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Eels Next Coach

Who will be Eels Next Coach

  • Hannay

    Votes: 30 29.4%
  • Hollbrook

    Votes: 12 11.8%
  • Ryles

    Votes: 33 32.4%
  • Morris

    Votes: 5 4.9%
  • Cheika

    Votes: 22 21.6%

  • Total voters
    102
  • Poll closed .

Poupou Escobar

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We all know that Bennett’s teams perform quite well while he’s there, though it’s no guarantee of a premiership or even a grand final appearance. But are merkins aware that Bennett’s recent teams all performed better in the three years before he arrived than the three years after he left?

In the three years before and after Bennett, his teams made the finals the following number of times:

Dragons: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Knights: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Broncos: 2/3 before, 1/3 after
Bunnies: 1/3 before, 0/1 after and not looking good for year two

Does any merkin think these numbers are explained by coincidence?
 

JokerEel

Coach
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We all know that Bennett’s teams perform quite well while he’s there, though it’s no guarantee of a premiership or even a grand final appearance. But are merkins aware that Bennett’s recent teams all performed better in the three years before he arrived than the three years after he left?

In the three years before and after Bennett, his teams made the finals the following number of times:

Dragons: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Knights: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Broncos: 2/3 before, 1/3 after
Bunnies: 1/3 before, 0/1 after and not looking good for year two

Does any merkin think these numbers are explained by coincidence?


Good stats I think everyone aware of the Benny Curse..

He has though made a GF with all those team Bar the Knights who were a basket case and Benny bounced early..
 

emjaycee

Coach
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We all know that Bennett’s teams perform quite well while he’s there, though it’s no guarantee of a premiership or even a grand final appearance. But are merkins aware that Bennett’s recent teams all performed better in the three years before he arrived than the three years after he left?

In the three years before and after Bennett, his teams made the finals the following number of times:

Dragons: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Knights: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Broncos: 2/3 before, 1/3 after
Bunnies: 1/3 before, 0/1 after and not looking good for year two

Does any merkin think these numbers are explained by coincidence?
Yep, I do.
 

T-Boon

Coach
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Bennett and Slater are not realistic, so no point talking unicorns and rainbows

I’m still adamant BA will be here in 2025 as the board won’t pay him out, but in the very off chance they grow balls, the options are

Trent Barrett
Dean Young
Justin Holbrook
Madge Maguire (but may not want to give up nsw)
Geoff Toovey
Walker Brothers
Garth Brennan
Ben Hornby
John Cartwright
Jason Taylor
Josh Hannay
Jim Dymock
Jason Riles
Ryan Carr
John Morris
Jason Demetriou (probably available)
That’s the horrific 12. Add Paul Langmack to round it out?
 

Twizzle

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We all know that Bennett’s teams perform quite well while he’s there, though it’s no guarantee of a premiership or even a grand final appearance. But are merkins aware that Bennett’s recent teams all performed better in the three years before he arrived than the three years after he left?

In the three years before and after Bennett, his teams made the finals the following number of times:

Dragons: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Knights: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Broncos: 2/3 before, 1/3 after
Bunnies: 1/3 before, 0/1 after and not looking good for year two

Does any merkin think these numbers are explained by coincidence?

Never been a fan of Benny, 14 years since he won anything which is longer than BA has been at Parra. With all the resources he had at the Broncos I reckon he shoud have done a lot better.

I do think his experience could be used elsewhere at Parra though. He's forgotten more than most coaches know.
 

Hindmarshisgod2

Juniors
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We all know that Bennett’s teams perform quite well while he’s there, though it’s no guarantee of a premiership or even a grand final appearance. But are merkins aware that Bennett’s recent teams all performed better in the three years before he arrived than the three years after he left?

In the three years before and after Bennett, his teams made the finals the following number of times:

Dragons: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Knights: 2/3 before, 0/3 after
Broncos: 2/3 before, 1/3 after
Bunnies: 1/3 before, 0/1 after and not looking good for year two

Does any merkin think these numbers are explained by coincidence?
It's like if your banging 5's and then you bang a few 10's, you can't go back to banging 5's and lose your motivation...
 

Poupou Escobar

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Never been a fan of Benny, 14 years since he won anything which is longer than BA has been at Parra. With all the resources he had at the Broncos I reckon he shoud have done a lot better.

I do think his experience could be used elsewhere at Parra though. He's forgotten more than most coaches know.
I thought he was overrated too until his success at the Dragons. He can obviously get a team to perform to its potential. But I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that he has left teams in worse shape than he found them, though he isn’t necessarily the cause. I don’t actually think it is his fault, I think the decline of solid finals teams after Bennett leaves (when they were already good before his arrival) is solid evidence of a premiership window closing, and one of his qualities seems to be the ability to sniff out a premiership window.

Some coach-focused amateur pundits might think it’s proof that a premiership window is caused by coaching, but I don’t think that’s true either. Plenty of coaches have won comps (or just made grand finals) and then hung around to watch the team decline. Premiership windows are caused by timing contracts in such a way as to maximise the amount of talent in a roster for a given two to four year period. The second order effect is that some underpaid players come off contract and leave, at the same time as other back ended contracts mature and hit full freight. This is what has likely happened to us. The good news is that it can take as little as a year in the bottom half of the comp before a team is competitive again. Is that us this year? Was it us last year? Were we just unlucky with injuries and suspensions and our premiership window actually ends next year? The answer is I don’t know either. But if our window is shut I don’t expect Bennett to want to be part of the rebuild.
 

emjaycee

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I thought he was overrated too until his success at the Dragons. He can obviously get a team to perform to its potential. But I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that he has left teams in worse shape than he found them, though he isn’t necessarily the cause. I don’t actually think it is his fault, I think the decline of solid finals teams after Bennett leaves (when they were already good before his arrival) is solid evidence of a premiership window closing, and one of his qualities seems to be the ability to sniff out a premiership window.

Some coach-focused amateur pundits might think it’s proof that a premiership window is caused by coaching, but I don’t think that’s true either. Plenty of coaches have won comps (or just made grand finals) and then hung around to watch the team decline. Premiership windows are caused by timing contracts in such a way as to maximise the amount of talent in a roster for a given two to four year period. The second order effect is that some underpaid players come off contract and leave, at the same time as other back ended contracts mature and hit full freight. This is what has likely happened to us. The good news is that it can take as little as a year in the bottom half of the comp before a team is competitive again. Is that us this year? Was it us last year? Were we just unlucky with injuries and suspensions and our premiership window actually ends next year? The answer is I don’t know either. But if our window is shut I don’t expect Bennett to want to be part of the rebuild.
How would someone external, such as Bennett determine whether the window is open, closing or already closed?
 

Poupou Escobar

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How would someone external, such as Bennett determine whether the window is open, closing or already closed?
I think he would look at the quality of the roster, and ask interested clubs how much room they have in the cap in each of the years they want him to coach.
 
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