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Hope the NRL decision comes out in time...
Hope the NRL decision comes out in time...
Sounds like more of a self diagnosis you've made there, bf. ;-)
In all seriousness did he broach the subject of mellor at all?
Thanks mate I'm watching the replay nowAdmittedly I was distracted but I didn't hear it. I did hear something about business being tough and pushing the family away.
Sorry to disturb the yawn fest from fitzy's main beerhunters on this forum.
Please, please continue the factional history lesson about the good old days when your mates were running the joint into the ground before some other merkins you will never forgive competed for the same right.
NRL salary cap doesn't fit any more, says former auditor Ian Schubert
June 15, 2016 - 5:29PM
Adrian Proszenko
He has spent more time than any other man policing it and is now charged with fixing the mess Parramatta made by allegedly trying to circumvent it. But Ian Schubert believes the salary cap needs to make way for a "fantasy league" style points system to prevent clubs from cheating the system.
Schubert was one of the most influential figures in the game while the NRL's salary cap auditor for 18 years, a post he left in 2013. The former Kangaroos representative, who oversaw the penalties imposed on Melbourne for systematic cheating, is again involved in the salary cap as a consultant to Parramatta, where he is attempting to clean up the financial mess at the club.
Schubert began pressure testing a points system alongside the cap in 2010 while cap auditor, with a view to rewarding loyalty and providing a more transparent means of equalising talent across the competition. Six years later, the former Roosters, Sea Eagles and Magpies utility believes it could be a better system than the controversial salary cap.
"As a personal project really, I have considered a points system for years and have run models over the NRL clubs and the actual figures, just looking at how an alternative might measure up," Schubert told the latest issue of Men Of League magazine. "Effectively it would be almost a real Fantasy League with a lot of variables covering injury, talent differentiation between same-level rep players, encouragement for clubs to be development rather than recruitment clubs etc. In principle, I see the value in it being considered. Its greatest benefit is transparency."
Schubert declined to add to those comments when contacted by Fairfax Media.:thumn
A five-man sub-committee of club CEOs was formed in 2010 to consider the original proposal. Two of those members, Canberra chief executive Don Furner and former Brisbane boss Bruno Cullen, are both still of the belief the points system has merit and warrants further investigation.
"It's the only system you can have that realistically can't be cheated," Furner said.
The salary cap in its current form has been in place since the NSWRL introduced it in 1990. However, it was initially brought in with a view to running it alongside a draft and the Parramatta scandal following on from the Melbourne and Canterbury cheating dramas has again raised questions over whether it is the best system for the modern game.
Brisbane has long been viewed as one of the most stacked rosters in the game. But under Schubert's trial valuation system in 2010, the Gold Coast were the side valued the highest. The Broncos came in at 16th spot, at $3,003,619 under a then-cap of $4.1 million. This was primarily because of discounts built into his matrix for players who had remained at one club for a significant time.
A points system is already in place in the local Canberra and Illawarra rugby league competitions. While there have been a variety of soft and hard cap systems used in American sports, the NRL would break new ground worldwide if it followed Schubert's proposal.
Former Cronulla chairman Damian Irvine has previously advocated a simpler cap system. Under his index, each club couldn't exceed 100 points for its top 25 players. Those yet to play first grade are worth two points, those with 0-50 games are worth three, and those with more than 50 NRL games were worth four. Representative players were worth five or six depending on the level they reached.
The NRL has already flagged the prospect of putting a cap on the total of third-party arrangements for each club, with the matter to be a priority for incoming head of football Brian Canavan.
Understand the rationale behind it and potentially it could work. However, I think it would probably just result in more things for players, coaches and fans to whinge about.
Yep there are nuffies who have played NSW origin for one game because of a brain snap by the coach. They would be allocated high points and could find themselves unemployable.
A points system usually comes with a salary cap as well. But other than that I tend to agree with tiered cap. Needs someone with more time on hands to figure out logistics of over cap tax being turned back to other clubs.Points system would be stupid.
It is an arbitrary decision on how many points a player is worth, as opposed to salaries determining how much they are worth.
The solution is a soft cap, luxury tax, unlimited TPAs with a tax on them as well which goes to clubs who historically are able to generate less revenue from that model.
A points system just becomes a win for the richest clubs. Who can throw the most money at the guys who are undervalued from a points point of view....
what about a points system for coaches? everyone talks about limiting players with the cap but players will always take unders to go to clubs with the best coaches how do we regulate that?
i think some clubs already do