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Elliott must go

Walt Flanigan

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skeepe said:
Walt Flanigan said:
Not when they sacked Coleman.

Well, you try putting in an untried coach and alleged comedian as head coach and see how far it gets you. Coleman was 2 years ago buddy, stop living in the past.

Better be careful, soon he'll compare us to Parramatta supporters. That'd really hurt.


Lessons are learned from the past. Sacking the coach now would take us from a trouble spot and into the dark ages again.
So if we did get a new coach and have the same result or worse......what then? Just keep going through coaches until it finally works........how long will that take?
 

Bay56

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Walt Flanigan said:
skeepe said:
Walt Flanigan said:
Not when they sacked Coleman.

Well, you try putting in an untried coach and alleged comedian as head coach and see how far it gets you. Coleman was 2 years ago buddy, stop living in the past.

Better be careful, soon he'll compare us to Parramatta supporters. That'd really hurt.


Lessons are learned from the past. Sacking the coach now would take us from a trouble spot and into the dark ages again.
So if we did get a new coach and have the same result or worse......what then? Just keep going through coaches until it finally works........how long will that take?

If management does their homework, should not take too long at all ... in fact I would give of my advice to them free of charge if they gave me a call.
 

skeepe

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Nope. If the next coach doesn't work I'm packing the team up and taking them back to the manufacturer. Just gotta find that damn warranty so I can buy a new one.... oh wait, I thought I was supporting the Roosters for a second :?
 

greeneyed

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Well Matthew Elliott reminds me more of Don Furner than any of our previous coaches. After going down by 40, Don would say: "Well I think we put in the effort, but the other team was on fire..." "Well we tried hard, I was happy that we put in such effort....." "Well there were some crucial points in the game where the ball didn't bounce our way, and the other team capitalised...." I am really waiting for tonight's edition. #-o #-o #-o
 

Walt Flanigan

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Bay56 said:
Walt Flanigan said:
Bay56 said:
Hey Walt .... whats your view on tonights game mate .. any comments or or you just here to try to give me a hard time.

Pot calling the kettle black champion.

good .... now answer the question Walter .. whats your view on the game pal .. I'd be inerested.

To put it simply, a lack of communication cost us time and time again in defence. Bugarelli cost us in attack. But I thought the high kicking game was a vast improvement on recent weeks. There also seem to be a distinct lack of leadership on the field.
 

Kris_man

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Walt Flanigan said:
I'm not quite ready to give the coach his marching orders. I think it's quite obviously the players attitude.
- Are you crazy?!?! Half the reason the coach is there, is to motviate the players! :roll: Gee, if the coach can't take responsibility, then who can?? Coaches are praised when they do well (eg, the Raiders last year, even though i didn't think we were that great), and they must also be responsible for failures.
 

skeepe

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I'm starting to form the opinion that the only thing that Elliott is good at is comedy and lovey-dovey "committment" sessions some place out in woop-woop before the start of the season. Come season time he hands the reigns over to Bozo the Clown.

You'll know I'm right if you see him in any joke shops around town buying face makeup... trust me...
 

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- Probably many will disagree here, but I like Daniel Anderson as a coach. The Warriors have proven to me that he wasn't the fault they went crap. The only thing that I'd be worried about is his Brian Smith connection. :?
 

Mickxpt

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all the canberrans running the teams and we have a english super league reject
stuart 1 - comp, sheens - 3 comps , bennett - 5 comps, hagan 1 compm, belamy
and we got elliott the most un imaginative guy in history, get some organisation and get rid of booggers i have a weekheart every time he gets near the ball
 

Mickxpt

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does any one remember who was the coach when elliott played his gf BRIAN SMITH who has lost more gf than anyone, canberras new moto get rid of em before they reach potential, coach or player
 
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I do not agree with calls to sack the coach, but my mum told me if I haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.....


So there you go Bay, no positive spin. But then again, logic can tell me that after last weeks effort against Manly, and then last night, that would be two negatives. Two negatives make a positive right? :lol:

At least booger wont be able to ruin a finals campaign this year.
 

Kris_man

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i'm not gonna say that elliott should go, but i will say that he's been giving me the s**ts ever since he came to canberra. even last year, we were so boring to watch. elliott continues to pick boring, "defensive" players over guys who can do something with the ball. it's driving me f***ing bananas. like someone said on another post, the raiders game used to be among the highlights of my week. since elliott, i still eagerly anticipate the game every week, but am often bitterly disappointed. even when we win, we get these crap boring wins. we've only scored 30+ points 4 times this season, and on each occasion the opposition scored 20+.

i'm a big fan of playing rugby league the way it's meant to be played, and if that sounds stupid to anyone, well, wayne bennett said the same thing. it means enjoying your football, not just playing to win. it means scoring tries. rugby league, at its core, is about scoring tries, and stopping the opposition from scoring. elliott makes it so complicated, like, the forwards have to "lay a platform" and we have to "get our attitude right" or whatever. its like we have to be buddhist monks just to win a football game! if i was a coach i'd keep it simple - the best two attributes a player can have in rugby league is speed and size. and there is an argument that you shouldn't play exciting football (and by exciting, i mean not always going for penalty goals, passing the ball out) at the expense of losing your games. well, i think that when you play confident, and you enjoy your footy, and most of all, when you make your number one priority to score tries, then you've automatically given yourself a much better chance of winning. what do penalty goals say about a team's attitude?? it says 1) that you're not confident of scoring, and more importantly 2) that you don't want to play football. instead of going for the win, you're keeping at bay the loss.

just about all the enjoyment i've got watching the raiders over the last couple of seasons has been from either phil graham or mark mclinden (and before anyone bites my freaking head off, i am exagerrating when i say that). and what does elliott do? he drops graham for most of 2003. i still haven't forgiven him for that.

and these penalty goals we always go for at every chance :roll:. I vehemently criticise rugby union for their constant attempts at penalty goals, yet my league team, the Raiders, is exactly the same! what happened to the Raiders as an attacking specialist team? they are long gone. we deserve the criticism we get for being boring, as far as i'm concerned.

people say that 2003 was a great year for the raiders. i disagree. im not saying it was crap, in fact it was quite good, but i dont think it was great. i think for one thing, we would have been lower down the ladder if we had had more representative selections. two, i think to lose your last 3 games, two of them being finals, is very disappointing. i know toots was out, but it's really no excuse. i've always believed that "alls well that ends well", and 03 did not end well. third, we were extremely boring to watch, apart from some exceptional games, obviously manly and cronulla spring to mind.
 

Bay56

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Kris Man ... I also agree with your summation of the Raiders and Elliot (almost to the letter).

I especially agree with your last paragraph. Yes we had a successful 2003 but IMO it was based on G&D rather than skillful RL. This was always going to come back and bite us in the arse ... and it has this season and will the next and the next and the next until we get a coach who can coach an attacking sytle of RL and secondly give this club the respect that it deserves thereby attracting players to the club.

This will ofcourse receive the usual reply from those with a more optimistic outlook on the club's prospects .. the so called "posos" ... "you nego", "you're not a real supporter" blah blah blah.

As I have said before I dont give a sh!t what I am referred to. IMO the realistic outlook is that this club will struggle until the root causes of the problem are removed and/or rectified. The sooner this happens the sooner we will reach the heights we were used to in the 80's and 90's. My realistic time frame would indicate that the earliest this will happen is 2009.

I for one cant wait for the days when I go to Bruce stadium with 19,999 other supporters to watch the team beat the arse of the Roosters.
 

Walt Flanigan

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Bay56 said:
This will ofcourse receive the usual reply from those with a more optimistic outlook on the club's prospects .. the so called "posos" ... "you nego", "you're not a real supporter" blah blah blah.


That's right.... :blahb:
 

Bay56

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Walt Flanigan said:
Bay56 said:
This will ofcourse receive the usual reply from those with a more optimistic outlook on the club's prospects .. the so called "posos" ... "you nego", "you're not a real supporter" blah blah blah.


That's right.... :blahb:

Now why does it not surprise me that Walter would be the first "poso" to comment ... true to form Walter .... maybe you should care more for your club rather than Elliot or your own enormous ego. Some constructive comments to back up your arguments would also be helpful rather than the usual one liners that mean sweat fa.
 

Walt Flanigan

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You crack me up Bay, your the king of one liners that mean "sweet" FA. If you want a fresh argument from one of your posts, then stop recycling the same old crap you go on and on with. As for questioning my loyalty to this club, why would I stick up for Elliott if I didn't care? Why don't you just see out the season before demand a massive turn over within the club.
 

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