England v Samoa 2024 series

[Mother Nature's Son]

Who’s staying up for this ?

I’m going to try but that’s way past my bedtime

Yeah my son and I watched it, Pommy ref seemed to be coming down hard on Samoa for things that the Poms` were doing all game, hate conspiracy stuff but England really can`t afford to lose this.
Samoan forwards looked buggered after a strong start as well, particularly May who was walking his hit-ups after about 30 mins. flight trip prob taking its` toll.
Samoans get their act together England def beatable, I`d say Samoa with Crichton, To`o et. al. would have them on toast down under.

 

[RedVee]

That's what I'm referring too. I heard about kangaroos going over there next year, earlier this month. Never heard about about England coming here.

Sorry got the wrong end of the stick.

but yes, previously it was planned that England would come to Oz. But that seemingly has evaporated.

 

[Last Week]

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It was definitely supposed to be England touring Australia. Which is just an absurdly selfish decision by the NRL as it would mean that the only tests that the English would have hosted is Tonga and Samoa. Hardly big draws in terms of interest and crowds.

On the other hand, Australia get to host NZ, Samoa, Tonga and England (with the loyal English fans who travel) before hosting a world cup, which will again feature travelling English fans. Australia should go to England next year. The poms deserve it.

Anyway.

The tour essentially makes the relegation game of the Pacific Championships moot as even if Tonga or NZ lose, they'll just take Australia's spot.

Another example of poor planning by the NRL.

 

[jim_57]

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It was definitely supposed to be England touring Australia. Which is just an absurdly selfish decision by the NRL as it would mean that the only tests that the English would have hosted is Tonga and Samoa. Hardly big draws in terms of interest and crowds.

On the other hand, Australia get to host NZ, Samoa, Tonga and England (with the loyal English fans who travel) before hosting a world cup, which will again feature travelling English fans. Australia should go to England next year. The poms deserve it.

Anyway.

The tour essentially makes the relegation game of the Pacific Championships moot as even if Tonga or NZ lose, they'll just take Australia's spot.

Another example of poor planning by the NRL.

Samoa will fill Australia’s spot, so if PNG win the relegation game they should get a spot. Organisers would hate that though, I’m sure they’re banking on a NZ/Tonga/Samoa tri-series.

 

[Last Week]

Samoa will fill Australia’s spot, so if PNG win the relegation game they should get a spot. Organisers would hate that though, I’m sure they’re banking on a NZ/Tonga/Samoa tri-series.

My bad. Bad math.

But could you imagine if NZ are the ones relegated?

A Pacific Cup of Cook Islands, Tonga and Samoa and a bowl of NZ, Fiji and PNG?

I hope it happens just to see the NRL panic.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

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The tour essentially makes the relegation game of the Pacific Championships moot as even if Tonga or NZ lose, they'll just take Australia's spot.

Another example of poor planning by the NRL.

If Tonga lost to PNG in the relegation match, it will be NZ, Samoa and PNG in the cup next year.

 

[jim_57]

My bad. Bad math.

But could you imagine if NZ are the ones relegated?

A Pacific Cup of Cook Islands, Tonga and Samoa and a bowl of NZ, Fiji and PNG?

I hope it happens just to see the NRL panic.

Yeh if NZ or maybe even Tonga did get relegated I could see it being conveniently forgotten or there being a “structure change”.

Fair chance they’d just make it 2 pools of 3 with a final for one year at that point.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Yeh if NZ or maybe even Tonga did get relegated I could see it being conveniently forgotten or there being a “structure change”.

Fair chance they’d just make it 2 pools of 3 with a final for one year at that point.

Maybe if Tonga or NZ go down it might force a much needed expansion of the cup to four teams

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I know it hasn't materialised, but there is a flaw in the three-team pool. Let's say NZ beat the Kangaroos yesterday by 6 points for example. NZ and Tonga both head into week 3 knowing that a win by Tonga by 5 points or less will put both of them through to the final and leave the Kangaroos in last place.

I know the teams probably won't deliberately exploit the situation, but it would be tempting and is a glaring hole that is unnecessary and having four teams would solve.

Cup this year (based on last year's results) should have been Aus, NZ, Tonga, PNG with Fiji & Cook Islands playing a three game test series to earn a spot in the promotion relegation game.

Let's say that PNG finishes last and beats PNG in the P&R game, next year you'd have NZ, Tonga, Samoa & PNG with again Fiji and the Cooks to battle it out for the right to go up to the Cup. Seems like a better setup than a bye each week and still over in 4 weeks total.

The bonus is that you then have four games' worth of content each weekend plus womens.

This is what I'd want to see schedule-wise next year:

Week 1
Test
Australia v France

Pacific Championships - Cup
Samoa v Tonga
NZ v PNG

Pacific Championships - Bowl
Fiji v Cook Islands 1st Test

Week 2
Ashes
England v Australia 1st Test

Pacific Championships - Cup
Samoa v NZ
Tonga v PNG

Pacific Championships - Bowl
Fiji v Cook Islands 2nd Test

Week 3
Ashes
England v Australia 2nd Test

Pacific Championships - Cup
Tonga v NZ
PNG v Samoa

Pacific Championships - Bowl
Fiji v Cook Islands 3rd Test

Week 4
Ashes
England v Australia 3rd Test

Pacific Championships Final
NZ v Samoa - Cup Final
PNG v Fiji (Promotion Relegation Match)

 

[jim_57]

Maybe if Tonga or NZ go down it might force a much needed expansion of the cup to four teams

Yehp that’d be the common sense approach, should be 4 teams regardless.

Leaves Fiji high and dry for competitive games in the Bowl but could have them play a warm up or 2 Vs a Cup team and/or Lebanon to fill their schedule, plus a promotion game assuming the beat Cook Islands.

 

[jim_57]

I know it hasn't materialised, but there is a flaw in the three-team pool. Let's say NZ beat the Kangaroos yesterday by 6 points for example. NZ and Tonga both head into week 3 knowing that a win by Tonga by 5 points or less will put both of them through to the final and leave the Kangaroos in last place.

I know the teams probably won't deliberately exploit the situation, but it would be tempting and is a glaring hole that is unnecessary and having four teams would solve.

Cup this year (based on last year's results) should have been Aus, NZ, Tonga, PNG with Fiji & Cook Islands playing a three game test series to earn a spot in the promotion relegation game.

Let's say that PNG finishes last and beats PNG in the P&R game, next year you'd have NZ, Tonga, Samoa & PNG with again Fiji and the Cooks to battle it out for the right to go up to the Cup. Seems like a better setup than a bye each week and still over in 4 weeks total.

The bonus is that you then have four games' worth of content each weekend plus womens.

This is what I'd want to see schedule-wise next year:

Week 1
Test
Australia v France

Pacific Championships - Cup
Samoa v Tonga
NZ v PNG

Pacific Championships - Bowl
Fiji v Cook Islands 1st Test

Week 2
Ashes
England v Australia 1st Test

Pacific Championships - Cup
Samoa v NZ
Tonga v PNG

Pacific Championships - Bowl
Fiji v Cook Islands 2nd Test

Week 3
Ashes
England v Australia 2nd Test

Pacific Championships - Cup
Tonga v NZ
PNG v Samoa

Pacific Championships - Bowl
Fiji v Cook Islands 3rd Test

Week 4
Ashes
England v Australia 3rd Test

Pacific Championships Final
NZ v Samoa - Cup Final
PNG v Fiji (Promotion Relegation Match)

Only thing I’d add in an ideal world would be a week of warm ups so we can get an Australia V NZ test in, should be one a year at least.

Australia V NZ
England V France
Tonga V Lebanon
Samoa V Cook Islands
PNG V Fiji

Wishful thinking, I know.

 

[mxlegend99]

Yeah my son and I watched it, Pommy ref seemed to be coming down hard on Samoa for things that the Poms` were doing all game, hate conspiracy stuff but England really can`t afford to lose this.
Samoan forwards looked buggered after a strong start as well, particularly May who was walking his hit-ups after about 30 mins. flight trip prob taking its` toll.
Samoans get their act together England def beatable, I`d say Samoa with Crichton, To`o et. al. would have them on toast down under.

10-1 count towards the poms by a pommy ref is just absurd. They dont even try to hide the bias from their referees and officials. Why do teams bother playing in England with their officials? Its never a fair match.

Australia vs New Zealand had an Aussie referee. But the calls were atleast even and he had no problem giving New Zealand a leg up for an extended period of time. Klein is shit IMO. But I would back him over a pommy referee still.

 

[yakstorm]

Yehp that’d be the common sense approach, should be 4 teams regardless.

Leaves Fiji high and dry for competitive games in the Bowl but could have them play a warm up or 2 Vs a Cup team and/or Lebanon to fill their schedule, plus a promotion game assuming the beat Cook Islands.

Cook Islands will be playing in the World Series next year, so are unlikely to be around for the Pacific Bowl.

 

[Matt_CBY]

My bad. Bad math.

But could you imagine if NZ are the ones relegated?

A Pacific Cup of Cook Islands, Tonga and Samoa and a bowl of NZ, Fiji and PNG?

I hope it happens just to see the NRL panic.

No offense but I would very surprised if the Cook Islands beat Fiji or PNG let alone both in the same year.

 

[Last Week]

No offense but I would very surprised if the Cook Islands beat Fiji or PNG let alone both in the same year.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Perth Red]

Comfortable win, score flattered samoa. They looked slow and the constant laying on at play the ball was lucky not to get a sinbin. Second game will be Interesting to see if they can lift their game.

 

[Matt_CBY]

Thanks for sharing.

Okay wank

 

[Matt_CBY]

Comfortable win, score flattered samoa. They looked slow and the constant laying on at play the ball was lucky not to get a sinbin. Second game will be Interesting to see if they can lift their game.

Do you read anyone else’s take or just live in fairy land like you do with expansion?

I haven’t felt the need to repeat what others have said in here. But it Took Samoa 50 minutes to understand what the referee was doing and that he wasn’t up to standard. That what you get when you don’t have a fulltime referees I guess.

most biased refereeing performance since Barry Gomersall.

 

[Matt_CBY]

I do believe Samoa got their line-up wrong and got their interchanges wrong. Gordon need more game time over Jazz, Samoa looked better with Gordon on the field. Anthony is passed it and Blaise should be given the opportunity at 6. Bring Keenan back onto the bench.

 

[mxlegend99]

Comfortable win, score flattered samoa. They looked slow and the constant laying on at play the ball was lucky not to get a sinbin. Second game will be Interesting to see if they can lift their game.

Stats show that England had a faster play the ball than Samoa.


England 3.57 second - receiving 6 penalties and 4 set restarts
Samoa 3.65 seconds - receiving 1 penalty and no set restarts

England should have been penalised a bunch more times with penalties or set restarts. cant only officiate one team