Financial fragility of the game

[betcats]

Not sure how talk of expansion could still have any momentum when many of the current clubs and to an extent, the NRL, are run so poorly.

Given the current state of the world I’d say expansion is now just a pipe dream for the foreseeable future. Relocation might happen though.

 

[Exsilium]

Given the current state of the world I’d say expansion is now just a pipe dream for the foreseeable future. Relocation might happen though.

Relocation, sure.

I understand there is a desire for new and shiny things but the NRL has a high success rate of failure when it comes to due diligence and calculated decision making.

 

[betcats]

Relocation, sure.

I understand there is a desire for new and shiny things but the NRL has a high success rate of failure when it comes to due diligence and calculated decision making.

I agree. Expansion for expansions sake isn’t a good idea we clearly can’t afford it and I think there is a fair chance it dilutes the talent pool which will lower the quality of the product. The game isn’t in a position to expand even pre-covid.

 

[franklin2323]

Given the current state of the world I’d say expansion is now just a pipe dream for the foreseeable future. Relocation might happen though.

Ensuring comps don’t go backwards is the goal for the next 5-10 years

 

[Cactus]

Im not trying to answer that question .

Yes I know. Was kinda my point

 

[Desert Qlder]

There is some nice astroturfing going on for the new V'Landys tenure.

Blame for any failings, will always lie with previous executives and Coronavirus.

Modern management 101 - take all responsibility for any positives and no accountability for any negatives.

 

[Cactus]

thanks for the advice, Peter.

I think his real name is Hugh

 

[The Great Dane]

I agree. Expansion for expansions sake isn’t a good idea we clearly can’t afford it and I think there is a fair chance it dilutes the talent pool which will lower the quality of the product. The game isn’t in a position to expand even pre-covid.

You are making two bad assumptions.

Firstly that it will be nessacry for the NRL to spend a lot of money on expansion, which isn't necessarily true, and secondly that you have to expand the number of teams in the competition to expand the competition.

 

[betcats]

I think his real name is Hugh

Hugh Hefner

 

[betcats]

You are making two bad assumptions.

Firstly that it will be nessacry for the NRL to spend a lot of money on expansion, which isn't necessarily true, and secondly that you have to expand the number of teams in the competition to expand the competition.

If you mean relocation I wouldn’t consider that expansion.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

There is some nice astroturfing going on for the new V'Landys tenure.

Blame for any failings, will always lie with previous executives and Coronavirus.

Modern management 101 - take all responsibility for any positives and no accountability for any negatives.

Lets not forget that V’landys has been a commissioner for 2 years, since March 2018.

 

[Perth Red]

The trick to growing the games footprint is to cap the clubs expenditure with a hard total cap that reflects the real revenue raising ability of the majority of clubs. This does two things, allows you to bring in clubs with a good amount of certainty they aren’t going to spend themselves into oblivion and two makes them very attractive prospects for investors. Your are then only limited in your expansion by player depth and how many investors you can attract. But that would mean clubs having to do what’s best for the game and the nrl actually controlling its destiny. Neither of which is going to happen.

 

[Perth Red]

Lets not forget that V’landys has been a commissioner for 2 years, since March 2018.

yep he is just as responsible as anyone for the signing off on budgets and financial strategies over the last two years. Bit rich of him to now be complaining about nrl spending!

 

[Cactus]

I think his real name is Hugh

We here in footy land could really use some of those funds from your estate right about now Hugh.

By the way, just while we are catching up......how are the girls ?

 

[Chief_Chujo]

The FTA $ was always going to drop with people moving to new platforms for content. I'm more interested in what happens with the streaming rights. Foxtel revenues were down and they're losing subs, but numbers on Kayo and Fox Now were going up. News will try to lock up streaming rights long term. Hopefully those in charge aren't stupid enough to sign them over for nothing.

 

[Silent Knight]

The FTA $ was always going to drop with people moving to new platforms for content. I'm more interested in what happens with the streaming rights. Foxtel revenues were down and they're losing subs, but numbers on Kayo and Fox Now were going up. News will try to lock up streaming rights long term. Hopefully those in charge aren't stupid enough to sign them over for nothing.

ESPN need an invite to the party.

 

[franklin2323]

ESPN need an invite to the party.

ESPN doesn’t produce much actual content though.

 

[franklin2323]

The FTA $ was always going to drop with people moving to new platforms for content. I'm more interested in what happens with the streaming rights. Foxtel revenues were down and they're losing subs, but numbers on Kayo and Fox Now were going up. News will try to lock up streaming rights long term. Hopefully those in charge aren't stupid enough to sign them over for nothing.

Which is why I am waiting for the details before I comment on a good deal or bad deal.

Less FTA games will be bad and Fox not getting less games so hence paying less

 

[Perth Red]

ESPN doesn’t produce much actual content though.

nrl should produce its own content and have its own streaming service then on sell to ESPN and break up the fta parts. Ch9 2 games, ch10 1 game and origin. Master of our own destiny

 

[The Great Dane]

If you mean relocation I wouldn’t consider that expansion.

Relocation is only one of many ways you can go about it, but yeah I meant replacing current clubs.

Whether you accept it or not, it can be a form a expansion.