Flanno's New Signings

[BlackDuckSaint]

WTF are you talking about?

How do you possibly derive that I’m worried about him succeeding?

I unlike you believe he has things to achieve before he gets an extension.

If he achieves them no issue if not then we need to take another look during his 3rd year

if you are so convinced he is the one then why aren’t you pushing for a 5 year , 10 year or life time contract extension?

When we 1st signed Mc Fookknuckle did you want him to succeed?

When we 1st signed Hook did you want him to succeed?

When they didn’t succeed after getting extensions and we ultimately had to terminate them and pay them out do you think we should have waited until they had achieved something more substantive before extending them?

No need to jump to conclusions. I haven't posted or in anyway indicated whether I want Flanno to be re-signed now or in the future.

I spend most of my time reading this forum and only post occasionally. Mainly because I'm a nobody who's opinion doesn't hold any weight.

But I have been reading you drone on and on with negativity across about three different threads.

What you say might not necessarily be wrong and being conservative with re-signing Flanno after the three previous coaches might be the best course of action. But it could also cost us a really good coach. Coaches don't have a Nov 1 deadline and Flanno could sign a contract for 27' now if he wanted. Not that I think he would or that any clubs are looking to do that.

What I'm sick of is your clear biases against Flanno but hiding behind hearsay without acknowledging what has been a clear improvement of the entire organisation.

Flanno has his fingerprints over everything. Particularly not paying for players to play for other clubs, refusing to pay overs or pay players for longer than they are worth. It may have cost us a couple but it ensures our cap is balanced in the long run.

Look at the tigers. Looking to pay Bateman $350k to play for the rabbits. $300k for Sullivan to play for anyone else.

Over $1m a season for Luai who is still relatively unknown as a halfback and he has strange get out clauses. Same with Bula.

While it looks like they have signed whoever they have wanted, to me it looks like desperation.

So don't 'WTF' am I talk about or try and claim I am this and that way about re-signing Flannagan. I'm a nobody, I like to talk about the juniors and performances.

Just lighten the F up.

 

[Old Timer]

"codswallop"! Forsooth, I am chastised!

A GF appearance in 2027-28? Alright, that would be great. Perhaps you could name your teams for those years. And that should include the names of the players who will be promoted or recruited to replace those who will be moving on. And if the 2027-2028 team is substantially the same as what we have now (plus a magical half and prop), then surely you must think that SF is a master recruiter and coach. I did not know that you thought that.

But - and this is more relevant to my post - what happens if Flanno's magic wand does not get us a 2027 GF? Then who is replacing Cook (gone end 2026), and Gutho, Val (gone end 2027)? Who is replacing JDB, Eisenhuth, Lawrie, Rava in 2025 and 2026...whatever your opinion of them?

But I am asking the impossible, aren't I? Bcs you can't know the answer to that.

And that is my point, not whether I am specifically right or wrong in picking a GF year, but in identifying the team development issues that will lead us to a GF.

This is an example of something that is sometimes called "conversation" and it involves a polite exchange of views. You might try it some time.

You don’t mind dishing a bit out so don’t start whinging when you cop a bit back.

All I can see from what you are saying is keep S F he’s the one but have a few excuses ready just in case and give him the same time or more that we gave the great Mc Fookknuckle.

I fully expect him to manage the roster professionally and fill the holes as necessary all the while complementing that he has already and what he has coming through.

That his job and hopefully he does it well but you seem to doubt he can but obviously you think some other coaches will do better despite them facing the same issues as we do re what their rosters will look like and you think I’m negative fmd.

We have a plethora of young forwards coming through including some giants with speed, footwork and skill but you seem to doubt them or the coach and think they’ll take 5 years or more. Someone forgot to tell Ivan that as he embarked on his 2nd year back at the Panther's.

With your philosophy I’d expect that those exciting young players we have will be in different colours already playing for higher honours.

 

[Jubilee]

You don’t mind dishing a bit out so don’t start whinging when you cop a bit back.

All I can see from what you are saying is keep S F he’s the one but have a few excuses ready just in case and give him the same time or more that we gave the great Mc Fookknuckle.

I fully expect him to manage the roster professionally and fill the holes as necessary all the while complementing that he has already and what he has coming through.

That his job and hopefully he does it well but you seem to doubt he can but obviously you think some other coaches will do better despite them facing the same issues as we do re what their rosters will look like and you think I’m negative fmd.

We have a plethora of young forwards coming through including some giants with speed, footwork and skill but you seem to doubt them or the coach and think they’ll take 5 years or more. Someone forgot to tell Ivan that as he embarked on his 2nd year back at the Panther's.

With your philosophy I’d expect that those exciting young players we have will be in different colours already playing for higher honours.

I give up on you.

 

[Old Timer]

I give up on you.

Ok who do you think plays the GF in 28 - 29 seeing you don’t rate us a chance?

 

[Old Timer]

Don't fall off your chair Old Timer but I agree with you.
Top front rower and halfback.
It's not going to happens but it would be good if we got a front rower like Leota from Penrith.

That type of signing is what separates the best coaches & systems from the all so rans.

Bennett worked it out how to combine local talent with the right set of hardheads and flamboyance evidently according to some S F cant do that anytime soon and needs years to achieve anything similar yet he’s a good coach that should be signed long term.

We had a great crop of backs in 2009 and we added some forwards to get the job done so by 2027 / 8 I expect us to have the bulk of the forwards and we will need to add a few backs to again get the job done.

 

[Hound of Dracula]

That type of signing is what separates the best coaches & systems from the all so rans.

Bennett worked it out how to combine local talent with the right set of hardheads and flamboyance evidently according to some S F cant do that anytime soon and needs years to achieve anything similar yet he’s a good coach that should be signed long term.

We had a great crop of backs in 2009 and we added some forwards to get the job done so by 2027 / 8 I expect us to have the bulk of the forwards and we will need to add a few backs to again get the job done.

Yes, Bennet did do in 2010 but has been unable to repeat since, though he came very close with Souths. It's nowhere near as simple as just 'adding' the right recruits.

Despite claiming objectivity, you still come across as the 'self appointed' identifier of any Flanno stain as a case against him, even if just player picks you disagree with.

20/20 hindsight regarding Price, Mary and Hook is all well and good but none had won a premiership and none have held the reins quite like Flanno

You may even be correct.

But after 13 years of the club degrading, people laughing when you say you're a Dragons supporter, other team's top players sneering at us and being the butt of media jokes, surely you can appreciate supporters wanting to back a proven premiership winner, who clearly loves the Dragons, to deliver us from the NRL shadows.

The idea of just 'moving on' if he doesn't meet your KPI's is honestly frightening - Who Else?

 

[justadragon]

Well you must be an imbecile Maestro because for starters if you read my posts properly you would have seen that I congratulated him on the signing of Atkinson but was concerned that it wasn’t kept under wraps till after the cooling off period.
With regards to the other players which clubs were after them.?Please let me know, cause without letting out too much I can let you know facts.
With regards to Flano, apart from the peptide crap I don’t dislike him.
BUT
The whole Hunt fiasco when he joined us was clear his decision making process was extremely flawed.
It took him a year too realise he f**ked up by keeping an overpaid player who didn’t want to be here and then it was well publicised that he took Deano with him to tell Hunt the truths about his game.
You and others , NOW want to credit him for getting rid of Hunt.
Are you kidding yourselves.That was a huge f*** up from Flano.
I say thank you Deano for finally fixing the situation
Hurt should give Flano half his salary as a reward for making him stay and earn money for non performance but for our club it was a disastrous decision
As per our performance we finished behind Hooks 2022 efforts and we all know what we thought of Hook.
NOW I’m prepared to wait out and see if we make the top 6 as a minimum for 2025 and if we do as I said many times before he should be given an extension
Failing that we should move on if there are better options at the time
I don’t know what your issue is mate against this view.

I really dont know how you can make a statement on what was said and by who and when, without actually being there.

 

[Old Timer]

Yes, Bennet did do in 2010 but has been unable to repeat since, though he came very close with Souths. It's nowhere near as simple as just 'adding' the right recruits.

Despite claiming objectivity, you still come across as the 'self appointed' identifier of any Flanno stain as a case against him, even if just player picks you disagree with.

20/20 hindsight regarding Price, Mary and Hook is all well and good but none had won a premiership and none have held the reins quite like Flanno

You may even be correct.

But after 13 years of the club degrading, people laughing when you say you're a Dragons supporter, other team's top players sneering at us and being the butt of media jokes, surely you can appreciate supporters wanting to back a proven premiership winner, who clearly loves the Dragons, to deliver us from the NRL shadows.

The idea of just 'moving on' if he doesn't meet your KPI's is honestly frightening - Who Else?

Not sure how you come to some of those conclusions but so be it.

I’m no great fan of S F but am advocating he gets his shot without him being compromised.

I am also saying he should be judged by his results and no need to rush any extension.

I also saying that if he succeeds he should be extended.

I am also saying that if he isn’t willing to be patient and decides to split early then he is the Mekin of all Merkins.

I am also saying that I’m happy signing our new big 4 for 2025 however I don’t subscribe to the theory that their signing means the commute issue doesn’t exist anymore or that we are now seen as a “preferred club”

I am also saying that I believe we came up short last year and I firmly believe S F thinks that as well and have applauded him for that.

If that is somehow shitcanning him or putting a stain against him then watch out if I actually decide to criticise him.

I’m just not a zealot like others and don’t believe that we need to do anything further other than let him do his f**king job and then make a decision.

If you want to stick your hand in the monkey trap then remember you have to break the glass to get it out again.

 

[Mojo]

Not sure how you come to some of those conclusions but so be it.

I’m no great fan of S F but am advocating he gets his shot without him being compromised.

I am also saying he should be judged by his results and no need to rush any extension.

I also saying that if he succeeds he should be extended.

I am also saying that if he isn’t willing to be patient and decides to split early then he is the Mekin of all Merkins.

I am also saying that I’m happy signing our new big 4 for 2025 however I don’t subscribe to the theory that their signing means the commute issue doesn’t exist anymore or that we are now seen as a “preferred club”

I am also saying that I believe we came up short last year and I firmly believe S F thinks that as well and have applauded him for that.

If that is somehow shitcanning him or putting a stain against him then watch out if I actually decide to criticise him.

I’m just not a zealot like others and don’t believe that we need to do anything further other than let him do his f**king job and then make a decision.

If you want to stick your hand in the monkey trap then remember you have to break the glass to get it out again.

Ok, but what exactly are you saying?

 

[NRLMad]

Each player that he signs will add more weight to others coming on board. He’s done a good job recruiting the team for 2026. Wish Atkinson could come a year earlier, maybe we could give them Rava - haha

 

[Hound of Dracula]

Not sure how you come to some of those conclusions but so be it.

I’m no great fan of S F but am advocating he gets his shot without him being compromised.

I am also saying he should be judged by his results and no need to rush any extension.

I also saying that if he succeeds he should be extended.

I am also saying that if he isn’t willing to be patient and decides to split early then he is the Mekin of all Merkins.

I am also saying that I’m happy signing our new big 4 for 2025 however I don’t subscribe to the theory that their signing means the commute issue doesn’t exist anymore or that we are now seen as a “preferred club”

I am also saying that I believe we came up short last year and I firmly believe S F thinks that as well and have applauded him for that.

If that is somehow shitcanning him or putting a stain against him then watch out if I actually decide to criticise him.

I’m just not a zealot like others and don’t believe that we need to do anything further other than let him do his f**king job and then make a decision.

If you want to stick your hand in the monkey trap then remember you have to break the glass to get it out again.

I’m no great fan of S F

And there it is!

 

[justadragon]

Not sure how you come to some of those conclusions but so be it.

I’m no great fan of S F but am advocating he gets his shot without him being compromised.

I am also saying he should be judged by his results and no need to rush any extension.

I also saying that if he succeeds he should be extended.

I am also saying that if he isn’t willing to be patient and decides to split early then he is the Mekin of all Merkins.

I am also saying that I’m happy signing our new big 4 for 2025 however I don’t subscribe to the theory that their signing means the commute issue doesn’t exist anymore or that we are now seen as a “preferred club”

I am also saying that I believe we came up short last year and I firmly believe S F thinks that as well and have applauded him for that.

If that is somehow shitcanning him or putting a stain against him then watch out if I actually decide to criticise him.

I’m just not a zealot like others and don’t believe that we need to do anything further other than let him do his f**king job and then make a decision.

If you want to stick your hand in the monkey trap then remember you have to break the glass to get it out again.

Agree with mostly what you say OT but I wont accept the commute excuse, its just a BS card the player or manager bring out when they want more money and my thoughts are you get paid well enough to be all in. As has been proven by Gutho if you are all in then you are all in. Just in a recent quote from Ilias said he liked car pooling with Cook and Sele

 

[Jubilee]

Each player that he signs will add more weight to others coming on board. He’s done a good job recruiting the team for 2026. Wish Atkinson could come a year earlier, maybe we could give them Rava - haha

People use the phrase "in a premiership window" but what do they mean by that? I think it refers to having a team of players who are peaking together. Apparently it doesn't necessarily mean having a team of stars. Matt Prior? Gerald Beale? Ricky Leutele? 2016 sharks was not a team of immortals.

And they were not a stable team of guys who had been together for years and years, either. Prior joined them in 2014. Same for Barba. Same for Ennis.

When you analyse it, Flanno's 2016 premiership was in some ways really remarkable. How did he do it?

 

[Dragon David]

People use the phrase "in a premiership window" but what do they mean by that? I think it refers to having a team of players who are peaking together. Apparently it doesn't necessarily mean having a team of stars. Matt Prior? Gerald Beale? Ricky Leutele? 2016 sharks was not a team of immortals.

And they were not a stable team of guys who had been together for years and years, either. Prior joined them in 2014. Same for Barba. Same for Ennis.

When you analyse it, Flanno's 2016 premiership was in some ways really remarkable. How did he do it?

He had good leaders and players playing as a team and for each other and wanting to win. He got the players to commit themselves for the full game and in the end they came away with a remarkable and unexpected win.

 

[Jubilee]

He had good leaders and players playing as a team and for each other and wanting to win. He got the players to commit themselves for the full game and in the end they came away with a remarkable and unexpected win.

Well, that sounds promising.

 

[maestro1]

Well you must be an imbecile Maestro because for starters if you read my posts properly you would have seen that I congratulated him on the signing of Atkinson but was concerned that it wasn’t kept under wraps till after the cooling off period.
With regards to the other players which clubs were after them.?Please let me know, cause without letting out too much I can let you know facts.
With regards to Flano, apart from the peptide crap I don’t dislike him.
BUT
The whole Hunt fiasco when he joined us was clear his decision making process was extremely flawed.
It took him a year too realise he f**ked up by keeping an overpaid player who didn’t want to be here and then it was well publicised that he took Deano with him to tell Hunt the truths about his game.
You and others , NOW want to credit him for getting rid of Hunt.
Are you kidding yourselves.That was a huge f*** up from Flano.
I say thank you Deano for finally fixing the situation
Hurt should give Flano half his salary as a reward for making him stay and earn money for non performance but for our club it was a disastrous decision
As per our performance we finished behind Hooks 2022 efforts and we all know what we thought of Hook.
NOW I’m prepared to wait out and see if we make the top 6 as a minimum for 2025 and if we do as I said many times before he should be given an extension
Failing that we should move on if there are better options at the time
I don’t know what your issue is mate against this view.

The only imbecile here is the one trying to imply he is connected with "facts".
Yes....once again, you focused on the negative of the Atkinson signing. Trying to make it look like Flanno fxcked up, instead of focusing on the positive of an extremely good signing.

Now out of the 6+ cracking signings that Flanno made (Val, Cookie, Gutho, Lawson, Ilias and Atkinson + maybe a middle), the best you could muster was " I congratulated him on the signing of Atkinson". That was mighty big of you. That's it. Really. You couldn't find even a second good thing to say about Flanno. Nothing in the other 5 or 6 signings got you even a little bit excited? And that is what you are using to show that you have been fair to Flanno. It's a bit like when George Costanza went and made friends with an African American family, so he could "prove" he wasn't racist. Your hilarious.

Hey "scoop" .......Everyone of those signings had interest from elsewhere and if your "inside knowledge" is telling you otherwise, then I suggest you go elsewhere for your scoops.

In regards to Hunt, did you ever consider that Flanno was told that he was not to grant Hunt a release and he was to work with him.???
If you think it was Deano that "had a chat" with Hunt, then you are more deluded than I thought. Deano was there in his role as Senior Assistant Coach, but I can assure you, it was Flanno that told Hunt some home truths.

 

[possm]

100% agree that there must be accountability but it also must be fair and reasonable



How you can possible suggest that your boy, with the golden balls, should be held to less account than Flanno? It just doesn't pass the pub test IMO. No need to post the differences, I've read them all previously - I don't agree.

Flanno's support from our board, that deserves his eternal gratitude, has him performing multiple roles that he should only be overseeing. Not his fault, just his reality.

What Flanno inherited requires at least an extra year to what Ryles has been gifted.

I would then expect Flanno would outperform Ryles.in every way.

No one seems to pt together that we had one of the worst defensive stats and that Young was the defensive coach.

 

[possm]

The only imbecile here is the one trying to imply he is connected with "facts".
Yes....once again, you focused on the negative of the Atkinson signing. Trying to make it look like Flanno fxcked up, instead of focusing on the positive of an extremely good signing.

Now out of the 6+ cracking signings that Flanno made (Val, Cookie, Gutho, Lawson, Ilias and Atkinson + maybe a middle), the best you could muster was " I congratulated him on the signing of Atkinson". That was mighty big of you. That's it. Really. You couldn't find even a second good thing to say about Flanno. Nothing in the other 5 or 6 signings got you even a little bit excited? And that is what you are using to show that you have been fair to Flanno. It's a bit like when George Costanza went and made friends with an African American family, so he could "prove" he wasn't racist. Your hilarious.

Hey "scoop" .......Everyone of those signings had interest from elsewhere and if your "inside knowledge" is telling you otherwise, then I suggest you go elsewhere for your scoops.

In regards to Hunt, did you ever consider that Flanno was told that he was not to grant Hunt a release and he was to work with him.???
If you think it was Deano that "had a chat" with Hunt, then you are more deluded than I thought. Deano was there in his role as Senior Assistant Coach, but I can assure you, it was Flanno that told Hunt some home truths.

At one stage we had;
Hunt
Flannagan
Amone
Sullivan
and Others earmarked to the halves.

Well, Hunt, Amone, and Sullivan are now replaced with Ilias, Atkinson and Flannagan. Money saved and better players recruited. So for me Flanno is doing well.

 

[cusnjed]

Not sure if this has been posted by others but nathan Lawson was named in the World Rugby's 7's Dream Team.
I am certainly looking forward to seeing him in the Red V.

World Rugby Men's Sevens Dream Team of the Year in partnership with HSBC: Selvyn Davids (South Africa), Antoine Dupont (France), Aaron Grandidier Nkanang (France), Terry Kennedy (Ireland), Nathan Lawson (Australia), Ponipate Loganimasi (Fiji), Matías Osadczuk (Argentina).

 

[Victoire]

You are losing the plot O.T.

Wrong tense