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FO Kearney

Penrose Warrior

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And I'll tell you why we will win nothing under this coach, and why he might as well FO:

He is an absolutely horrendous communicator.

There hasn't been a single poor, or even average communicator who has been successful in the NRL. None.

Stephen Kearney again exhibited this week that everything out of his mouth is meaningless. He threatened to 'march people out', then tells us a bunch didn't try again but only one guy got switched and even then it was to the bench. He then slashed and burned all those in Intrust Cup who have been busting arse each week by saying if he could've made changes he would've, thus telling the back-up crew he thinks they're no chop. Not to mention it shows he was an idiot for saying there'd be changes when he never intended to make them.

He talks in tired cliches, a sign of the unintelligent (he does this in the media and he also did it according to the Herald when they went behind closed doors).

The 'brothers' thing seemed to bind players at international when you're playing one-off Tests/series etc but it doesn't work if you're not a strong communicator and leader of men in a 26-round series. Stephen Kearney is not, and it's why he'll not work again in this comp at head coach level and will forever hold a winning percentage of 35%.
 

WellsNZ

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Jeez you guys are the most depressing part of all of this. here's an idea - instead of getting rid of everyone else why doesn't the most negative & vocal 'fans' of the warriors be let go (FO) and be replaced by the fan base of Newcastle, Canberra, Sharks - anyone else. Take your negativity & do what you all threaten to do and let people who don't buy into the 'cut people off at the knees', 'kick a man when he's down' attitude see the positive changes that are being heralded. Kiwis suck sometimes (and I am one) - we set the bar according to hype & then blame, blame, blame. Get a grip and wait it out...a change is coming & tbh I can't wait to say I told you so

Apologies, I know it comes from passion and a long, long wait for results & I know you want to see it all happen but as a visitor to this forum its like watching ground hog day, over and out...

Yeah bro, it's just a matter of faith aye.
 

Rich102

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FORGET Newcastle and forget the Wests Tigers. They might be anchoring the NRL table but they’re not the biggest disappointment in rugby league this year.

That honour goes to the New Zealand Warriors.

We know Gold Coast has slipped following its 2016 heroics, the Bulldogs’ attack is woeful, the Tigers have been a basket-case off the field and the Knights have won just four games all season, but still Warriors fans have more reason to cry foul than anyone else.

Sitting 12th with seven wins from 20 matches, so much more was expected of the men across the ditch. Their spine — comprising the four most important positions on the field in fullback, halfback, five-eighth and hooker — is full of internationals.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck became the club’s No. 1 in 2016 after it signed him on a deal reportedly worth more than $800,000 a season. Halfback Shaun Johnson has played more than 20 Tests for the Kiwis, rake Issac Luke boasts more than 30 international caps and guided Souths to a grand final in 2014 and Kieran Foran wears the No. 6 jersey. On paper, it’s one of the strongest spines in the competition.

That’s a helluva quartet to snare under the constraint of a $7 million salary cap, but their performances haven’t matched the pay cheques.

Tuivasa-Sheck has largely been impressive at the back and Foran’s impact on the team was noticeable in the early stages before dropping off. But Luke hasn’t come close to replicating the form that made him one of the competition’s leading dummy-halves at the Rabbitohs and Johnson has too often drifted in and out of games.

A humbling 34-22 loss at home to the Panthers in Round 19 when Penrith’s teenage halfback Nathan Cleary carved them up single-handedly showed just how low the Kiwi club had sunk.

“They’ve got Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, they’ve got Issac Luke, they’ve got Kieran Foran, they’ve got Shaun Johnson. The Panthers had Nathan Cleary, a young kid, and he gave them a bath,” Matthew Johns said on the Triple M Grill Team after that loss.


“The worst rap a club can have is that when players go there, they get worse. Roger was on the cusp of being the best player in the competition and he’s gone there and gone backwards. Issac Luke has gone backwards. Foran was fantastic to start with but now he’s paddling.”

Life has only got worse since then, losing the next three games. The Warriors last tasted success in their seven-point win over the struggling Bulldogs in Round 16 and on the back of the club’s defeat to bottom-placed Newcastle on the weekend, coach Stephen Kearney accused some players of not trying.

“There were some guys out there trying very hard and there were some guys that weren’t,” Kearney said. “There were some individuals whose effort was very questionable and in this competition you can’t have that.”

The Warriors have been missing Johnson, who suffered a knee injury in July, but the rot started well before that. So while it’s a mitigating factor in the club’s late-season slide, it can’t be used as an excuse for the mediocrity of the entire year.

On NRL 360 last week former Queensland five-eighth Ben Ikin expressed the exasperation plenty of league followers feel when trying to understand the Warriors’ predicament.

“I struggle to get my head around what’s happened in New Zealand this year,” Ikin said.

“They’ve got a world class spine, they’ve got people of the ilk of Simon Mannering and Ryan Hoffman (in the back row) and I just look at the team play and I am left scratching my head.

“There’s not too many good judges in rugby league that didn’t have the Warriors getting close to the top four with the group of people they had assembled.”

What really boggles the mind is the amount of talent the Warriors have in their under-age set-ups. They’ve won three Holden Cup Under-20 titles in nine years but that talent clearly isn’t being nurtured properly.

Last week Dale Budge wrote a column for the New Zealand Herald saying the Warriors’ roster, outside of the spine, simply isn’t up to NRL standard, which is the result of poor player development.

“When you look through the 2017 roster there are a number of players commanding big chunks of (salary) cap space that haven’t delivered true value on their contract — Manu Vatuvei, Ben Matulino, Issac Luke, Jacob Lillyman, Shaun Johnson and Ryan Hoffman to name a few obvious ones,” Budge wrote.

“Problem is the development has been terrible and that is the key reason why the Warriors haven’t enjoyed more success in recent years. The Warriors have been a development club that simply hasn’t spat out NRL-ready first graders, which is the key way to balance your roster and manage your salary cap.

“The reality is the Warriors actually haven’t poured enough resources into player development at a lower level. They haven’t recruited the best types of juniors and there have been far too many kids ‘filling jerseys’ rather than actually being part of the long-term solution.”

So when the club promotes its locally-grown talent to first grade, the players struggle to make the step up. When it recruits players from other clubs, they don’t get what they paid for. It’s a vicious cycle, and one Warriors fans will desperately hope ends soon.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/ho...s/news-story/72dcddfaa735f3e28dca678b9efae6cd
 

Rich102

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Look, make no mistake I have a lot invested in the Warriors and I desperately want them to succeed. But to me they are a long way off showing signs that they have learned the lessons necessary to become successful. The desire to change must come from the top - if management are satisfied with financial success from TV rights and jersey sales without carrying it through to on-field results, then nothing will change.
I know those on here have become increasingly concerned with the club's performance. I have advocated that fans let the club know they are not happy and I have let them know personally. I believe this is important. If Watson thinks the teams performance reflects badly on him then we may get some changes put in place.
The fact the press is now getting involved and pointing out disturbing things that we have been saying for some time, I hope, will put pressure on the club to make the necessary changes.
None of us on here want to see the Warriors die but neither do we want to see them continue to limp along like a lame dog.
Let's see some Warrior spirit from the club.

And I don't believe if we don't say anything bad about the club it will get better by itself.
 
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Good to see that SK has a relative posting on his behalf on the forums

That article posted early has a couple of reasonable points, but the entire premise of be happy because there shouldn't be any expectations is a load of garbage. Extremely amusing though how the article talks down the Warriors squad and pumps up Newcastles squad as superstars

The people on this forum mentioned by the poster, expect rubbish to be dished up most weeks and that expectation gets delivered so it isn't like there are high hopes. What expectations should be from a professional sport franchise is improvement and signs of moving in the right direction, not slipping into the abyss which is the direction headed at the moment

CNK should be on the phone to his manager this morning asking him to find a new club, looked every part the first grader in all of his matches but not sits in reserve grade, and hears the coach come out last night and say that the cattle isn't there to make changes. Get out of there young fella, best thing you could do for your career

The whole "gotta stay positive" thing is rubbish, that needs to be earned. There is nothing at all to be positive about with what Kearney has shown so far, and what they have coming in next season to improve that. I could be positive every morning and tell myself when I open the car door that I'm stepping foot into a brand new Ferrari, doesn't change the fact though that reality is im hopping into a beat up 90s Jap import
 

JJ

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come on lads, these things are only problems if we talk about them...


Who would have thought that McFadden would be the best of the 4 most recent coaches - I wanted McFadden gone, but more than that I didn't want Kearney - people still want to blow on about what a smart operator Doyle is, well he appointed Kearney
 

Warriorsoul

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Jeez you guys are the most depressing part of all of this. here's an idea - instead of getting rid of everyone else why doesn't the most negative & vocal 'fans' of the warriors be let go (FO) and be replaced by the fan base of Newcastle, Canberra, Sharks - anyone else. Take your negativity & do what you all threaten to do and let people who don't buy into the 'cut people off at the knees', 'kick a man when he's down' attitude see the positive changes that are being heralded. Kiwis suck sometimes (and I am one) - we set the bar according to hype & then blame, blame, blame. Get a grip and wait it out...a change is coming & tbh I can't wait to say I told you so

Apologies, I know it comes from passion and a long, long wait for results & I know you want to see it all happen but as a visitor to this forum its like watching ground hog day, over and out...

Its honestly not the long wait for results that burn me. I'm passionate and every week, every week I watch even though I say I won't lol. Take Newcastle tho. They've had a couple of years of really bad results, far worse than us, objectively, but throughout the fans could see a thread, a path to where the team was heading. The team has bought into it as well, their heads never go down, they keep fighting every week, keep turning up and slowly but surely they're shaping into a team that I think might do well moving forward. West Tigers, same same. Recruiting of solid performers, studded with a few well chosen x-factor players. A coach who doesn't crap on about journeys and processes, who demands success and rewards effort and punishes lack of effort and players who don't buy into the team ethos and values.

And then theres us. I could detail where we are going wrong, but instead, just take the above and reverse it. And the thing that really gets my goat is that NOONE at the club seems to recognise it. How can Tony Iro still be the head recruiter? Our recruiting has been terrible this year and, honestly, last year too. How can Ruben Wiki still be a trainer? God love the man, but our team is unfit early in the season and still seem to be blowing far too early. SKs fault are well documented. I strongly believe Jim Doyle is the best man for CEO, but he's surrounded by turkeys and that's at least in part his fault!
 
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come on lads, these things are only problems if we talk about them...


Who would have thought that McFadden would be the best of the 4 most recent coaches - I wanted McFadden gone, but more than that I didn't want Kearney - people still want to blow on about what a smart operator Doyle is, well he appointed Kearney

No Watson did
 
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Its honestly not the long wait for results that burn me. I'm passionate and every week, every week I watch even though I say I won't lol. Take Newcastle tho. They've had a couple of years of really bad results, far worse than us, objectively, but throughout the fans could see a thread, a path to where the team was heading. The team has bought into it as well, their heads never go down, they keep fighting every week, keep turning up and slowly but surely they're shaping into a team that I think might do well moving forward. West Tigers, same same. Recruiting of solid performers, studded with a few well chosen x-factor players. A coach who doesn't crap on about journeys and processes, who demands success and rewards effort and punishes lack of effort and players who don't buy into the team ethos and values.

And then theres us. I could detail where we are going wrong, but instead, just take the above and reverse it. And the thing that really gets my goat is that NOONE at the club seems to recognise it. How can Tony Iro still be the head recruiter? Our recruiting has been terrible this year and, honestly, last year too. How can Ruben Wiki still be a trainer? God love the man, but our team is unfit early in the season and still seem to be blowing far too early. SKs fault are well documented. I strongly believe Jim Doyle is the best man for CEO, but he's surrounded by turkeys and that's at least in part his fault!


Rubin is the trainor for the reserves now
 
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Guess I am calling bullshit then

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league...y-named-warriors-head-coach-in-threeyear-deal

Too convenient to blame Watson for everything and celebrate Doyle's awesomeness (not sure what evidence there is yet at the Warriors)

His recent quotes about the average losing score seem geniused, and these ones around Kearney similarly

Im sure bro Doyle had Toovey already to be announced but Watson come over the top and said Kearney will be the man due to his connections with the club and public
 

JJ

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Just read the article. Looks like im wrong. Swear Toovey was lined up though
You're not the only one that's said that, so might be something in it

Watson possibly has sign off on any big ticket stuff, but still hard to see him undermining the CEO on big things like this - and if it was the case, surely Doyle would say f**k this and head off?

Anyway, we're all frustrated and disappointed, because everyone knew Kearney wasn't up to it, and absolutely nothing seems to have been done to change things - I read another story where Kearney was going on about fitness, and how hard they'd train through the summer - seems to be a lot of glib one-liners, and no action - CNK about the only player dropped from the 17 all year, maybe Gubb too, and Afoa once - those guys are not the problem (admittedly they're not the solution either - but FMD he says they're not trying and he'll walk them out the gate then picks them all, then he says again they're definitely not trying - so he picks them again) - Hoffman and Lillyman aren't signed, but to my eye they're not among the not trying lot (again, admittedly they aren't the solution either)
 

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