Forward passes

[thorson1987]

stand deeper and run onto the ball behind where its passed from. not that tricky, but its become a hard concept since chris anderson introduced really flat attacking systems when he was at melbourne, and they became a thing. I know its different era, different footy, but I remember attacking backlines that fanned back maybe 30 meters if not more. Still managed to score somehow.

Which works when the player passing the ball is stationary, not so much when in full flight.

 

[thorson1987]

Seriously can this one track wonder T goon be confined to the cave.

Prick derails every thread with his bullshit.

Ignore function mate.

Works so much better than it used to.

 

[T-Boon]

In the 'old days' of standing very deep the idea was to give the receiver time to build up enough speed to break the line, over the years its been found the more effective way is to run into gaps that are created because the defence isn't sure where the ball's going, hence flat passing . . . no rocket science in RL but there has been some improvements

The flat passing (and consequent need to recreate the definition of "forward pass") is a result of the 5m going to 10m. The objective is get a fast play the ball and catch defence retreating. Hence the importance of the wrestle.
The 10m rule places too much importance on play the ball speed and line speed. Concepts even rusty old fans dont give a damn about.
Back in the day they stood deep because you had to basically earn territory by taking risks. It wasn't gifted to you 10m at a time.
Solution: 11men 5 metres.

 

[Pete Cash]

It shocks me so many people fail to understand this concept. Im not even going to use maths or physics here but get people to just use their imagination

On a break away there is a ball runner and a support player both travelling at the exact same speed when the ball runner passes the support player doesnt stop he continues to travel forward as does the ball. This is pretty basic mechanics but lets not focus on the basics of the ball moving just on the players.

If the ball travelled only backwards with no forward momentum then the player receiving the ball would have to literally stop running to take the pass.

 

[Life's Good]

He can't because it's f**king stupid.

Passes are judged in relation to the player passing the ball.

Absolutely. But 2 posters can't seem to grasp that.

 

[T-Boon]

It shocks me so many people fail to understand this concept. Im not even going to use maths or physics here but get people to just use their imagination

On a break away there is a ball runner and a support player both travelling at the exact same speed when the ball runner passes the support player doesnt stop he continues to travel forward as does the ball. This is pretty basic mechanics but lets not focus on the basics of the ball moving just on the players.

The physics have been acknowledged.

If the ball travelled only backwards with no forward momentum then the player receiving the ball would have to literally stop running to take the pass.

Again, not true. A ball can be thrown backwards even accounting for the fact there will be forward momentum. o do some youtube. Those types of draw and pass type plays come up in the game often and they are usually thrown backwards because the support player is well behind the carrier and trying to catch up. The ones that are forward are where the support player is basically flat with the runner.

 

[T-Boon]

Absolutely. But 2 posters can't seem to grasp that.

Man this is what we re saying and you are not understanding. Go back and have another look for your own sake.

 

[ByronTitan]

Please everyone take a couple of minutes to view YouTube clip titled 'Total Rugby-Forward Pass'.
I hate that ignorant fans like Shield continually muddy the waters of this simply issue. So much so that refs and commentators now get confused.

 

[T-Boon]

Ok so give an example of this so called compensation.

The passer of the ball throws it far enough backwards to account for the momentum.

 

[Life's Good]

The passer of the ball throws it far enough backwards to account for the momentum.

And that is not happening now??

 

[The_Shield]

Please everyone take a couple of minutes to view YouTube clip titled 'Total Rugby-Forward Pass'.
I hate that ignorant fans like Shield continually muddy the waters of this simply issue. So much so that refs and commentators now get confused.

That video is useless. They're not even trying to pass backwards. If they aimed their pass backwards a bit more then they would be able to catch the ball behind the point of where it was thrown. It's ignorant fans like you that just think it can't be done, when it very easily can be applied

 

[T-Boon]

And that is not happening now??

Yes it is just obviously not on the ones that drift forward.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Ignore function mate.

Works so much better than it used to.

Done

 

[Life's Good]

Yes it is just obviously not on the ones that drift forward.

Which aren't thrown forward. Anyway, it's been real. I'm out.

 

[T-Boon]

Please everyone take a couple of minutes to view YouTube clip titled 'Total Rugby-Forward Pass'.
I hate that ignorant fans like Shield continually muddy the waters of this simply issue. So much so that refs and commentators now get confused.

You've got to admit, Shield has consistently acknowledged the physics of it and in his first post acknowledges that "backward out of the hand, but can drift forward" is the rule (or appears to be). What he is saying is that THAT is a stupid rule and is unnecessary and just creates this "was it, wasn't it" crap. Its almost impossible for a ref to know if the ball has gone backwards out of the hand or not.

 

[Canard]

That video is useless. They're not even trying to pass backwards. If they aimed their pass backwards a bit more then they would be able to catch the ball behind the point of where it was thrown. It's ignorant fans like you that just think it can't be done, when it very easily can be applied

Amazing.

You have to be trolling, otherwise you're basically advocating that no player ever run and pass the ball.

 

[kdalymc]

5 pages of Albert Einsteins ...
Where do you draw the line then, when are we going to actually rule on a forward pass and not blame momentum

 

[ByronTitan]

That video is useless. They're not even trying to pass backwards. If they aimed their pass backwards a bit more then they would be able to catch the ball behind the point of where it was thrown. It's ignorant fans like you that just think it can't be done, when it very easily can be applied

Righto, good luck with that.

 

[Canard]

5 pages of Albert Einsteins ...
Where do you draw the line then, when are we going to actually rule on a forward pass and not blame momentum

My radical plan would be to apply the rules that have been in place since 1908.

 

[Card Shark]

It's ignorant fans like you that just think it can't be done, when it very easily can be applied

LOL