The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That’s the problem. Clubs have way too much power in this game. If the ARLC had any cojones they would lead the debate for once and put the clubs back in their place.

They need to realise that if Parra or the Roosters are allowed to do this then where are the other clubs going to play, considering

1. a whole list of grounds aren’t suitable anymore and
2. the government isn’t realistically going to spend money on upgrading five or six grounds

They can’t keep going on this fantasy about all 9 clubs have Commbank grounds. It’s delusional.

If PVL has any brains and guts he'll use this as an opportunity to rationalise Sydney.

If I was Palaszczuk I would be liaising with the Tigers to relocate permanently to Brisbane to play out of Lang Park. Brisbane Tigers.

 

[Iamback]

Especially as a good part of Parramatta Leagues Club (iirc, tjhe car park) is on crown land which they pay a nominal rent to the NSW Government for.

Yep that too. I can understand why no team has committed there yet

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Sharks are a marketable brand but limit their growth at Shark Park. The Southern Sydney A League bid had a plan for a stadium at Loftus. The Sharks should look to build something similar.View attachment 65850

Southern Sydney Sharks based out of SFS could be a strong club.

 

[big hit!]

Parra Leagues right next door?
Who you pay $30 for should you park there

Why would either side want to give the opposition money? No doubt flow on business they get as a result

Thanks for pointing that out. I'd forgotten about it, mainly because I don't drive to WSS - take the train with the station on the other side of the ground, and I don't drink at the club pre or post game, rather go to a pub. I wouldn't spend money at the club.

 

[forby]

Suitman, you have your opinion and I have mine.
What was wrong with Parramatta other than it didn't suit WSW? It was suitable to play neutral finals. If it was that bad why didn't they move 5 minutes down the road to Allianz?
You sound like a supporter of a club that has a new stadium and comes up with reasons to justify it, and says bad luck to everyone else.
If Penrith was in worse condition why didn't they rebuild Penrith, move WSW there and renovate Parramatta to a suitable condition? Penrith is to be the 3rd CBD and is growing at a faster rate and covers a larger area including Blacktown, the Hawkesbury, the Blue Mountains.
And why spend $850 million on the SFS when they could have built another Commbank type stadium for half the cost?

But as I said at the start you have your opinions and I have mine, and enjoy the banter. I respect that but I don't resort to name calling and foul language.

 

[Colk]

Suitman, you have your opinion and I have mine.
What was wrong with Parramatta other than it didn't suit WSW? It was suitable to play neutral finals. If it was that bad why didn't they move 5 minutes down the road to Allianz?
You sound like a supporter of a club that has a new stadium and comes up with reasons to justify it, and says bad luck to everyone else.
If Penrith was in worse condition why didn't they rebuild Penrith, move WSW there and renovate Parramatta to a suitable condition? Penrith is to be the 3rd CBD and is growing at a faster rate and covers a larger area including Blacktown, the Hawkesbury, the Blue Mountains.
And why spend $850 million on the SFS when they could have built another Commbank type stadium for half the cost?

But as I said at the start you have your opinions and I have mine, and enjoy the banter. I respect that but I don't resort to name calling and foul language.

Is Penrith really going to be the third CBD? I thought it was going to be Bradfield?

 

[Steel Saints]

https://www.austadiums.com/news/562/sea-eagles-push-brookvale-redevelopment

Whatever happened to Brookvale Oval developing land on Pittwater Rd for commercial and residential use?

 

[Colk]

https://www.austadiums.com/news/562/sea-eagles-push-brookvale-redevelopment

Whatever happened to Manly developing land on Pittwater Rd for commercial and residential use?

Build it to 30k. None of these 20k stadiums Interesting that they are talking about resisting a move to Allianz - is there even pressure other than from people on forums like this? Also, who is funding this? The government? Private interests?

Like the wings idea - that is cool and really unique.

 

[forby]

Not according to the NSW Government. Penrith is the major centre of the third city Western Parklands.

 

[Maximus]

You sound like a supporter of a club that has a new stadium and comes up with reasons to justify it, and says bad luck to everyone else.

Coming from the guy who said Penrith is the only ground that should have been rebuilt, and everything else should just get upgrades. Sounds like you want to do exactly what you are whinging about

They pulled down a perfectly good Parramatta stadium to suit the WSW, then they should have renovated the SFS instead of pulling it down and building Allianz to suit the SCG Trust. Both of these were considered suitable to host finals, both home and neutral!
This would have left enough money to build Penrith and upgrade Brookie and some of the other grounds.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Newcastle are a one team town. That’s not a good example.

The stadium is Government owned. Rightly or wrongly their lease (IIRC) granted them exclusive usre of it during the rugby league season. It was the wording of that lease which was upheld in court when Super League tried to get access for the Hunter Mariners. So, rightly or wrongly, it is an example of where it actually did happen.\

On a side note, If you believe the media stories about the Roosters keeping other teams out of using it, then, sorry, but you swallowed the News Ltd line.

 

[Captain Apollo]

There was an article in Sunday’s terrorgraph stating that they were upset at the treatment that Roosters have received with the new SFS (the whole home of the Sydney Roosters sign and them trying to stop Souths from playing there - although the latter is over egged) and are arguing for the same at Commbank.

It’s 101 as to why the clubs shouldn’t be leading or organising themselves - they are petty and vindictive. The NRL should just tell clubs in Sydney that these are the venues and you are playing either here or there.

If that is correct, then the problem is with how the Eels management negotiated its lease and what is in it.

The Roosters football club offices have been at the Football Stadium precincts for about 18-19 years, which were outside the old SFS. As such they negotiated for it in its lease for the new stadium. Not their fault Parramatta didn't discuss similar when it was being designed.

Personally I don't care who plays out of Allianz. Thing is most of the publicly stated issues revole around either teams having agreements for other grounds that commit them to stay there or poor decision making by those clubs. The Roosters have as much say as who plays there as I do as to what movies are shown at my local cinema.

 

[Colk]

The stadium is Government owned. Rightly or wrongly their lease (IIRC) granted them exclusive usre of it during the rugby league season. It was the wording of that lease which was upheld in court when Super League tried to get access for the Hunter Mariners. So, rightly or wrongly, it is an example of where it actually did happen.\

On a side note, If you believe the media stories about the Roosters keeping other teams out of using it, then, sorry, but you swallowed the News Ltd line.

I don’t think it would happen. They would receive too much backlash if they tried.

Sorry, I forgot about the Hunter Mariners - they played at the old greyhound track. Now, that was a dump.

 

[Colk]

Build it to 30k. None of these 20k stadiums Interesting that they are talking about resisting a move to Allianz - is there even pressure other than from people on forums like this? Also, who is funding this? The government? Private interests?

Like the wings idea - that is cool and really unique.

Actually I re-read it. Scratch my funding questions.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I don’t think it would happen. They would receive too much backlash if they tried.

Sorry, I forgot about the Hunter Mariners - they played at the old greyhound track. Now, that was a dump.

Yep, it was. They took it because, when it was expected SL would launch in 1996 it was the only ground they could get at short notice.

 

[forby]

I was responding to a statement that Penrith was in a worse condition than Parramatta. So why pull Parramatta down and rebuild it and then spend nothing on Penrith?
I would like to have the Government either rebuild or renovate all the grounds, but realise this isn't possible, but they should honour their commitments.
There seems to be an attitude that because Parramatta and the SFS have been rebuilt that no other stadiums should be built and everyone should play at them. For Penrith this doesn't work as they are too far away to justify it.

 

[2012....Sharks Year]

Great retort. Explain to me what tribalism means in that case? Does it not mean lower crowds and poorer facilities?

So I'd assume you don't support a Sydney club if you don't understand the rivalry or tribalism as you call it. There's nothing better than watching a derby against a traditional rival at a traditional ground imo. Everyone is getting worked up about these whiz bang new stadiums. At the end of the day you're still sitting in a plastic seat and paying $10 for a beer and about $15 for a pie and chips. If I want comfort I stay at home. The average punter is at a stadium for about 2 hours and I'm there for the atmosphere not for a new plastic seat and a shiny toilet. Yes many Sydneysiders are insular and couldn't be arsed travelling an hour or two to a game. Again that is their choice.

 

[Colk]

Yep, it was. They took it because, when it was expected SL would launch in 1996 it was the only ground they could get at short notice.

I remembering watching a game there. My dad took me to watch the Raiders play against the Mariners. I was pretty devastated because I think the Mariners won with a try at the end of the game.

 

[Steel Saints]

Build it to 30k. None of these 20k stadiums Interesting that they are talking about resisting a move to Allianz - is there even pressure other than from people on forums like this? Also, who is funding this? The government? Private interests?

Like the wings idea - that is cool and really unique.

Sounds more like private interests, hinting that there wouldn't be tax payer spent on redeveoping Brookvale. That article was seven years ago.

Since then, through government funding, they have built a 3,000 seat northern grandstand that doubles up as their COE.

If there is no public funding forthcoming, would Scott Penn and Manly go back on this plan highlighted in the article link?

 

[siv]

There was an article in Sunday’s terrorgraph stating that they were upset at the treatment that Roosters have received with the new SFS (the whole home of the Sydney Roosters sign and them trying to stop Souths from playing there - although the latter is over egged) and are arguing for the same at Commbank.

It’s 101 as to why the clubs shouldn’t be leading or organising themselves - they are petty and vindictive. The NRL should just tell clubs in Sydney that these are the venues and you are playing either here or there.

I blame a lot of this special treatment on Venues NSW who are violating their charter by allowing clubs to put permanent signage on a stadium or allowing offices or CoE to be built inside