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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Perth Red

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Most people would complain about being robbed so blazingly every year!
when we are getting 34cents in the $ and the next lowest state is NSW with 88cents then I think we have every right to whinge!
Finally getting some back next year but still way off what other states are reaping. I guess we have to pay for NSw and Vic's spending somehow! SA has 1mmillion less people yet will get double WA's return. The system is a rort! So much for the Aussie "fair go"

Should be everyone gets 50c in the $ and then states can make bids for more depending on need, current state economic pain and plans for expenditure/growth.
 
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Most people would complain about being robbed so blazingly every year!
when we are getting 34cents in the $ and the next lowest state is NSW with 88cents then I think we have every right to whinge!
Finally getting some back next year but still way off what other states are reaping. I guess we have to pay for NSw and Vic's spending somehow! SA has 1mmillion less people yet will get double WA's return. The system is a rort! So much for the Aussie "fair go"

Should be everyone gets 50c in the $ and then states can make bids for more depending on need, current state economic pain and plans for expenditure/growth.
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The reason WA gets less is because the majority of people live in a small pocket. Making it easier to provide services to the most people.

From a rough look about 80% of W.A’s population live in Perth.

Compare that to NSW it’s 65% in Sydney.
 

Perth Red

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The reason WA gets less is because the majority of people live in a small pocket. Making it easier to provide services to the most people.

From a rough look about 80% of W.A’s population live in Perth.

Compare that to NSW it’s 65% in Sydney.

and how does that explain SA? or Victoria?

How many of that % in NSW live more than 400kms hours from Sydney?

Working in the community health space having such a sparse geographically spread population is in fact hugely more expensive to try and deliver any level of equity to communities in somewhere as unique as WA

But we digress from the topic. Give us our GST back and we might get NIB stadium finished in time for an NRL team!
 

Saint Doc

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and how does that explain SA? or Victoria?

How many of that % in NSW live more than 400kms hours from Sydney?

Working in the community health space having such a sparse geographically spread population is in fact hugely more expensive to try and deliver any level of equity to communities in somewhere as unique as WA

But we digress from the topic. Give us our GST back and we might get NIB stadium finished in time for an NRL team!

400km?!! I hope you never have a health emergency and need to be taken 400km to the nearest tertiary level hospital!
 

taipan

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I'll be taking the family the first time we play there. Really hyped for it.

I've always said: fix the grounds and I'm there.

This could be an adventure for rl fans.Attending every one of the new or reconfigured stadiums at their first opening match.Sort of a true Leaguie's bucket list. Could add Toronto to that list.;)

Just like people climbing every flipping major mountain in the world.Or base jumping every major building.

Better than stamp collecting ,hey what????
 
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The following article was published earlier this afternoon by the Sydney Morning Herald -

Ayres confirms stadium compo for Roosters, Sydney FC and Waratahs
By Jacob Saulwick 12 April 2018 — 2:10pm

The Berejiklian government has confirmed taxpayers will help subsidise the Roosters, Sydney FC and the Waratahs when they are displaced by a new stadium at Moore Park over the next four years, in spending that will add to the stadium’s estimated $729 million cost.

But the SCG Trust will have to cover the cost of a new gym and swimming pool in the area, when recreational facilities are demolished to make way for the new stadium.

Confirmation that the government will help cover the “disruption costs” faced by the Allianz Stadium tenants means the total bill for the government’s controversial stadium program will continue to rise above $2 billion.

“There's likely to be some disruption costs associated with relocations of tenants into other locations around Sydney,” the Sports Minister, Stuart Ayres, said on Thursday.

“We want to be able to see what those costs are before we make any final commitment. But that's what I would have considered a reasonable thing to do with people who are long-term tenants,” Mr Ayres said.

Mr Ayres said those costs would be on top of the $729 million expected to be spent on a 40,000 to 45,000-seat stadium to replace the 30-year old Allianz Stadium.

“There's an additional cost around disruption,” he said.

Mr Ayres made the comments while accompanying the Premier, Gladys Berejiklian, to announce a $100 million commitment to local sporting grounds in Sydney.

The funding, which comes from a $290 million Open Spaces package already announced, will be available under application by sporting clubs, community groups and local councils.

“We want to make sure local sporting fields do have that opportunity for upgrades,” Ms Berejiklian said.

“But also, really importantly, become more accessible. Because often, if you don’t have a synthetic playing surface, or you don’t have the right lighting, or the right amenities, it does preclude people from using these local sporting fields,” she said.

Groups will be able to make applications for the funding from June.

The government has been keen to emphasise its contributions to community infrastructure as it faces potential electoral angst relating to development in Sydney, as well as its stadium spending spree.

The issue of compensation for the existing Allianz tenants has remained unaddressed since Ms Berejiklian in December reversed former premier Mike Baird’s policy and said she would build a new stadium at Moore Park.

When a replacement stadium at Moore Park was mooted in 2016, the Allianz Stadium tenants were fiercely opposed to the idea of being without a home ground for more than three years. But those tenants have since supported Ms Berejiklian and Mr Ayres’ policy.

In internal correspondence in 2016, the SCG Trust put the cost of “disruption” from replacing a stadium on the same site at $300 million.

The redevelopment of Allianz Stadium also means that the facilities available to certain SCG Trust members – gym, swimming pool and tennis courts – will be demolished.

Mr Ayres said the government would not pay for the cost of replacing those facilities, which were funded by issuing debentures to members.

“The replacement of SCG Trust facilities will need to be paid for by the SCG Trust out of their operational cashflows, which is largely supported by members,” Mr Ayres said.

In communications with members, the trust has said that new member facilities will be “vastly improved.”

A spokesman for the SCG Trust said new recreational facilities will be funded by the trust, and "interim services will be provided" during construction.


"The trust understands that any additional costs would not be in the best interests of its loyal gold and platinum members," the spokesman said.

"The long-term benefits of a new SFS far outweigh the short-term disruption caused by its replacement."

As well as the $729 million cost of a new stadium at Moore Park, to be built by 2022, the government has committed to an $810 million upgrade at ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park by 2021.

It has already spent more than $200 million purchasing ANZ from its private owners, and is spending more than $360 million on a new 30,000-seat Parramatta Stadium, to open next year.
 

OldPanther

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This could be an adventure for rl fans.Attending every one of the new or reconfigured stadiums at their first opening match.Sort of a true Leaguie's bucket list. Could add Toronto to that list.;)

Just like people climbing every flipping major mountain in the world.Or base jumping every major building.

Better than stamp collecting ,hey what????

I like the sound of that. We need a cool name for it as a hobby.

If I go and it's good I'll keep going. I hope Parra gets good crowds every week and it shows we should have good stadiums.
 

El Diablo

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meanwhile in Victoriania

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...h-cash-on-footy-stadiums-20180412-p4z9bg.html

Etihad Stadium set for major upgrade in Andrews government cash splash

By Peter Ryan, Jake Niall & Scott Spits
12 April 2018 — 7:50pm

The Andrews state government has allocated $225 million in the May budget to upgrade Etihad Stadium as a result of their major stadium strategy.

The plan is a boost for the AFL, which took ownership of Etihad Stadium in 2016, and includes a commitment to invest in at least $120 million to support AFLW and community football.

The redevelopment of Etihad Stadium is expected to connect the precinct to the CBD while opening up the waterfront.

Victorian clubs will also benefit with increased match returns for home clubs at the MCG, with the commitment to play the Grand Final at the state's premier venue to be extended.

The state government is also poised to reveal the details of multimillion-dollar stadium upgrades for up to five AFL-aligned venues in Victoria, that includes Etihad Stadium, Carlton’s Ikon Park and Whitten Oval in Footscray.

Three active AFL grounds – Etihad Stadium, GMHBA Stadium in Geelong and Eureka Stadium in Ballarat – are among the five venues.

Ikon Park in Carlton’s Princes Park is expected to be the big winner from the funding announcement, receiving more than $10 million.
Several AFL presidents and chief executives were summoned to a phone hook-up late on Thursday night where they were briefed on the funding details. The government is expected to reveal further details on Friday.

Ikon Park, which stopped hosting AFL matches in 2005, is tipped to receive significant improvements.

It has previously been touted as a future home of the burgeoning AFLW competition. Improved lighting is likely to be one of the upgrades revealed.

The venue received significant criticism this AFLW season for inadequate lighting during one match, severely affecting the quality of the TV broadcast.

Ballarat’s Eureka Stadium is expected to be another beneficiary. The small venue hosted its first official AFL match last year when more than 10,000 fans watched a game between the Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide.

Both Ballarat and Geelong will be key battlegrounds in this year’s state election.

The funding boost for the venues was described by one source as "very good for the AFL industry".

With Caroline Wilson
 

El Diablo

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...r/news-story/68078056018d002afa408232bd9198b7

Etihad Stadium to undergo massive $225 million makeover in grand footy deal

Matt Johnston, state politics editor, Herald Sun
22 minutes ago

ETIHAD Stadium and the surrounding precinct will get a $225 million makeover in a landmark deal that also locks the AFL Grand Final in Melbourne for 40 years.

The agreement between the AFL and the Andrews Government will pave the way for the Melbourne Cricket Club Trust to embark on a major redevelopment of the MCG, potentially increasing its capacity above the current 100,024 people.

Etihad’s refurbishment will be centred on improving viewing experiences for fans, and will include better seating for footy and other major events on the bottom level of the stadium.


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What the revamped Etihad Stadium will look like.
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The funding was designed with football supporters in mind, Daniel Andrews said.

It is part of a larger sport cash splash across the state, worth almost half a billion dollars, set to be included in the May State Budget.

The Herald Sun can reveal the Budget package also includes $242 million to upgrade facilities at suburban grounds and local clubs — including making Ikon Park in Carlton North the home of women’s football.

In return for Etihad upgrade money, the AFL will have to frequently open up the ground to other major events and sporting codes, including rugby and soccer.

Footy clubs that host games at the Docklands stadium will get “fairer” deals, with more money to flow from all matches, and women’s change rooms will be upgraded.

Premier Daniel Andrews said the funding was designed with supporters in mind.

“This is for the fans, giving them the best venues, better access to the sports they love, and keeping the Grand Final where it belongs — at the MCG — for the next 40 years.”

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A new pedestrian walkway wll be built over Wurundjeri Way.
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“This landmark deal will bring more footy to the regions, boost AFLW facilities and make sure Victoria stays the sporting capital of Australia.”

Under a previous agreement with the AFL, the Grand Final was to be secured for Melbourne until the mid-2030s.

That will be extended until 2057, giving the MCG Trust financial security to refurbish the home of footy and cricket in Australia.

Hosting rights for the Brownlow Medal will also be locked into Victoria for the next 10 years.

The $225 million Docklands deal includes a new pedestrian walkway over Wurundjeri Way from Southern Cross Station.

Inside the ground, concourse flooring will be added and a revamp of bottom-row seating should enable fans to get a better view of the action.

The AFL, which bought Etihad Stadium for about $200 million, had also proposed to the State Government the arena should be opened to Harbour Esplanade and a waterfront entertainment zone, to breathe new life into the Docklands precinct.

It is understood that while specific elements of the masterplan — revealed by the Herald Sun in 2016 — are not included in the taxpayer-funded spending spree, it remains an option for the AFL.

Under the league’s vision, the entertainment hub would include a new “town square” with an amphitheatre.

A hotel and retail complex at least 11 storeys high could also be built, including a 1500-seat column-free ballroom to host events such as the Brownlow Medal.

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HAND FOR COMMUNITY SPORTS GROUNDS

SUBURBAN sporting clubs across Victoria will share in a $242 million state government package to improve grounds and facilities for women.

The state Budget spendathon will include $20 million to redevelop Ikon Park in Carlton North — previously Princes Park — as the “home of women’s football”.

A further $15 million will be locked in a Female Friendly Facilities Fund. And $60 million will be available for community sporting grants.

The grants will be distributed across all sporting codes.

The government’s sports overhaul guarantee regional Victoria more footy. A deal with the AFL guarantees Ballarat two matches a year over the next decade and Geelong eight to nine matches a year.

Other major winners from the package include:

MOORABBIN Oval, which gets $13 million for Stage 2 of its redevelopment, allowing the St Kilda AFLW team to play there from 2020;

CASEY Fields and Whitten Oval, which get a $10 million boost to share;

VICTORIA Park, which gets $2 million for infrastructure improvements.

In a push to get more community sports facilities without hurting the Budget bottom line, the government will also open up a $100 million infrastructure loan facility.

Under the scheme, which will cost taxpayers $5 million in fees to operate, local sporting clubs from across Victoria will be able to apply for interest-free loans to repair grounds or build facilities.

The reforms have been decided on because sports ovals and pitches are at capacity in many areas of the state, and some of them are in disrepair.

Sport and Major Events Minister John Eren said the new spending comes on top of a major deal with the AFL to enhance Etihad Stadium and upgrade the MCG.

“We’re redeveloping our biggest sporting precincts in Melbourne and across regional Victoria to keep the best events right here where they belong,” Mr Eren said.

In a state election year, political campaigns from both major parties are likely to involve promises about local infrastructure upgrades.

Some clubs are crying out for more space and facilities.

Earlier this year, after the Herald Sun revealed details of the potential deal between the AFL and the government, Opposition Leader Matthew Guy declared voters should get a choice on whether to splurge on Etihad Stadium or focus on local sporting facilities.

Last month, he told the Sunday Herald Sun: “If I’m elected in November, I’ll take every dollar (Premier) Daniel Andrews commits to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium and give it to local sports ground upgrades, including building new female change rooms.

“It’s about time that our suburban and country sporting clubs rather than just the AFL got some support from the state government.”

The money for the Etihad Stadium upgrade will now be locked into the State Budget in 2018-19.

Under the government’s plan, more than $15 million would also be spent on upgrades at Albert Park, Yarra Bend, and other “key suburban sporting precincts”.

Another $18 million would go towards a Significant Sporting Events Program which will fund more than 75 major events on the sporting calendar every year.

The Andrews Government says that about half of those national and international quality events would be held in regional Victoria.

matthew.johnston@news.com.au
 

T-Boon

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Curious to know why the eastern suburbs clubs are being offered this compensation, yet neither The Eels or the Wanderers were offered the same deal when punted out of Pirtek - the Eels for 2 seasons and the Wanderers for 3.

Good question and also what compensation is Cam Smith getting for it?
 

Saint Doc

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Curious to know why the eastern suburbs clubs are being offered this compensation, yet neither The Eels or the Wanderers were offered the same deal when punted out of Pirtek - the Eels for 2 seasons and the Wanderers for 3.

Also given they are getting a brand new stadium out of it!
 

beave

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Curious to know why the eastern suburbs clubs are being offered this compensation, yet neither The Eels or the Wanderers were offered the same deal when punted out of Pirtek - the Eels for 2 seasons and the Wanderers for 3.

Proximity to ANZ perhaps??

Still shitful for both those clubs though.
 

Suitman

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Proximity to ANZ perhaps??

Possibly, but both western clubs would still be surely out of pocket, just as the eastern clubs would be.
I still don't get the difference under the circumstances. There is no reason as to why the Allianz clubs get compensated and the Pirtek clubs didn't.
The only thing I can think of is the influence on the govt by the eastern suburbs power brokers. We all know who they are. Some of them can influence election results.
 

Suitman

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SCG is closer for the eastern clubs than ANZ to Parra!!

I think the issue is actually more to do with contracts being signed vs expiring

That's possibly true as well, but who would know the deal of any of the 5 club's contracts with their respective stadiums? That sort of info strangely never seems to be public knowledge. Maybe it's available from the respective websites of each club and sport? I've never looked into it.
 

T-Boon

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The Roosters playing at the SCG is ridiculous. The SCG is the enemy as far as I am concerned. If they are going to play at a crappy ground they should play out of Henson Park.
 

Jamberoo

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...r/news-story/68078056018d002afa408232bd9198b7

Etihad Stadium to undergo massive $225 million makeover in grand footy deal

Matt Johnston, state politics editor, Herald Sun
22 minutes ago

ETIHAD Stadium and the surrounding precinct will get a $225 million makeover in a landmark deal that also locks the AFL Grand Final in Melbourne for 40 years.

The agreement between the AFL and the Andrews Government will pave the way for the Melbourne Cricket Club Trust to embark on a major redevelopment of the MCG, potentially increasing its capacity above the current 100,024 people.

Etihad’s refurbishment will be centred on improving viewing experiences for fans, and will include better seating for footy and other major events on the bottom level of the stadium.


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What the revamped Etihad Stadium will look like.
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The funding was designed with football supporters in mind, Daniel Andrews said.

It is part of a larger sport cash splash across the state, worth almost half a billion dollars, set to be included in the May State Budget.

The Herald Sun can reveal the Budget package also includes $242 million to upgrade facilities at suburban grounds and local clubs — including making Ikon Park in Carlton North the home of women’s football.

In return for Etihad upgrade money, the AFL will have to frequently open up the ground to other major events and sporting codes, including rugby and soccer.

Footy clubs that host games at the Docklands stadium will get “fairer” deals, with more money to flow from all matches, and women’s change rooms will be upgraded.

Premier Daniel Andrews said the funding was designed with supporters in mind.

“This is for the fans, giving them the best venues, better access to the sports they love, and keeping the Grand Final where it belongs — at the MCG — for the next 40 years.”

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A new pedestrian walkway wll be built over Wurundjeri Way.
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“This landmark deal will bring more footy to the regions, boost AFLW facilities and make sure Victoria stays the sporting capital of Australia.”

Under a previous agreement with the AFL, the Grand Final was to be secured for Melbourne until the mid-2030s.

That will be extended until 2057, giving the MCG Trust financial security to refurbish the home of footy and cricket in Australia.

Hosting rights for the Brownlow Medal will also be locked into Victoria for the next 10 years.

The $225 million Docklands deal includes a new pedestrian walkway over Wurundjeri Way from Southern Cross Station.

Inside the ground, concourse flooring will be added and a revamp of bottom-row seating should enable fans to get a better view of the action.

The AFL, which bought Etihad Stadium for about $200 million, had also proposed to the State Government the arena should be opened to Harbour Esplanade and a waterfront entertainment zone, to breathe new life into the Docklands precinct.

It is understood that while specific elements of the masterplan — revealed by the Herald Sun in 2016 — are not included in the taxpayer-funded spending spree, it remains an option for the AFL.

Under the league’s vision, the entertainment hub would include a new “town square” with an amphitheatre.

A hotel and retail complex at least 11 storeys high could also be built, including a 1500-seat column-free ballroom to host events such as the Brownlow Medal.

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HAND FOR COMMUNITY SPORTS GROUNDS

SUBURBAN sporting clubs across Victoria will share in a $242 million state government package to improve grounds and facilities for women.

The state Budget spendathon will include $20 million to redevelop Ikon Park in Carlton North — previously Princes Park — as the “home of women’s football”.

A further $15 million will be locked in a Female Friendly Facilities Fund. And $60 million will be available for community sporting grants.

The grants will be distributed across all sporting codes.

The government’s sports overhaul guarantee regional Victoria more footy. A deal with the AFL guarantees Ballarat two matches a year over the next decade and Geelong eight to nine matches a year.

Other major winners from the package include:

MOORABBIN Oval, which gets $13 million for Stage 2 of its redevelopment, allowing the St Kilda AFLW team to play there from 2020;

CASEY Fields and Whitten Oval, which get a $10 million boost to share;

VICTORIA Park, which gets $2 million for infrastructure improvements.

In a push to get more community sports facilities without hurting the Budget bottom line, the government will also open up a $100 million infrastructure loan facility.

Under the scheme, which will cost taxpayers $5 million in fees to operate, local sporting clubs from across Victoria will be able to apply for interest-free loans to repair grounds or build facilities.

The reforms have been decided on because sports ovals and pitches are at capacity in many areas of the state, and some of them are in disrepair.

Sport and Major Events Minister John Eren said the new spending comes on top of a major deal with the AFL to enhance Etihad Stadium and upgrade the MCG.

“We’re redeveloping our biggest sporting precincts in Melbourne and across regional Victoria to keep the best events right here where they belong,” Mr Eren said.

In a state election year, political campaigns from both major parties are likely to involve promises about local infrastructure upgrades.

Some clubs are crying out for more space and facilities.

Earlier this year, after the Herald Sun revealed details of the potential deal between the AFL and the government, Opposition Leader Matthew Guy declared voters should get a choice on whether to splurge on Etihad Stadium or focus on local sporting facilities.

Last month, he told the Sunday Herald Sun: “If I’m elected in November, I’ll take every dollar (Premier) Daniel Andrews commits to the AFL to spend on Etihad Stadium and give it to local sports ground upgrades, including building new female change rooms.

“It’s about time that our suburban and country sporting clubs rather than just the AFL got some support from the state government.”

The money for the Etihad Stadium upgrade will now be locked into the State Budget in 2018-19.

Under the government’s plan, more than $15 million would also be spent on upgrades at Albert Park, Yarra Bend, and other “key suburban sporting precincts”.

Another $18 million would go towards a Significant Sporting Events Program which will fund more than 75 major events on the sporting calendar every year.

The Andrews Government says that about half of those national and international quality events would be held in regional Victoria.

matthew.johnston@news.com.au
I see that part of the deal is that the AFL must make Etihad available to other codes and seating is to be brought in closer to the sidelines for rectangular sports. This gives the NRL another option for SOO, and Storm an bigger venue for big finals should crowds grow. SOO there much better than the MCG and Storm got more than 30k to a final v Parra there 10 or so years ago. So some good news for RL.
 
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