The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Stormwarrior82]

I do realize that memberships are different to crowds. Maybe I’m just a bit more optimistic than most on here.

Facts:
storm approaching 25k members
Crowd average 2018: 16469 at AAMI Park
Leaving a 66% member/crowd conversion rate.

Storm have increased there membership 10k over the past 3 yrs. now I accept in the coming years it will be harder for storm due to the big 3 (smith/slater/Bellamy) leaving at some stage but the fan engagement from the storm is amazing. A 15k increase to 40k members over 10yrs isn’t unreasonable.

30k 19800
35k 23100
40k 26400

45k members is the storms number for a 66% conversion number to get 29700 crowd average which is basically unattainable.

I really hope I’m right for rugby leagues sake.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

If the storm are averagi

I do realize that memberships are different to crowds. Maybe I’m just a bit more optimistic than most on here.

Facts:
storm approaching 25k members
Crowd average 2018: 16469 at AAMI Park
Leaving a 66% member/crowd conversion rate.

Storm have increased there membership 10k over the past 3 yrs. now I accept in the coming years it will be harder for storm due to the big 3 (smith/slater/Bellamy) leaving at some stage but the fan engagement from the storm is amazing. A 15k increase to 40k members over 10yrs isn’t unreasonable.

30k 19800
35k 23100
40k 26400

45k members is the storms number for a 66% conversion number to get 29700 crowd average which is basically unattainable.

I really hope I’m right for rugby leagues sake.

I agree with these points. Melbourne has a sports attendance culture too, so the Storm average crowd will continue to climb, faster in periods of success and slower in periods where they aren't so good but I can see them climbing to comfortably average 25k within a decade which is about where they will settle. A very good outcome for our sport.

 

[Billythekid]

I do realize that memberships are different to crowds. Maybe I’m just a bit more optimistic than most on here.

Facts:
storm approaching 25k members
Crowd average 2018: 16469 at AAMI Park
Leaving a 66% member/crowd conversion rate.

Storm have increased there membership 10k over the past 3 yrs. now I accept in the coming years it will be harder for storm due to the big 3 (smith/slater/Bellamy) leaving at some stage but the fan engagement from the storm is amazing. A 15k increase to 40k members over 10yrs isn’t unreasonable.

30k 19800
35k 23100
40k 26400

45k members is the storms number for a 66% conversion number to get 29700 crowd average which is basically unattainable.

I really hope I’m right for rugby leagues sake.

Way too optimistic IMO. Back to the point though, even IF that optimistic scenario panned out I still think AAMI would be fine. Imagine seeing that stadium packed to the brim week in week out.

 

[macavity]

If the storm are averagi


I agree with these points. Melbourne has a sports attendance culture too, so the Storm average crowd will continue to climb, faster in periods of success and slower in periods where they aren't so good but I can see them climbing to comfortably average 25k within a decade which is about where they will settle. A very good outcome for our sport.

They haven’t had a bad year for what 15 years? Let’s see how it goes when their golden run ends.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

They haven’t had a bad year for what 15 years? Let’s see how it goes when their golden run ends.

Their crowds will drop, of course but they are a well run club and in the NRL comp, the salary cap allows well run clubs to return to the top pretty quickly. With each stint at the top their supporter base will grow a little more.

Melbourne, in addition has an attendance culture moreso than other cities in Australia too. They've only been in the NRL for 20 years and they've grown the second highest average attendances in the league.

 

[azza29]

You'd probably need two of AAMI's tenants to be regularly selling out to warrant an upgrade, Storm on their own won't get it as they'll just push the big games to Etihad. But this is a long way off given the Rebels crowds currently struggle to fill a bus, and the A-League attendances will soften even more if Melbourne gets a third team in that comp.

 

[Jamberoo]

I do realize that memberships are different to crowds. Maybe I’m just a bit more optimistic than most on here.

Facts:
storm approaching 25k members
Crowd average 2018: 16469 at AAMI Park
Leaving a 66% member/crowd conversion rate.

Storm have increased there membership 10k over the past 3 yrs. now I accept in the coming years it will be harder for storm due to the big 3 (smith/slater/Bellamy) leaving at some stage but the fan engagement from the storm is amazing. A 15k increase to 40k members over 10yrs isn’t unreasonable.

30k 19800
35k 23100
40k 26400

45k members is the storms number for a 66% conversion number to get 29700 crowd average which is basically unattainable.

I really hope I’m right for rugby leagues sake.

Or you could look at it this way.
In their first three seasons Storm averaged 13500 in a stadium that help 20k. In the last three seasons they have averaged 16,000 in a stadiums that holds 30k.
So, and increase of less than 20% in 20 years. Around 1% per year. At this rate they will start filling AAMI regularly in 2103.
By the way, here in Melbourne memberships bear no relation to crowds. E.g. my AFL team Hawthorn had 40k members in 2008, and have 80k this year, yet average crowds will be lower. Memberships are growing across both codes, but crowds are not.

 

[TheRam]

They haven’t had a bad year for what 15 years? Let’s see how it goes when their golden run ends.

Also they haven't had 1 non Maori\Islander junior ever come through their lower grades. How good can their junior development be going? I mean not one. For all the so called advancements down there nothing has changed as far as getting the kids to embrace it and play, which we all know is the only way to get the next generation of rusted on fans that will elevate the sport long term.

We will see a huge decline in the Storm attendances and brand as soon as they have a couple of years of non semi final football without Slater and Smith. Of that you can be assured. The kids is where any sport is measured by, and they just don't have them. Fair weather fans are available to all codes. The trick is to get the hearts and minds of the kiddies and the women.

That doesn't look like it has happened at all.

 

[El Diablo]

Also they haven't had 1 non Maori\Islander junior ever come through their lower grades. How good can their junior development be going? I mean not one.

 

[beave]

TheRam has outdone himself yet again.

Who gives a shit if the Storms local jnrs are polynesian you racist f**k.

 

[Perth Red]

Also they haven't had 1 non Maori\Islander junior ever come through their lower grades. How good can their junior development be going? I mean not one. For all the so called advancements down there nothing has changed as far as getting the kids to embrace it and play, which we all know is the only way to get the next generation of rusted on fans that will elevate the sport long term.

We will see a huge decline in the Storm attendances and brand as soon as they have a couple of years of non semi final football without Slater and Smith. Of that you can be assured. The kids is where any sport is measured by, and they just don't have them. Fair weather fans are available to all codes. The trick is to get the hearts and minds of the kiddies and the women.

That doesn't look like it has happened at all.

Their development pathways were not helped by the NSWRL being dcks and kicking them out of the HM and SG ball comps! I'm not sure what the ratio of jnrs needed to produce 1 NRL first grader is but Id think its a lot? I know in our 5 years of significant investment in Jnr's we have only produced Waqa Blake and Curtis Rona so far in NRL and Adam Quinlan in SL.
Have to also remember these states dont have the benefits of pokie dens funding Jnr development. The millions put into Jnr development in Qland and NSW is on the back of pokie generated revenue, something the Storm, Perth, NT etc dont have the luxury of.

 

[El Diablo]

TheRam has outdone himself yet again.

Who gives a shit if the Storms local jnrs are polynesian you racist f**k.

he doesn't like too many in one team as he believes even though they are physically stronger than whites they are intellectually inferior and you can't have a team full of muscle and no brains

the guy is a racist f**kwit

 

[TheRam]

Their development pathways were not helped by the NSWRL being dcks and kicking them out of the HM and SG ball comps! I'm not sure what the ratio of jnrs needed to produce 1 NRL first grader is but Id think its a lot? I know in our 5 years of significant investment in Jnr's we have only produced Waqa Blake and Curtis Rona so far in NRL and Adam Quinlan in SL.
Have to also remember these states dont have the benefits of pokie dens funding Jnr development. The millions put into Jnr development in Qland and NSW is on the back of pokie generated revenue, something the Storm, Perth, NT etc dont have the luxury of.

This may all be true but the Storm/NRL have spent over $20m over the last 20 years from what I understand with zip result. Not a good sign for the long term.

 

[Perth Red]

This may all be true but the Storm/NRL have spent over $20m over the last 20 years from what I understand with zip result. Not a good sign for the long term.

TBF that money is for growing a successful NRL club. If the NRL want to grow grassroots RL they need to be giving more funding to NRLVic.

On the flip side of the Storms lack of local talent they have taken young Qland talent and NZ talent and developed them into something special which has benefited SOO and International RL. With so few first grade options in NZ and Qland, Storms development of these players has helped the game in those areas.

NRL clubs without pokie dens are mostly doing very little in terms of Jnr development, and there is an argument they shouldn't be. Thats what the State leagues are for.

Storm have reasonable development pathways in place from U16's up now, what the State needs is more kids playing under 15 and that is the responsibility of the NRL.

ps they've spent a sht load more than $20m, they spend that a year now!

 

[TheRam]

And for all you imbeciles for the umpteenth time, the reason I have pointed out the lack of non Maori/Islander juniors is because Maori/Islander are rusted on supporters of the game. Hardly converts.

When we, if ever start to produce non Maori/Islander from Victoria then we can say with some certainty that the game is actually making positive strides in that market place. Till then they are more or less just a bunch of band wagoners.

 

[BlueandGold]

This may all be true but the Storm/NRL have spent over $20m over the last 20 years from what I understand with zip result. Not a good sign for the long term.

The AFL is spending 45m a year on GCS and GWS.

900m over 20years if it continues.

For very little results.

NRL is doing just fine with storm.

 

[TheRam]

TBF that money is for growing a successful NRL club. If the NRL want to grow grassroots RL they need to be giving more funding to NRLVic.

On the flip side of the Storms lack of local talent they have taken young Qland talent and NZ talent and developed them into something special which has benefited SOO and International RL. With so few first grade options in NZ and Qland, Storms development of these players has helped the game in those areas.

NRL clubs without pokie dens are mostly doing very little in terms of Jnr development, and there is an argument they shouldn't be. Thats what the State leagues are for.

Storm have reasonable development pathways in place from U16's up now, what the State needs is more kids playing under 15 and that is the responsibility of the NRL.

ps they've spent a sht load more than $20m, they spend that a year now!

Sure I agree with all that. But I am only referring to the money spent by both the NRL and Storm on junior development. That is in the vicinity of around $20m over the last couple of decades from what I have heard on shows like 360 and the like.

With nothing other then developing out of state juniors to show for it. Very disappointing to say the least.

 

[TheRam]

The AFL is spending 45m a year on GCS and GWS.

900m over 20years if it continues.

For very little results.

NRL is doing just fine with storm.

Haven't they produced juniors that have gone on to be regular 1st graders? That is all I am saying and as time moves on the trickle becomes a current, becomes a wave, becomes a tsunami. We have produced NO ONE!

They are in it for the long haul, 30-50 year plan as stated by their board. We are in it for the powerful clubs as stated by everyone who knows anything about RL for the last 110 years.

 

[Jamberoo]

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The AFL is spending 45m a year on GCS and GWS.

900m over 20years if it continues.

For very little results.

NRL is doing just fine with storm.

Not really. There are only 16 RL clubs in Victoria (not including a coupe of Riverina clubs like Wodonga), all in outer suburbs or towns just outside Melbourne - there is not one club within 20km of AAMI Park where most of Melbourne lives. There are just over 100 teams so perhaps 1500 - 1800 players. It is growing, but from a very low base.

I don’t know why you guys are always comparing RL with AFL, there are about 800 AFL teams in NSW, including more than 100 (2000 players) in Western Sydney comps.

 

[TheRam]

The AFL's mission is when you guys who are now in your 30's and oblivious to the encroaching danger, are in your 60's that the people under 30 at that time will be at the very least duel supporters and have been part of AFL junior leagues throughout the northern States. It will be very normal to be a AFL junior player growing up and therefore a supporter of their hideous claptrap of a crime they call a game.

We don't have such lofty ambitions and there in lies the problem.