The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[herbert henry1908]

https://dailyfootballshow.com/western-melbourne-group-plans-european-football-metropolis/

I don't believe the pics of the stadium though. Bit of fluff imo. They claim it to be 15000 capacity.
It looks way more than that, so the pics will be nothing like the final product.
Still, it's rectangular, and it's in Mexico. Good stuff.

It looks almost identical to the Western Sydney stadium. The roof in particular.

No way private money funds it, even at 15k you’d be looking at $200m.

 

[TheRam]

racist knob

You..........total KNOB.

 

[beave]

https://www.wswanderersfc.com.au/video/western-sydney-stadium-update-may-2018


Love this stadium. Such a
simple design but carried out superbly. NQ first visit there I will be coming down for.....


I still think the NW and SW corner where the stands meet up with the Western stand will either have no seats or highly obstructed views due to the actual front of the western stand.

I can’t really see if the support beams in that area have the stepped beams to accomdate the concrete pre-casts though, if it’s not stepped then you’d have to think it wont have any seating. The original design pics had seating the whole way round.

 

[Suitman]

https://www.wswanderersfc.com.au/video/western-sydney-stadium-update-may-2018


Love this stadium. Such a
simple design but carried out superbly. NQ first visit there I will be coming down for.....


I still think the NW and SW corner where the stands meet up with the Western stand will either have no seats or highly obstructed views due to the actual front of the western stand.

I can’t really see if the support beams in that area have the stepped beams to accomdate the concrete pre-casts though, if it’s not stepped then you’d have to think it wont have any seating. The original design pics had seating the whole way round.

Make of these pics what you will Beave.
It does appear that they have an angle on both those corners for the limit of the seating.

 

[thorson1987]

Make of these pics what you will Beave.
It does appear that they have an angle on both those corners for the limit of the seating.

That corporate side kinda reminds me of La Bombonera

 

[Suitman]

That corporate side kinda reminds me of La Bombonera

Indeed.
It's not the first time this has been suggested.
Not just here, but on other websites as well.
La Bombonera takes it to a whole new level though. Literally, as well as atmosphere wise.
An amazing stadium!

 

[Quidgybo]

Thought for the day:

Would we as a game and Rabbitohs and Bulldogs fans specifically be better off angling for a clone of the new Parra Stadiumto as an extra ground at Homebush, leaving ANZ untouched and only used for Origin and Grand Finals? So Homebush would end up with three stadiums, two smaller game specific grounds - oval and rectangular - and one larger general purpose ground for big events (much like how Wembley is used). Sure, we’d still be stuck with a less than ideal venue for one Origin and the Grand Final, but 24 regular season games would be so much better off. And it’d cost a lot less than redeveloping ANZ (or split the cost with smaller upgrades at ANZ)

Leigh

 

[siv]

Not a fan of that sort of coroprate tier structure. Should have seats below and above

Would also limit it to 2 levels of corportate boxes

 

[herbert henry1908]

Thought for the day:

Would we as a game and Rabbitohs and Bulldogs fans specifically be better off angling for a clone of the new Parra Stadiumto as an extra ground at Homebush, leaving ANZ untouched and only used for Origin and Grand Finals? So Homebush would end up with three stadiums, two smaller game specific grounds - oval and rectangular - and one larger general purpose ground for big events (much like how Wembley is used). Sure, we’d still be stuck with a less than ideal venue for one Origin and the Grand Final, but 24 regular season games would be so much better off. And it’d cost a lot less than redeveloping ANZ (or split the cost with smaller upgrades at ANZ)

Leigh

I’ve thought about this too, would actually be cheaper for the govt.

But I think they’ll say it’s too close to Western Sydney Stadium to justify.

Ideally we’d get a really good club mode at ANZ stadium, which would totally block out the upper tiers, this would be a pretty good compromise. I fear they’ll drop the club mode in the new design though.

With my non rugby league hat, Sydney really should have a proper 70k+ rectangular stadium for international events.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Not a fan of that sort of coroprate tier structure. Should have seats below and above

Would also limit it to 2 levels of corportate boxes

Does have seats below.

Having all the corporate stuff on one side make the stadium cheaper to operate.

 

[beave]

Agreed. All the hospitality facilities are contained within one stand, all the staff are within one stand, makes absolute sense for mine. I think the new NQ stadium has gone down a similar path.

Speaking of the new NQ fortress, Hoping a good mate of mine sends me some pics of the NQ stadium progress this week..... the club and local media up there have dropped the ball on the stadium IMO, i understand the pilings and earth compaction is probably not really ‘sexy’ to post articles about but the stands have been going up for the last 3 or so weeks, there should be a weekly pic update for us stadium nerds

 

[Saint Doc]

Thought for the day:

Would we as a game and Rabbitohs and Bulldogs fans specifically be better off angling for a clone of the new Parra Stadiumto as an extra ground at Homebush, leaving ANZ untouched and only used for Origin and Grand Finals? So Homebush would end up with three stadiums, two smaller game specific grounds - oval and rectangular - and one larger general purpose ground for big events (much like how Wembley is used). Sure, we’d still be stuck with a less than ideal venue for one Origin and the Grand Final, but 24 regular season games would be so much better off. And it’d cost a lot less than redeveloping ANZ (or split the cost with smaller upgrades at ANZ)

Leigh

Construction might be cheaper but
- would have to acquire land within SOP
- would have to maintain two stadiums - twice the upkeep, electricity, water, maintenance
- business case is worse...it’s all about return on investment. If you already have the NRL business, why spend hundreds of millions that doesn’t attract anything new? Part of the business case for ANZ would include attracting extra events for sure- World Cups, concerts, etc. a second small stadium doesn’t do this.

 

[Perth Red]

Why would the nsw Govt build two stadiums that would directly compete with each other just 11kms apart?
Bulldogs and Wests should be at wss and Souths at new allianz with reciprocal member games at wss for their fans in the West.

 

[Quidgybo]

Construction might be cheaper but
- would have to acquire land within SOP
- would have to maintain two stadiums - twice the upkeep, electricity, water, maintenance
- business case is worse...it’s all about return on investment. If you already have the NRL business, why spend hundreds of millions that doesn’t attract anything new? Part of the business case for ANZ would include attracting extra events for sure- World Cups, concerts, etc. a second small stadium doesn’t do this.

Yep, I get all that. Just looking at what would be best for Rugby League and specifically the clubs that play out of Homebush. As a game providing so much of the primary content at major stadiums we’re not entirely without leverage here. While the politics focuses so much on the immediate big dollar cost, it might be possible to play the short term interests of the political parties against each other for a better outcome for the game - even if in the long term it’d actually be a costlier outcome for the state.

Leigh.

 

[Quidgybo]

Why would the nsw Govt build two stadiums that would directly compete with each other just 11kms apart?
Bulldogs and Wests should be at wss and Souths at new allianz with reciprocal member games at wss for their fans in the West.

That’s not going to happen for the simple fact that Souths don’t want to play in the east at Moore Park. Their own research has told them that the majority of their fans live *west* of Homebush. From the point of view of distance, public transport and parking it’d be a much worse situation than what they have today even with no change.

We’ve got to play the politics of the situation for the best outcome possible for Rugby League, not necessarily the most sensible outcome for the state. The politics is dictating that what really matters to voters is the immediate construction costs and how that balances against schools and hospitals. Long term considerations like maintenance, strategic placement etc have become almost irrelevant as the debate has sharpened onto just the big dollar figure.

So with that in mind, perhaps we as a game can “win” this debate for Rugby League by saying...

“Look, this whole thing started at $2.4b+ to rebuild both Allianz and ANZ. The government have scaled it back to $1.8b to rebuild Allianz ($700m) and refit ANZ ($1.1). But because our fans are battlers and tax payers, and we want to help NSW put even more into schools and hospitals, Rugby League is willing to sacrifice even more.

“We’ll settle for just a Parra style 32,000 seat ground at Alliance for around $400m and just a new small boutique ground at Homebush for around $350m (in reality just another Parra clone). And we won’t spend anything on the barely 18 year old ANZ. Look! Another $1b for schools and hospitals! Isn’t Rugby League great?”​

It’s a shell game of course, but no one ever said politics has to produce outcomes that make sense. Just outcomes that satisfy self interest.

Leigh (aka Francis Urquhart)

 

[Quidgybo]

Having all the corporate stuff on one side make the stadium cheaper to operate.

Agreed. All the hospitality facilities are contained within one stand, all the staff are within one stand, makes absolute sense for mine.

And crucially it emphasises the true size of the crowd by putting most of it where the television cameras can see it! That’s rather important in this age where image is everything, most of the audience actually watches the game on television and they judge whether events are worth attending based on what they see... on television.

Leigh.

 

[Marlins]

How much money would Belmore need to be turned into a 30k decent Stadium?

Edit: and would it be worth while?

 

[Last Week]

That’s not going to happen for the simple fact that Souths don’t want to play in the east at Moore Park. Their own research has told them that the majority of their fans live *west* of Homebush. From the point of view of distance, public transport and parking it’d be a much worse situation than what they have today even with no change.

We’ve got to play the politics of the situation for the best outcome possible for Rugby League, not necessarily the most sensible outcome for the state. The politics is dictating that what really matters to voters is the immediate construction costs and how that balances against schools and hospitals. Long term considerations like maintenance, strategic placement etc have become almost irrelevant as the debate has sharpened onto just the big dollar figure.

So with that in mind, perhaps we as a game can “win” this debate for Rugby League by saying...

“Look, this whole thing started at $2.4b+ to rebuild both Allianz and ANZ. The government have scaled it back to $1.8b to rebuild Allianz ($700m) and refit ANZ ($1.1). But because our fans are battlers and tax payers, and we want to help NSW put even more into schools and hospitals, Rugby League is willing to sacrifice even more.

“We’ll settle for just a Parra style 32,000 seat ground at Alliance for around $400m and just a new small boutique ground at Homebush for around $350m (in reality just another Parra clone). And we won’t spend anything on the barely 18 year old ANZ. Look! Another $1b for schools and hospitals! Isn’t Rugby League great?”​

It’s a shell game of course, but no one ever said politics has to produce outcomes that make sense. Just outcomes that satisfy self interest.

Leigh (aka Francis Urquhart)

If we were going down that path, wouldn't a Parra clone be more useful in Liverpool?

 

[herbert henry1908]

How much money would Belmore need to be turned into a 30k decent Stadium?

Edit: and would it be worth while?

Completely bare bones $200m

Similar to Parra $350m

Can’t see how it could happen.

Would also be a weird looking stadium because nothing is possible on the train line end.

Dogs are honestly better off biting the bullet and playing out of western Sydney stadium.

 

[herbert henry1908]

If we were going down that path, wouldn't a Parra clone be more useful in Liverpool?

Yeah good point, dogs & tigers could share a Liverpool venue. Possibly a future SW Aleague team too.

3 tenants might just get something off the ground.