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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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The NSW coalition government should not be making hasty decisions in it's last days of term. They should have always taken this to the electorate rather than rubbing the backs of merkins who will be giving them a job in the future.

Having gone to Jubilee over the weekend for A-League, the SFS is the light years ahead. Give it a refurb. The only merkins who care about the placement of the corporate boxes (and this is the main reason for tearing it down and rebuilding it) are the trust.

Bad decisions have been made in the past, and I guarantee bad decisions will continue to be made, wasting a shit load of public money. This is NSW after all. Nothing is ever done right.

Hasty decision?

They’ve been mulling this for 4 years now, various plans have been put forward. This last plan has been under consideration for 18 months.

Nothing about this has been hasty.
 
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Also @big hit!, moving the corporate boxes is not the only important reason.

The roof is appalling

There’s hardly any female toilets

There’s no female changerooms

There are some safety considerations, particularly access/egress related.


Any refurb is going to run into the hundreds of millions.
 

Perth Tiger

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Having spent this weekend in Sydney and seen how many people are sleeping in doorways down George St there would certainly be a strong social argument for the money to go on other things, however since the time of the Romans the building of grandiose sports stadiums for the plebeians has been seen as a sign of a communities success and prosperity. Sydney is falling behind the countries other cities for sporting stadiums and might as well be now as ten years when it will cost more. I suspect the constant arguing over which stadium to do and how hasn't helped public confidence.

The good thing is there is a clear party split on this so the public will get to vote accordingly which is unusual in this day and age of safe middle politics.

You can make the same argument with Perth with the growing amount of homeless filling up the city yet everyone here is very happy with the new stadium and all the events it is attracting.
 

Pommy

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The NSW coalition government should not be making hasty decisions in it's last days of term. They should have always taken this to the electorate rather than rubbing the backs of merkins who will be giving them a job in the future.

Having gone to Jubilee over the weekend for A-League, the SFS is the light years ahead. Give it a refurb. The only merkins who care about the placement of the corporate boxes (and this is the main reason for tearing it down and rebuilding it) are the trust.

Bad decisions have been made in the past, and I guarantee bad decisions will continue to be made, wasting a shit load of public money. This is NSW after all. Nothing is ever done right.

Giving Jubilee a refurb over SFS would be wasting a shit load of public money.
 

Perth Red

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You can make the same argument with Perth with the growing amount of homeless filling up the city yet everyone here is very happy with the new stadium and all the events it is attracting.

Not everybody but most people are now its been built. We heard exactly the same thing from some quarters in WA, I guess having two new hospitals being built at the same time probably helped the Govt avoid that flack. Could you imagine Perth Tiger if we still had PMH and they had spent a $billion on a new stadium? I think you would have heard some very different commentary. Me personally, as much as I love the new stadium, if it was that or a $billion to mental health Id have voted for the latter.
 

Perth Tiger

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Not everybody but most people are now its been built. We heard exactly the same thing from some quarters in WA, I guess having two new hospitals being built at the same time probably helped the Govt avoid that flack. Could you imagine Perth Tiger if we still had PMH and they had spent a $billion on a new stadium? I think you would have heard some very different commentary. Me personally, as much as I love the new stadium, if it was that or a $billion to mental health Id have voted for the latter.
Yes but it is never an either or proposition. Governments are capable of doing more than one thing at a time.
 

El Diablo

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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/64096580d99b8a16606f8a802b2c7c7f

Sydney risks losing NRL grand final if Labor scraps stadium plans

Dean Ritchie, The Daily Telegraph
November 27, 2018 2:07pm


The iconic NRL grand final could be hijacked from Sydney and sensationally shifted to Brisbane or Melbourne while the Harbour City also faces losing State of Origin games if Labor wins the State election in March.

NSW Opposition leader, Michael Daley’s pledge yesterday that if elected his Government would refuse to fund a $730 million demolish and rebuild of Sydney Football Stadium at Moore Park would void an exclusive NRL Memorandum of Understanding with the NSW Government to play grand finals in Sydney for the next 25 years.

Well-placed sources say Queensland and Victoria would “be queuing up” to pinch the famous grand final from Sydney.

The Daily Telegraph understands the SCG Trust funded construction of the original Sydney Football Stadium — also known as Allianz Stadium — at a cost of $68m in 1988.

Sources close to the SCG claim a $730m bill — without Government assistance — would send the Trust broke. Allianz Stadium has been decommissioned since September.

The NRL’s Memorandum of Understanding requires new stadiums at Moore Park and Western Sydney along with a major upgrade of Sydney Olympic Park. In return, the NRL earlier this year agreed to play a grand final and State of Origin match in Sydney until 2042.

An angry NRL chief executive CEO Todd Greenberg stressed if Allianz Stadium was not rebuilt, the agreement would be declared invalid.

“In other words, we would have the option to take the grand final to other states,” Greenberg said. “We want this stadiums agreement to proceed.

“We have already had strong interest from other states wanting to host the grand final. Our strong preference is to see the new stadiums built and to keep the grand final in NSW but clearly if the MoU is not honoured we have to consider all options.”

Premiership deciders in rugby league have been played in Sydney since 1908 — the only exception being the 1997 Super League grand final in Brisbane.

Nick Politis, chairman of the Sydney Roosters, an Allianz Stadium tenant, said Daley was simply echoing the sentiments of his dumped predecessor, Luke Foley. “What’s new? What’s changed?,” Politis said.
 

El Diablo

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/sy...um-spend-stops-greenberg-20181127-p50iq6.html

Sydney will lose NRL grand final if stadium spend stops: Greenberg
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The 2019 NRL grand final will be the last one played in Sydney in the foreseeable future if an elected NSW Labor party makes good on its promise to stop stadium infrastructure spending.

Labor leader Michael Daley has turned the stadium debate into an election issue, vowing to redirect the entire $1.5 billion allocated by the Berejiklian government from stadium upgrades towards investment into schools and hospitals.

If Daley is successful at the ballot box, that would effectively void the memorandum of understanding entered into between the NRL and the NSW government. Under the MOU, the NRL grand final and State of Origin games would remain in Sydney for the next 25 years if Allianz, ANZ and Western Sydney Stadiums were rebuilt or upgraded.

As part of the agreement, the 2020 NRL decider would be played at the Sydney Cricket Ground while the adjacent Allianz Stadium was unavailable. However, if the government changes its position, the 2019 grand final will be the last played in the harbour city before the NRL is forced to take the showpiece event to either Brisbane or Melbourne.

"Clearly, if we don’t have the very best stadiums, we will have to look at alternatives," said NRL CEO Todd Greenberg. "Our expectation is that the memorandum of understanding will be acknowledged and executed, which effectively means we will continue to play grand finals here and they will continue to build the stadiums around the network.

"It starts next year with Western Sydney, there’s clearly Allianz and Homebush.

"If that position changes, that forces us to make some changes to our strategy because ultimately we have a duty to both our fans and players who play in the biggest matches of the year to make sure they play them in the very best stadiums."

The NRL has already shown a willingness to take premium matches out of NSW. Magic Round - where all 16 teams play their round-nine fixtures at Suncorp Stadium in one weekend - will be held in Brisbane next year. Origin matches are also up for grabs, with at least one match of the series being taken out of the heartland states.

Daley said on Tuesday he would not be ‘‘bullied’’ by the NRL. “I am a reasonable person and I will sit down and talk with them but I will not be bullied by the NRL into capitulating,’’ he said. ‘‘There will be no free public money for their stadiums. I will always put schools and hospitals before stadiums.”

Any change to the stadium strategy will have huge ramifications for their sporting tenants, particularly at Allianz. The Roosters, the reigning NRL premiers, are ready to vacate their headquarters in January ahead of the demolition of their home ground. Roosters chairman Nick Politis said other state governments had made significant commitments to stadium infrastructure and NSW would fall even further behind if it didn’t follow suit.

"We are either going to be in the sports business or not as a city," Politis said. "We want to try to match Melbourne. (We can have) a facility here with the cricket ground close to the airport, close to the city with the light rail coming through.

"They are going to have it so you can walk up from Central Station like you do at Melbourne.

"We’ve got to be patient but when it comes good it will be fantastic."

Sydney FC chairman Scott Barlow was hopeful the stadium refurbishments and rebuilds would go ahead as originally slated.

"Those sorts of decisions are out of our hands," Barlow said. "We're obviously supportive of the new stadium being built and we've gone down that path this season, as we've moved out of Allianz and are playing out of three different stadiums.

"That's certainly our plan for the next three years... [as is] returning to a new state-of-the-art football stadium in 2020, but clearly those things are not our decisions to be made."

Greenberg said voters didn’t need to choose between new stadiums or schools or hospitals.

"I don’t think it’s a choice, I think you can do both," Greenberg said. "This government will spend $200 billion on infrastructure investment (in schools and hospitals) and about $1 billion of that is on stadiums.

"If you look at every other city in this country - we’ve played games in the new stadium in Perth, will will play in the new stadium in Adelaide, also at the MCG in Melbourne - we want to take our premium games to the very best facilities but unfortunately at this time Sydney is way behind. This infrastructure investment will make sure Sydney leads the way."
 

TheEroticGamer

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Why does the NRL want this stadium done so badly?

So their premiership winning team can look even worse when they draw 8 thousand fans to their games that are now in a stadium that has sparkly led lights?

There are improvements you can make to this stadium of course. But you can say the same for other grounds and even claim they deserve it more when it comes to cases around geography, roofs and enough fans to justify increased capacity. Spending 900 million dollars on this is insane.

Also, I really hope discount Alf Stewart gets f***ed.
 

Saint Doc

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Why does the NRL want this stadium done so badly?

So their premiership winning team can look even worse when they draw 8 thousand fans to their games that are now in a stadium that has sparkly led lights?

There are improvements you can make to this stadium of course. But you can say the same for other grounds and even claim they deserve it more when it comes to cases around geography, roofs and enough fans to justify increased capacity. Spending 900 million dollars on this is insane.

Also, I really hope discount Alf Stewart gets f***ed.

the government has offered to spend $2billion on intrastructure that the NRL can use and make money off.

If the government offered to spend $2bil on your workplace so your company could make more money, would you say no?
 

El Diablo

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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/a1dc5bd9361e534239b504d597e9458a

NRL rallies 200,000 fans to protest Labor’s stadium plans

Anna Caldwell & Dean Ritchie, The Daily Telegraph
in an hour


The NRL is prepared to go to war with Labor over plans to cut off government funding for Sydney stadiums with football bosses Todd Greenberg and Peter Beattie set to meet new leader Michael Daley on Tuesday to oppose the policy.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal the NRL is rallying 200,000 fans to protest Mr Daley’s refusal to spend $1.5 billion of taxpayer money on stadiums, with Mr Greenberg writing directly to league’s nine Sydney clubs urging them to loudly speak out.

The NRL has warned that any changes to the planned upgrade of Sydney’s major stadiums risks the future of 25 years of grand finals in the city.

It comes as Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday labelled Labor’s plan “reckless”, saying “who thinks it’s okay to have second or third class infrastructure? I don’t think it’s okay”.

Mr Daley told Daily Telegraph yesterday he was confident that he could strike a deal to keep grand finals in Sydney, pointing out the major matches were not played at Allianz anyway.

“The grand final and State of Origin are going nowhere. If I’m elected Premier I’ll work with the rugby league to make sure they do stay. But the stadiums are very big commercial entities and they need to be able to stand on their own two feet — there’s no reason why the taxpayers should have to fork out to keep topping them up,” he said.

Mr Daley expects the SCG Trust and ANZ stadium to finance their upgrades themselves, which would mean helping the Trust get a $730 million concessional loan if Allianz stadium is demolished as planned by March.

But The Daily Telegraph has obtained a letter in which Mr Greenberg blasts the new Labor leader over his position.

In the letter Greenberg writes: “I write to express to express the NRL’s disappointment about Labor’s opposition to investing in the Sydney stadia network. You may be aware that I recently wrote to you to congratulate you on your appointment as NSW Opposition Leader and to seek a meeting to discuss NSW Labor’s position on Sydney stadia.

“It is unfortunate that we were not able to meet and discuss this important issue before you announced Labor would withdraw all funding committed to the renewal of the Sydney Football Stadium and ANZ Stadium.

“Had we been able to meet, I would have explained that the NRL has an agreement with the NSW Government committing the NRL to play major event content including grand final, State of Origin and final series matches (where a Sydney based NRL Club is the home team) for the next 25 years in the Sydney stadia network, in exchange for the delivery of a new Western Sydney Stadium, new Sydney Football Stadium and refurbished rectangular ANZ Stadium.

“This content alone would deliver over $1.7 billion in economic benefit to the state.”

He reiterated his threat to take the grand final interstate, saying:

“Should Labor be elected at the next State election and renege on the committed Sydney stadia investments the NRL reserves its right to take the grand final to other States.”

The MoU requires new stadia at Moore Park, Western Sydney along with a major upgrade of Sydney Olympic Park.

It is understood Governments in Queensland and Victoria are already holding internal discussions about bidding for the NRL grand final.

Former Broncos, Queensland and Test forward Gorden Tallis said: “It would fantastic for Queensland, absolutely — a big boost for Queensland and Suncorp Stadium.”

Greenberg told Daley NSW’s stadiums were crumbling.

“NSW has fallen way behind Victoria, South Australia, Queensland and Western Australia which all have modern stadia,” Greenberg said.

“We want to play our premium content in the country’s best venues so that our fans and players get the world-class experiences they deserve.

“Unfortunately decades of neglect and poor planning means Sydney does not have the high quality venues befitting a city that pitches itself as Australia’s only global city.

“The current Government’s plans would go a long way to correcting this by 2022, however Labor’s policy would condemn Sydney and NSW to being Australia’s laggard for the foreseeable future.”

Rugby league premiership deciders have been played in Sydney since 1908 — the only exception being the 1997 Super League grand final in Brisbane.

Allianz Stadium has been decommissioned since September.

“Ultimately we want the current stadia agreement to proceed so that Sydney has the world class sporting venues that the state’s sporting fans deserve,” Greenberg wrote.

“Our strong preference is to see the new stadia built and to keep the grand final in NSW, but clearly if the agreement is not honoured we have to consider all options.

“We want our NRL grand final to be one of many major events on a Sydney sporting and entertainment calendar that is the envy of the world. However, we are not willing to make long term commitments to play our major events in venues that are not world class.

“On behalf of all rugby league fans I urge you to reconsider your position and remain willing to meet with you to discuss this important issue.”
 

El Diablo

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where did they find this idiot?

thinks he decides where the GF is played and has no idea the tax payers own ANZ and Allianz lol
 

beave

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you know how I know this
merkin is a Vic-tard

‘If I’m elected Premier I’ll work with the rugby league to make sure they do stay.’
 

TheEroticGamer

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the government has offered to spend $2billion on intrastructure that the NRL can use and make money off.

If the government offered to spend $2bil on your workplace so your company could make more money, would you say no?
No.

But I'd want it to be spent on upgrading my company's technology, researching capabilities and increasing the capacity of quality workers we could employ. Not on a giant colorful ballpit next to the reception which no one will use anyway.
 

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