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Future NRL Stadiums

Perth Red

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Not stritcly speaking an NRL stadium but will increase Perth's chances of one day hosting origin, test and finals footy. The latest on Perth's 60k seat oval (with retractable lower tier seating)

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http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...p-closer-reality/story-e6frg13u-1226224019190
 

bobmar28

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It's would only be temp lowered and then by just a thousand or so, eventually the capacity when finished will be 25k all seater. I still say expand the Shed end and you could have 28k with 22k seats and 6k terrace standing.

25k all seater would be perfect.
 
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Since the other discussion got swallowed up by the Independent Commission thread, thought it might be worthwhile to repost the below stadium ownership table somewhere more stadium relevant.

ANZ - NSW Govt (Sydney Olympic Park Authority). Currently under a long term finance lease owned by Diversified Infrastructure Trust, an investment fund managed by ANZ.
SFS - NSW Govt through the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust
Mt Smart - Auckland Council
Dairy Farmers - Qld Govt managed by Stadiums Queensland
Lang - Qld Govt managed by Stadiums Queensland
Robina - Qld Govt managed by Stadiums Queensland
Hunter - NSW Govt through Venues NSW
Grahame - Managed by Singleton, not sure about ownership.
Brookvale - Warringah Council
Leichhardt - NSW Govt managed by Leichhardt Council (subsequently leased and managed by Balmain)
Parramatta - NSW Govt through Venues NSW
Penrith - NSW Govt managed by Penrith Council (assume subsequently leased and managed by Penrith Panthers)
Campbelltown - Campbelltown Council (unclear if directly or through NSW Govt trust)
Kogarah - NSW Govt managed by Kogarah Council (subsequently leased and managed by St George Leagues Club)
Cronulla - Cronulla Sharks (not sure the exact arrangement, but I beleive the leagues club owns the freehold land and football club owns the leasehold improvements)
WIN - NSW Govt through Venues NSW
Canberra - ACT Government
AAMI - Victoria Government through the Melbourne & Olympic Parks Trust
 

applesauce

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Good timing with the election around the corner.

CBD sports hub plan
JESSICA JOHNSTON | February 9th, 2012

THE masterplan for a new entertainment centre will be overhauled to incorporate a football stadium in a "super facility" city leaders hope will secure vital government funding.

The mega-venue, earmarked for Townsville's CBD, would co-locate homegrounds for both the Cowboys and Crocodiles, while having the capacity to lure international entertainers and conventions.

The proposal would replace bids for a separate convention centre and football stadium in the inner-city submitted to the State Government last year to replace the ageing Dairy Farmers Stadium and Townsville Entertainment and Convention Centre.

The heads of Townsville's major national sporting teams yesterday said they had joined forces to strengthen the case for the complex.

Cowboys CEO Peter Jourdain said the concept would provide huge benefits to both the clubs and the city.

"We can see some huge benefits in shared infrastructure and hopefully it will reduce the overall cost," Mr Jourdain said.

"It's better for the future of Townsville to work together.

"We would be trying to get this to work with the overall revitalisation of the CBD."

Crocodiles CEO Ian Smythe said the facility had the potential to be a city landmark, akin with The Strand and revitalised mall.

"It will be a signature project ... an iconic facility that people will be proud of," Mr Smythe said.

"It goes beyond sport. What we're trying to do is create Townsville as a genuine second capital and events city of North Queensland."

Playing fields, administration, recovery gyms and sport science facilities would be co-located for the clubs, while a transport hub tapping into new roads and railway linking the port have also been discussed.

hile the council and the Federal Government have each pledged $47.67 million to a convention centre, the State Government has been reluctant to come on board, instead commissioning a business case to assess the viability of the centre.

Plans submitted to the State Government for a $185 million stadium to replace Dairy Farmers identified a 17.28ha parcel of land bounded by Saunders St, and currently owned by QR National.

That plan included a 30,000-seat stadium, with 100 open-air corporate boxes, 25 enclosed corporate suites, two 450-seat function rooms and 24 permanent food and beverage outlets.

Dean St was earmarked for the 5200-seat convention centre, with 12 meeting rooms, over 300sqm of exhibition space and ballroom and banquet facilities to cater for 1800.

Townsville Enterprise CEO David Kippin yesterday said TEL would be asking for the State Government to revise the terms and conditions of the convention study to incorporate the new football stadium proposal.

"Maybe there is the prospect of a better reaction if we present an arguement of a combined facility."

Premier Anna Bligh yesterday said the government had a good history in putting funds into the "right kinds" of investment in Townsville.

So we've funded the business case. You can't put that much money into an investment until you know it's the right one."

Townsville MP Mandy Johnstone said the government was finalising terms of reference for a convention centre and said the relocation of Dairy Farmers Stadium to the CBD may have to be dealt with separately.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...s-find-new-places-to-play-20120214-1t4au.html

Forget talk of old homes, find new places to play
Richard Hinds
February 15, 2012

After league went Back to Belmore, the nostalgic notion of playing regular season games at the historic venue was floated. Meanwhile, Wests (and particularly) Tigers fans look forward to games at Leichhardt more than any other.

In any sport, there is yearning for uncomplicated times. If only a faded facade, dodgy plumbing and the stench of greasy food and beer made the average male as alluring as it can make a suburban ground.

But how much of the enduring love for the small and, by modern standards, not particularly comfortable old venues is a sign of dissatisfaction with Sydney's contemporary stadiums – the SFS and ANZ Stadium. The two venues that should have stolen the hearts of NRL fans long ago. How many of the 12,000 at Belmore on Sunday were happy because they were not at Homebush Bay?

Just as thousands of Manly fans decided not to attend the qualifying final against North Queensland at the SFS last year, a game that would have been packed out at Brookvale. The decision to watch a final on the TV was, no doubt, geographic. But, surely, more would have crossed the bridge if the SFS provided cutting-edge facilities.

Given the alternatives, there remains a strong case for playing at least the occasional game at suburban venues. Leichhardt will throb when Benji Marshall, Robbie Farah and the Tigers take on Cronulla's Paul Gallen and Todd Carney on March 4. But, surely, a season-opener of this magnitude would attract thousands more at a state-of-art stadium. A stadium that was an attraction in itself.

That stadium should – could – be the Sydney Football Stadium. A venue that is central, clean and functional, but one that lacks the bells and whistles that entice people to a grandstand, not just the game.

There is a master plan to upgrade the SFS, to perhaps even give it an extreme makeover. More comfortable seating, modern dining facilities and catering areas, luxury boxes and perhaps even the roof that keeps the fans and field dry and often enhances the atmospherics. But whether these expensive dreams are realised could depend on whether the NRL embraces the type of "ground rationalisation" that saw the AFL reduce Melbourne's functioning venues from 10 in 1980 to just two by 2005.

Officials enjoy comparisons with their southern rival about as much as a barbed-wire enema. However, the result in the AFL has been that nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

Those fans tempted to chain themselves to the bulldozers that ran through the old suburban ovals are now a minority. The aura of the constantly upgraded MCG coliseum, and the indoor luxury of Etihad Stadium, banish whimsical thoughts of provincial dung heaps. Superior stadiums are one major reason why 7.2million people attended football of various codes in Melbourne last year, and just 3.8million did so in Sydney.

NRL chief David Gallop is a believer in the "if you build it they will come" approach – that good stadiums, not just good games, attract healthy crowds. At the same time, he will appreciate the delicate cost-benefit analysis in any stadium development/redevelopment.

In Melbourne, the price of luxury is that crowds of up to 20,000 are required merely to break even at some games – a number NRL clubs could not sustain. At the same time, securing funding for an SFS redevelopment would not be easy. Especially given the AFL has already convinced various governments to part with hundreds of millions for redevelopments at the Adelaide Oval, Subiaco and the Gold Coast.

Perhaps an early test of the ARL Commission's will be its ability to pick the pockets of Minister for Sports, Graham Annesley.

ANZ Stadium? With the grandstands packed, you can evoke images of Cathy Freeman's run, John Aloisi's penalty or Jonny Wilkinson's drop-kick. With a few thousand in attendance, it is more like a night at the Wentworth Park greyhounds. It is a good, even outstanding, venue for Origin and NRL grand finals, but never likely to be a week-to-week mecca.

On the other hand, a redeveloped SFS would not only ensure the best games had the atmosphere they deserved but could ensure dated suburban grounds no longer seem like such an attractive alternative.
 

Perth Red

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Roofed SFS and a new 30k stadium in Sydney's West would sort it out, rationalise clubs into those two stadiums where possible and lets see the crowd Avg's crack 20k regularly.
 

beave

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Just on that Tvl CBD now combined stadium, by sheer coincidence the councillor who came up with the idea for it (Jenny Hill) knocked on my door the day that article came out. She was door knocking to garner support for her run at mayoral office and I asked her who was going to run the new joint if it gets bult as stadiums QLD are raping every other tenant in their stadiums. She said she doesn't want them near the joint as she knows what they're like. I wished her good luck with it because you can bet your bottom dollar that if the state gov tip a substantial amount of coin into it, they are going to want to manage the joint as well.

God knows we need a new stadium, DFS is getting terribly outdated. The main stand that houses the corporates and change rooms is an utter joke but if stadiums qld want to manage this new one and rape us blind every 2nd week then they can jam the new joint Stadium up their ass.
 

Dogs Of War

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Roofed SFS and a new 30k stadium in Sydney's West would sort it out, rationalise clubs into those two stadiums where possible and lets see the crowd Avg's crack 20k regularly.

It would have to be 40K in Sydney's west. I think otherwise it would become redundant to fast (given that a stadium should last at least 30yrs).

I always think that at Flemington Markets, there is the potential there to build a great stadium (and the markets could still exist, as it just isn't using the area like it used to anymore), great transport with the M4, Parramatta Rd to take you East/West, and Homebush bay drive to take you North/South. Also with Flemington station nearby, it has all the major train lines going past it to service the west. Not to mention the area sucks currently, and a stadium like this would revitalise the area somewhat.
 

juro

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If I was to rationalise Sydney's stadiums... (pie in the sky stuff):

Souths, Roosters, Dragons, Cronulla to play out of SFS.

Parra, Bulldogs, Wests, Panthers to play out of new western stadium, maybe somewhere around Liverpool.

Manly can keep Brookvale if they really want it. Otherwise, the would move to SFS too.

Stadium Australia (or whatever it is called now) to be used just for SOO and GF/big finals.
 

Dragonwest

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It would have to be 40K in Sydney's west. I think otherwise it would become redundant to fast (given that a stadium should last at least 30yrs).

I always think that at Flemington Markets, there is the potential there to build a great stadium (and the markets could still exist, as it just isn't using the area like it used to anymore), great transport with the M4, Parramatta Rd to take you East/West, and Homebush bay drive to take you North/South. Also with Flemington station nearby, it has all the major train lines going past it to service the west. Not to mention the area sucks currently, and a stadium like this would revitalise the area somewhat.

I don't pretend to know Western Sydney, but where ever a new stadium is located there needs to be easy access to both transport and entertainment (bars and restaurants). If both these conditions are not met then we will not grow our crowds significantly. AFL model works because young groups can go watch their team and make a night of it before and after; it's not all about the football but the specitical.
 

Dogs Of War

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If the ARLC could guarantee 4 NRL club tennants it might?

How much would a roof cost to put on it compared to a new stadium servicing the west? SFS is just too much of a journey for most people to make on a Friday night coming from the West. Which is why something a little closer would work better.
 

Dogs Of War

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I don't pretend to know Western Sydney, but where ever a new stadium is located there needs to be easy access to both transport and entertainment (bars and restaurants). If both these conditions are not met then we will not grow our crowds significantly. AFL model works because young groups can go watch their team and make a night of it before and after; it's not all about the football but the specitical.

Which is why I said that area. I would think that it would change the area a lot if something like this was built (and other than Homebush bay, there is nothing like that around), as there is the potential to put all those services in that area and not cost the world as it's mostly industrial that side of the train line, but Parramatta Rd is starting to see a lot of units being built up around there. Would also need to get soccer on board, so it's used during the offseason. Are they going to get a West Sydney based team? I know they were talking about building there own stadium, which really the NRL and A-League need to get together and get something which suits both codes very well, and make it harder for pollies to ignore.
 

beave

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I doubt Flemington would get a stadium built there, isn't it just over the M4 from homebush???
 

bazza

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I doubt Flemington would get a stadium built there, isn't it just over the M4 from homebush???

The olympic stadium is less than 3km away - I don't think Flemington will be getting a stadium any time soon
 

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