Future NRL Stadiums

[Yosemite Sam]

The problem is those places, especially Campbelltown and Penrith, have poor corporate facilities. And there is a lot of money in corporates that is not coming in for the teams in those stadiums,

Neither Penrith nor Campbelltown have 'poor' corporate facilities. In fact both these venues have more modern facilities than Parra. In terms of numbers you are right though, there simply aren't enough boxes to sell compared to the major venues.

 

[Perth Red]

Just on this whole rectangular v oval debate, something I've raised in TFC before is the conversion of ANZ to a permanently rectangular ground.

With the SCG currently being upgraded to a 50k-seater, it should become the city's primary cricket and fumbleball venue. The Swans and T20 cricket have stopped drawing crowds over 55k at ANZ so the SCG can easily accommodate them. In fact, the only sports that pack ANZ these days are 'rectangular' ones (GF, SOO, Bledisloe etc.). You would also play Thunder BBL games next door at Skoda or at the Blacktown AFL Oval since they don't have a lot of supporters.

You would bring in the stands at both the Northern and Southern ends at ANZ and then put a clear, unretractable roof over it and watch the crowds flood in.

Problem would be pitch of the stands, they would need to be very flat to not interfere with existing view lines. Ideally you want everyone as close to the action as you can be and that requires steep pitched stands, ala Suncorp. Most people would still be just as far away form the field even if you made it rectangular.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Converting SA from an all-purpose oval to footy field would be a nightmare. The stands are huge and it'd prob be cheaper just to start over somewhere else.

Besides, it's can host anything in the current config, can't see the NSW govt giving that up for anything.

 

[Big Sam]

Problem would be pitch of the stands, they would need to be very flat to not interfere with existing view lines. Ideally you want everyone as close to the action as you can be and that requires steep pitched stands, ala Suncorp. Most people would still be just as far away form the field even if you made it rectangular.

I'm only talking about the Nth and Sth ends that they redeveloped after the Olympics. You can see how far away are fans at those ends from this image:

In fact if you demolished those ends and put up steeper stands, you would probably raise the capacity.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Not sure it has been mentioned but the Gold Coast renegotiated their stadium deal, will save them a shitload.

Gold Coast Titans in push to win back fans in wake of debt crisis
Peter Badel
The Courier-Mail
February 16, 2013 11:00PM
THE Titans have brokered a new Skilled Park stadium deal that will save an estimated $300,000 in operating costs as part of a strategic push to win back Gold Coast fans following the debt crisis that nearly bankrupted the club.

Only 12 months ago, the Titans were fighting for survival, with NRL auditors having uncovered a $25million debt and crowds dropping 33per cent on the record numbers that had flocked to Skilled Park in 2008.

But under the stewardship of new chief executive David May, the Titans have formulated a blueprint to re-connect with the community.

The Sunday Mail can reveal:

The Titans have signed a new tenancy deal with Stadiums Queensland to remain at Robina's Skilled Park until the end of 2017.

The five-year arrangement can be reviewed on an annual basis to ensure hiring costs are palatable.

The Titans have hired a US firm that works with NFL clubs to deliver revolutionary structured-pricing deals to fans.

Any fan under 18, accompanied by a Titans member, will get free entry in a bid to boost crowds.

CEO May will take a leaf from English Premier League clubs and preside over a community forum later this month to hear feedback from fans.

Titans crowds have dipped alarmingly in recent years, with the average home gate of 14,405 last season well below the mark of 21,618 that attended Skilled Park fixtures four years ago.

May has identified several key reasons for the decline, including the side's flagging on-field performances, the general cost of attending games and the financial uncertainty that engulfed the Titans in recent seasons.

But the Gold Coast boss is determined to stop the rot and believes the revised stadium deal, which provides fiscal latitude for the club to slash ticket prices, can reignite the Titans and confidence in the club.

"We need to get Gold Coast people excited about being at Titans games again," May said.

"I think there is a general cloud of uncertainty we are trying to clear away and we are working hard to show the fans we are sustainable, we are on solid foundations and we will be here for the long-term.

"That stuff doesn't come overnight. We want people to have faith and trust in us and that doesn't come overnight. It comes from doing the right thing consistently over time.

"How much of a hit (the Titans brand) took is hard to say, but we have to cement relationships with the fans and we have a job to rebuild the community's faith in the Titans."

The Titans hope to double their membership base to around 11,000.

Some family tickets will average out at $9 per person as part of the Gold Coast's bid to swell home crowds beyond the 18,000 mark.

May, the former marketing guru at Jetstar, has also engaged a US ticketing firm to introduce pricing strategies traditionally associated with airline companies.

"We have an `early-bird' campaign where adults get entry at kids' prices by buying well in advance of games," he said.

May said the new stadium deal would provide savings to the club in terms of hiring and ancillary services such as police and transport costs.

It is believed the Titans outlaid around $100,000 to host a game at Skilled Park under the previous tenancy arrangement with Stadiums Queensland.

"The key thing I wanted out of the stadium deal was the ability to reduce ticket prices. We have done that.

"When you have a market doing it tough like the Gold Coast, the No.1 factor for families is the price of getting to the stadium and attending games," May said.

"We have budgeted for 15,000, but I would like to see us get 18,000. If we can average in that area then it will help the team's performances. I just want to see the people back."

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...e-of-debt-crisis/story-e6frep5x-1226579473883

 

[magpie_man]

I think people overlook that if a new stadium was built, the Bulldogs would also look to play some games there, as you want to be in the best venue possible. ANZ is good, but a rectangle is much better.

So with the possibility of 4 teams playing out of there, the ground needs to be fairly easily accessible by public transport.

Parramatta is my pick. 40mins from the city, 40 from Penrith and Im sure similar coming from other parts of Sydney.

This. An upgrade to Parra stadium is the only logical choice.
Parramatta is already Sydney's second cbd; it makes sense to have the stadium servicing the west there.
It's far more centrally-located, geographically, than penrith and campbelltown and is only a stone's throw away from bankstown.
It has an adequately-sized train station which has a line coming straight in from penrith and fans from the southwest only need to change at Granville, two stops over, to get there.
The stadium is right near a stack of pubs, restaurants, cafes, shops etc.
The only problem, at this point, is the woeful lack of parking, which could easily be rectified with the stadium upgrade.

 

[Diesel]

Great news for the Tit fans, with this new TV deal and clubs being smarter, I hope fans will attend more games if the NRL are able to subside tickets or in the GC case, get a better stadium deal.

 

[Clarke]

Just on this whole rectangular v oval debate, something I've raised in TFC before is the conversion of ANZ to a permanently rectangular ground.

With the SCG currently being upgraded to a 50k-seater, it should become the city's primary cricket and fumbleball venue. The Swans and T20 cricket have stopped drawing crowds over 55k at ANZ so the SCG can easily accommodate them. In fact, the only sports that pack ANZ these days are 'rectangular' ones (GF, SOO, Bledisloe etc.). You would also play Thunder BBL games next door at Skoda or at the Blacktown AFL Oval since they don't have a lot of supporters.

You would bring in the stands at both the Northern and Southern ends at ANZ and then put a clear, unretractable roof over it and watch the crowds flood in.

Wasn't this the plan if we won the rights to Soccer world cup?

I'm only talking about the Nth and Sth ends that they redeveloped after the Olympics. You can see how far away are fans at those ends from this image:

In fact if you demolished those ends and put up steeper stands, you would probably raise the capacity.

It was done in England with Manchester Stadium (now Etihad Stadium, the home of the magic weekend of the last 2 years (2012-13) and Manchester city EPL team)

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[Desert Qlder]

I ask this as someone who knows very little of Western Sydney;

Would other clubs be upset at the prospect of Parramatta Leagues Club reaping the benefits of an upturn in trade should the Stadium there be upgraded?

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Wasn't this the plan if we won the rights to Soccer world cup?



It was done in England with Manchester Stadium (now Etihad Stadium, the home of the magic weekend of the last 2 years (2012-13) and Manchester city EPL team)

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CoMS was designed from the ground up to be turned into a soccer ground after the C'wealth games. SA wasn't.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

This was the proposed upgrade of Stadium Australia for the soccer world cup. The ends were squared off and brought closer to the action, while the main stands were left untouched.

Capacity was 90K.

 

[Big Sam]

This was the proposed upgrade of Stadium Australia for the soccer world cup. The ends were squared off and brought closer to the action, while the main stands were left untouched.

Capacity was 90K.

Perfect. So why doesn't the govt go ahead and do it? Bugger the AFL.

 

[herbert henry1908]

This was the proposed upgrade of Stadium Australia for the soccer world cup. The ends were squared off and brought closer to the action, while the main stands were left untouched.

Capacity was 90K.

Wow , that's the first I've seen that.

Was it proposed as a permanent change?

The stadium has done a lot of work to sell itself as an all year stadium. With that change it could kiss cricket goodbye.

 

[NrlCoach]

it would massive fail by the NRL,Soccer and Union if they build a new multipurpose stadium. AFL and Cricket have SCG, ANZ stadium and Sydney Showground. We Need rectangular stadium in west and must be 50,000. 50,000 stadium because membership will increase in the future and the government will not build a stadium for anther 30+ years

 

[herbert henry1908]

I ask this as someone who knows very little of Western Sydney;

Would other clubs be upset at the prospect of Parramatta Leagues Club reaping the benefits of an upturn in trade should the Stadium there be upgraded?

I would have thought that would go without saying.

If the new stadium had 3 permanent tenants whatever leagues club was closest would be raking it in.


If this does happen there's no way that put it in a current location IMO.

Perhaps a club could be built next to a new stadium that the clubs could share in? If you're building a new stadium whats a new club next door?

 

[Lockyer4President!]

This. An upgrade to Parra stadium is the only logical choice.
Parramatta is already Sydney's second cbd; it makes sense to have the stadium servicing the west there.
It's far more centrally-located, geographically, than penrith and campbelltown and is only a stone's throw away from bankstown.
It has an adequately-sized train station which has a line coming straight in from penrith and fans from the southwest only need to change at Granville, two stops over, to get there.
The stadium is right near a stack of pubs, restaurants, cafes, shops etc.
The only problem, at this point, is the woeful lack of parking, which could easily be rectified with the stadium upgrade.

I really hope they take this into consideration when deciding where the upgrade or build a new stadium in Sydney.

 

[juro]

This was the proposed upgrade of Stadium Australia for the soccer world cup. The ends were squared off and brought closer to the action, while the main stands were left untouched.

Capacity was 90K.

So the ends are closer but everyone else still is a mile away? No thanks!

 

[gallagher]

Surely campbelltown isnt a real chance. I mean the tigers dont even play half their own games there but Penrith,Parra and the dogs are supposed to play there?

 

[dangerousdave]

This was the proposed upgrade of Stadium Australia for the soccer world cup. The ends were squared off and brought closer to the action, while the main stands were left untouched.

Capacity was 90K.

How much would this cost?...love it

 

[applesauce]

If this stadium is going to be the home of potentially 3-4 teams over the next 20years would upgrading Parra be the best location due to the '2nd CBD' that will see huge growth in that time?