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Future NRL Stadiums

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Just prefer they put the money into fixing up anz. Better roof, bring the ends in.

Im also most partial to this....

Ive said a few times my idea for running the field East to West, and i gather most dont like the idea. So what would you all think of this.....

ANZ was made perminantly rectangular and the NSW gov. annouced these ends will be rebuilt....

Homebush_stadium.jpg


...Just brought right up to the dead ball line.

Whenever i go back and watch any of the old NRL games (1999, 2000 seasons) at ANZ, these end stands just look ominous when they are full, and the stadium has just totally lost that.
 
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This is part 2 (part 1 reported here) of a series of articles which was published in today's Sydney Morning Herald -

Home truths: why playing at big venues pays off for Sydney clubs

by Michael Chammas
Rugby league reporter

In part two of a series, Michael Chammas examines the financial advantages of Sydney clubs moving games to larger grounds.


PARRAMATTA EELS - Pirtek Stadium, ANZ Stadium
PIRTEK STADIUM
Capacity: 20,700
Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000
Revenue: Ticket sales: $58,000 (round one), $55,000 (round four).
Merchandise: $37,000 average a game (up from $17,200 in 2013)
Corporate: $80,000 (capacity of 800 at about $100 a head)
Signage: $120,000 a game
Profit: $220,000

ANZ STADIUM
Capacity: 82,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: $15,000
Revenue: ANZ Stadium: $175,000 minimum guarantee a game
Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receives money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for large crowds that gives the Eels an incentive to drive crowds and commercial. That agreement came into play on Easter Monday.)
Merchandise: $21,000 average (For the Easter Monday blockbuster game against the Tigers, the club sold $50,000 worth of merchandise.)
Corporate: $80,000
Signage: $120,000
Profit: $381,000
Parramatta: The Eels are in the second year of a three-year deal with ANZ Stadium, with an option for another two years. They will play a minimum of two games a year at the Olympic Park venue with a guarantee of $175,000 a game.
A lucrative deal worth about $400,000 to play one game a year in the Northern Territory allows them to schedule nine games a season at Pirtek Stadium. The club needs to sell 4200 tickets (outside of its 12,500 ticketed members) a game to break even when playing at Pirtek Stadium, given approximately 55 per cent of ticketed members attend each game. The average profit per game at Pirtek Stadium is $220,000, well below the ANZ Stadium average of $381,0000.
The Easter Monday clash against Wests Tigers attracted 50,668 fans, allowing the Eels to activate a profit-share agreement with ANZ Stadium. The club earned about $60,000 more on Easter Monday than it normally would at ANZ Stadium. If the club switched its ratio of matches to nine games at ANZ Stadium and two games at Pirtek Stadium, it would benefit from an estimated $1.4 million growth in game-day profit.
Even if Pirtek Stadium is at full capacity, the club estimates the game-day profit will be $70,000 less than an average game at ANZ Stadium. Research undertaken by the club has shown the 5.30pm timeslot on Saturday evening is the most popular with the Eels fans.

PENRITH PANTHERS - Sportingbet Stadium
Capacity: 22,500
Penrith: Fairfax Media contacted the Panthers but they declined to provide the confidential figures for their game-day expenditure and revenue. The club is hopeful a new stadium will be built in Penrith. A proposal has been put up to sell the greyhound racetrack at Wentworth Park for a billion-dollar residential development to fund a new sporting arena in western Sydney.
A Deloitte report details a plan to sell Wentworth Park Sporting Complex — in Glebe, opposite the Sydney Fish Market on Blackwattle Bay — Fairfield Paceway, Bankstown Paceway and Penrith Paceway. The proceeds would fund a 35,000-seat covered stadium in Penrith worth about $350million, and a multi-purpose racing facility at Eastern Creek, which will turn the site into the hub of greyhound and harness racing in Sydney.
The finishing touches are being put on the master-plan for the 35,000-seat stadium, which would include an aquatic centre, which is expected to cost $300 million-$500 million. Its success hinges on the proposed Badgerys Creek airport. The stadium could be used by NRL teams, the Western Sydney Wanderers, the Penrith Emus rugby union club and other local sporting teams, and could host concerts and events. There have been discussions about the venue being controlled by the ANZ Stadium Trust, which would allow the four western Sydney-based NRL teams — Parramatta, Canterbury, Penrith and Wests Tigers — to split home matches between the two venues based on the number of fans each game is expected to attract.
The Panthers have averaged home crowds of just more than 10,000 for the past two years. Their largest average home crowd for a season was in 2003 when they averaged 17,771.

CANTERBURY BULLDOGS - ANZ Stadium
Capacity: 82,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: Fee paid to ANZ Stadium based on ticket sales
Revenue
Ticket sales: Each club estimates a ticket is worth $15 to $25 a person. Against South Sydney on Good Friday last year, the Bulldogs made more than $400,000 on ticket sales alone from a crowd of more than 50,000 (club members did not pay for entry).
Average crowd: 21,371 (a 155 per cent increase in average crowds compared with the club’s last season at Belmore Sports Ground in 1998, when the Bulldogs averaged 8363 for a home game).
Corporate: The Bulldogs have some of the largest corporate numbers in the NRL. Some 140 companies and an estimated 1000 people in total use the corporate facilities per game (at an estimated value of $120,000).
Merchandise: The Bulldogs average $1.50 a spectator for each game and up to $2 a spectator at blockbuster matches.
Membership: 14,500 (a 480 per cent increase on the club’s last season at Belmore).
Bulldogs: The Bulldogs were the first club to use ANZ Stadium as their home ground in 1999. From 2001 to 2005, they played most of their home games at the nearby Sydney Showground, before making the permanent move to ANZ Stadium in 2006. Last year they became the first Sydney club to attract more than 50,000 people to a regular season match when 51,686 spectators piled into ANZ Stadium for the Good Friday clash against South Sydney.
With reciprocal membership rights allowing fans of both teams to attend the match, the Bulldogs sold an additional 20,000 tickets, worth about $400,000. Reciprocal rights have added further value to memberships, allowing fans to attend a total of 15 games at the Olympic Park venue this year. ANZ Stadium has this year introduced free wi-fi for fans, which Bulldogs chief executive Raelene Castle believes is a huge advantage over suburban grounds. ‘
‘The addition of the wi-fi to ANZ Stadium gives the in-stadium crowd the opportunity to tweet, text, Facebook and view statistics and replays in a similar way to the fans at home,’’ Castle said. ‘‘This technology will become more valuable as the Bulldogs develop more fan initiatives with wi-fi at the centre.’’
The Bulldogs have played a trial match at their spiritual home at Belmore the past two seasons and there have been discussions about a NRL match in 2014 to celebrate their 80th anniversary being played at the ground. However, operational costs, which include bringing in lighting up to broadcast standard for night games, means the Bulldogs will sacrifice a substantial amount to stage a match at the venue, even if were a sellout.
There are now also free trains to and from games at ANZ Stadium, a benefit not available at suburban grounds.

WESTS TIGERS - Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium

LEICHHARDT OVAL
Capacity: 20,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).
Revenue
Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.
Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)
Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)
Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.
Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).


CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM
Capacity: 20,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).
Revenue
Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.
Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)
Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)
Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.
Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)


ANZ STADIUM
Capacity: 82,000
Expenditure - Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000
Revenue
ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.
Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)
Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).
Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)
Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.
Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.
Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.
They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.
‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.
‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said. ’
 

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/moreton/redcliffe-dolphins-has-revealed-plans-for-a-12-million-stadium-at-dolphin-oval/story-fni9r1i7-1226907637419

Redcliffe Dolphins has revealed plans for a $12 million stadium at Dolphin Oval

DOLPHIN Oval may be upgraded to a $12 million stadium, capable of holding 10,000 people and attracting National Rugby League trials and games.

The Redcliffe Dolphins have preliminary designs for the stadium, which will include covered grandstand sections on the three existing sides of the ground, while still keeping some parts of the traditional hills that fans have come to love.

“The majority of beautiful trees will be kept and integrated into the grounds’ corporate areas, making the ground uniquely Queensland,” president Bob Jones said.

But the football club will require financial partnerships with Moreton Bay Regional Council, state and federal governments, Queensland Rugby League and National Rugby League for plans to have the stadium built by 2016 to become a reality.

Redcliffe Dolphins Group chief executive officer Tony Murphy said the club had proven it could attract large crowds, with more than 11,000 people filling Dolphin Oval’s hills on February 8 for the NRL trial between the Brisbane Broncos and North Queensland Cowboys.

“There is nothing like this in southeast Queensland,” Mr Murphy said of the proposed stadium, which will feature the iconic red and white colours of Redcliffe.

“The biggest council areas in Australia are Brisbane and the Gold Coast. Number three and four are Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast.

“There will be one million people living in the Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast regions by 2020; it makes sense to have a stadium like this where the most people are living.”

Mr Murphy said a stadium for rugby league that could also accommodate big games of soccer, rugby union and touch football was needed in the area, after a $13 million Australian Rules complex was opened earlier this year in nearby Burpengary.

“We have Suncorp Stadium and the Gold Coast stadiums but nothing north of Brisbane and nothing like this.

“We envision it will be something similar to Bluetongue Stadium on the New South Wales central coast.”

The completion of the Moreton Bay Rail Link at the end of 2016 is motivation for the club to have the stadium built by the same deadline, with the Kippa-Ring station just over one kilometre away.

“It is not just a dream anymore,” Mr Murphy said. “This is in our five-year plan and something we are already working on.”

The bold plan will raise the stakes in the QRL, following impressive upgrades to the Sunshine Coast, Mackay, Cairns, Easts and Ipswich grounds in recent years.

But the club insists it is not a direct play at a NRL bid, but it may help.

“The stadium could be a good training base for NRL clubs who come to play the Broncos here in Brisbane,” Mr Jones said.

Mr Murphy expected the stadium would be used regularly for QRL grand finals, school and state competition and by the NRL

“Sydney clubs are keen to shift their home games between themselves and Gold Coast or North Queensland north of the border; this ground would be ideal,” he said.

“We have the pool, the gym and all the facilities they would need. And there’s plenty of accommodation around the local area for the clubs to stay.

“What we can attract in the way of major games, carnivals and large events to the Peninsula would be a massive economic boost to the region.”

The club offers parking but suggested the showgrounds could be ideal for extra parking on big game days.

This next step for the ever-expanding club follows the introduction of the health precinct, which includes a gym, heated pools and physiotherapy and the more recent opening of a shopping centre which includes Coles.
 

Diesel

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It doesn't rain in Brisbane for pretty much most of the QRL season so it's not too much of an issue IMO
 

Brutus

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Dolphin Oval should have a decent grandstand one side and a grassed hill on the other. Allow for 15,000 capacity.

Brisbane needs a decent medium-sized stadium below Suncorp. Ballymore is quality but is owned by the rugby union. League needs a 'Ballymore' in Brisbane.
 

Timbo

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I don't see why Ballymore couldn't be an option for a new league side in Brisbane (if transport links could be improved).

Who cares who owns it, it's a 25,000 seat stadium in a fairly central location. Whilst the side is establishing itself it'd be a good option for non derby regular season games.
 

Canard

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Seems silly to not use a perfectly good stadium in Suncorp to me.

Is there any reason not to?
 

Brutus

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I don't see why Ballymore couldn't be an option for a new league side in Brisbane (if transport links could be improved).

Who cares who owns it, it's a 25,000 seat stadium in a fairly central location. Whilst the side is establishing itself it'd be a good option for non derby regular season games.

Parking and as you mentioned, transport, is shocking to Ballymore.

It is tucked away behind Herston.
 

goodplayer

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That Parra stadium is just more waste for western sydney's growth.
Why build a 32 thousand stadium that is just slightly bigger than what they have now and dont fill, what they really need is a new mega stadium that can allow for growth up to 55 thousand.
Once they hit 32 thousand, they are turning fans away,,, or worse,,,, have to take the game to the big white elephant where rain or a cold night simply keeps people away and 35 thousand looks empty.

To be honest, the NRL really has no vision if they build a smaller 30 thousand ground.
Parra stadium can then be used for all those games mentioned in the story above. SB ball, Matthews, Community league and games against the Cows and Storm , Titans etc.

They dont need to be building a 30 thousand white elephant, they need to be building a 55 thousand mega stadium.
It will just be 120 million wasted on no vision otherwise.
They build a 55 thousand and all teams out west can take bigger games their, as long as it is close to Parramatta city and restaurants shops and pubs.

upgrade parramatta stadium . makes sense . full roof. more seats ;-);-)
 

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I don't mean permanently, just while they build up their fan base.

If the transport links could be fixed it'd be a decent option.
 

Rocco

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I don't see why Ballymore couldn't be an option for a new league side in Brisbane (if transport links could be improved).

Who cares who owns it, it's a 25,000 seat stadium in a fairly central location. Whilst the side is establishing itself it'd be a good option for non derby regular season games.

Ballymore is a shithole and the qld government wont pay to improve or upgrade facilities inside the ground plus they consider it too close to suncorp.
 

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Sydney's arenas deserve a sporting chance with an upgrade says sport minister stuart ayres
SPORT Minister Stuart Ayres has described Sydney’s stadiums as “tired” and “substandard”, indicating the state government will invest *millions upgrading facilities.

But he said there was “a big question” hanging over the *future of some of Sydney’s “older-style community suburban stadiums’’.
He said the “foundation” to the government’s stadiums plan would be upgrading the Moore Park venues, particularly Allianz, improving Homebush’s ANZ Stadium and planning a new facility for Western Sydney.

“It’s pointless having more stadiums than any other city or state if people don’t want to go to them,’’ he said.

Mr Ayres’ comments dovetail with the NRL’s strategy to play more games in the best stadiums to create a big-match atmosphere like at the Easter Monday clash between the Parramatta Eels and Wests Tigers, which drew 51,000 people to ANZ Stadium.
Only 9000 diehard fans *attended the most recent Tigers match at Leichhardt Oval against the Gold Coast Titans on a wet Sunday.
Mr Ayres, who took over the portfolio last month, said fans expected a high-quality experience — including modern technology and good food and drinks.

“I think it would be a reasonable assessment to say NSW has allowed its sports *infrastructure to slip behind the rest of the nation,’’ he said.
“Our facilities are aged and they don’t always provide the most hospitable environment for you to go and enjoy your favourite sport.
“There’s a bit of nostalgia about sitting on the old grass hill and having a beer or a hot dog ... but if you’re forking out a fair chunk of your fortnightly wage, people want a better *experience than what is *offered by those stadiums.’’

He said the 45,000-seat Allianz stadium was a “bit tired and old” and “we have to ask some serious questions about how we get the best bang for our buck out of that stadium”.

At least $286 million in taxpayers’ money has been pumped into stadium upgrades in the past seven years, without a co-ordinated plan.
In the wake of the successful Major League Baseball visit to the new-look SCG, the Penrith-based MP said he wants to also “roll out the red carpet” to more top American sporting franchises, including NFL, ice hockey and basketball teams.

“Sydney provides American sports with a gateway to the Asian market without a lot of the cultural challenges,” he said.
He said he would also talk to the Western Sydney Wanderers about the club’s stadium requirements.
 

Perth Red

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Its fallen behind the world, not just Australia in terms of stadiums for top flight sports. Look at NFL,EPL,AFL or any other major league and the stadia their teams play in then look at NRL in Sydney. It is arguable that you have any stadia that are fit for purpose in terms of club NRL.

Hopefully the rhetoric is followed up with action and funding and the situation is improved. RL fans deserve better.
 

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Is there good reason the Warriors don't have Eden Park as their home stadium? Looks far better corporate and fan facilities than Mt Smart and presents a far more professional image for the Warriors. Surely will be easier for a Warriors to grow crowds at Eden Park? So why are they still playing out of run down mt smart?
 

Wilson1

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Is there good reason the Warriors don't have Eden Park as their home stadium? Looks far better corporate and fan facilities than Mt Smart and presents a far more professional image for the Warriors. Surely will be easier for a Warriors to grow crowds at Eden Park? So why are they still playing out of run down mt smart?

Because Mt Smart stadium is a good size and closer to their fan base.
 

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