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The Realist

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One thing I noticed about that Team of Ex Panthers is that they are mostly 'loose defenders' and/or one dimensional. There is a reason why we let most of them go.

The only ones who don't fit that characterization are Koroisau, Kikau and perhaps Capewell. Burton hurts as well.

Our current team would punch dozens of holes in that 'EXES' team.
 

BxTom

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One thing I noticed about that Team of Ex Panthers is that they are mostly 'loose defenders' and/or one dimensional. There is a reason why we let most of them go.

The only ones who don't fit that characterization are Koroisau, Kikau and perhaps Capewell. Burton hurts as well.

Our current team would punch dozens of holes in that 'EXES' team.
They even included Mansour who is no longer n NRL player.
 

John Hamblin

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Nathan got 48 points in the Dally M. Ponga won with 56 and with Nathan missing 6 games and each player able to get a maximum of 6 points each week he could easily have won. Congratutions to Tito Marto and Critta!
 
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Nathan got 48 points in the Dally M. Ponga won with 56 and with Nathan missing 6 games and each player able to get a maximum of 6 points each week he could easily have won. Congratutions to Tito Marto and Critta!
I think Ponga missed more games though.

I didn’t see the telecast but read somewhere there were 3 Panthers in the top 10; that is the key reason Nathan didn’t win it.

Does that make the system flawed? Maybe. But it’s an award that looks at the season on a round by round basis.

Should there be an award that looks at the whole season in totality? Maybe. But who would judge that? In the US these awards are adjudicated by the media, but it is a media with significantly more breadth and less of a tall poppy syndrome; they like to talk up their stars. We have pages and pages of complaints (I am a major contributor) about the bias of News Ltd, who make up (in my estimates) circa 50% of the coverage and content in the game. Latrell would win every year.
 

soc123_au

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If you were to do the RLW system of rating players our of ten then Yeo would have the straight medals.

9/10 every week can't be beaten.
Couldn't even manage Lock of the year this year. I'd say he is the reason they used the disclaimer that Dally M points had no bearing on positional awards. A bit of bullshit to be able to give it to someone else. It's a shame Dyl has never been afforded the same consideration.

In saying that, no issue with Carrigan getting an award. He has had a fantastic season, sometimes it's not fair having the Messiah playing in the same position as you.

In the name of our Yeo, Amen
 

Chins get the wins

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Couldn't even manage Lock of the year this year. I'd say he is the reason they used the disclaimer that Dally M points had no bearing on positional awards. A bit of bullshit to be able to give it to someone else. It's a shame Dyl has never been afforded the same consideration.

In saying that, no issue with Carrigan getting an award. He has had a fantastic season, sometimes it's not fair having the Messiah playing in the same position as you.

In the name of our Yeo, Amen
Carrigan is a fine player and now the second best lock in the game. The top spot is Yeo's until he moves to prop in his twilight years
 

Iamback

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They need to forget that. Ivan helped in game 3 and there was a huge improvement.

That was an on the day thing.

Not sure how it goes when you are in the depths of club footy,

trying to think about x player got hurt last night. I wonder if I move this player there will it work?
I should go check that team out tomorrow.

You can't put the full attend into both. Not sure the club wants their coaches distracted, Not sure other coaches would give the same freedom and access Freddy had to the players

Then the promo stuff Freddy does too, I think a current NRL assistant works. They also know how to balance injuries, an area Freddy struggled
 

tripster

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His knee was the one that changed him for good. Missed half the 2017 season and lost a bit of speed.

He also completely lost the ability to jump for the high ball and his lateral movement in defence became awful. Couldn't have come at a worst time in his career - he was one of the top wingers in the game between 2014 - 16.
 

Goonji

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Big Cat Empire: How Penrith went from giving away tickets to a Sydney superclub

In 2013, Penrith recruitment manager Jim Jones stood in front of 80 teenage rugby league players at Carrington Park in Bathurst in the NSW Central Tablelands.

Two years earlier, the Panthers had decided to expand their already enormous junior nursery to take in Western Division, so they held a camp for players aged from 13 to 16.

When the camp concluded, the young players gathered for a photo in front of the scoreboard, which was sponsored by the Panthers’ leagues club in Bathurst.

“Thanks for coming today,” Jones said, before adding: “Now, who follows Penrith?”

Only two players stood up.

“Then one sat down!” Jones roars as he retells the story. “We had one kid!”

Standing alongside Jones that day was Matt Cameron, who joined the club in 2012 to oversee the Panthers’ pathways but is now chief executive of football.

When he returned to Penrith, he enlarged two team photos taken at the camp and asked to meet with the board.

“We’ve got a club in the main street, but no one likes us out there,” he explained, pointing out that no player was wearing Penrith gear.

Fast-forward a decade and the change in Penrith is reflected in the change of colour in the talented kids who attend their camps in Bathurst.

“I was there last weekend,” Jones says. “Everyone is wearing Panthers gear. Their second team is Penrith.” As Cameron puts it: “Those 16-year-old kids see Penrith as the viable option to be a professional rugby league player.”

In the cranky cut and thrust of rugby league, people struggle to praise rival clubs, especially the successful ones. Panthers players have been branded arrogant and the club has endured constant speculation about how they’ve kept so many of their up-and-coming stars for so long.

“The cap isn’t a difficult thing to manage,” Cameron says. “It is when you attach emotion to it. I don’t coach the team – I worry about the numbers. If you understand you can’t keep all the best players, and especially in a situation when we have good young kids coming through, it’s easy to manage.”

Even the Panthers’ most vocal detractors couldn’t dismiss the incredible reawakening of their club since 2011 when they adopted their “Built from Within” blueprint.

Not that long ago, the Panthers Group – which manages a suite of licensed clubs and the football team – was $112 million in debt. “Ten years ago, we were bleeding money and giving away tickets to watch the footy,” Panthers Group chief executive Brian Fletcher says.

This season, BlueBet Stadium had an average home attendance of about 19,000 – in a 22,500-seat stadium. More than 10,000 attended a fan day earlier this week ahead of Sunday’s grand final against Brisbane.

It will be Penrith’s fourth consecutive appearance in the decider as they chase their third consecutive premiership. Winning is good for business. “We’ve made $26 million from football in the last four years,” Fletcher says. “The previous decade, we lost $50 million out of running the football department. We’ll make a $7 million to $9 million profit this year in merchandise, membership, game-day sponsorship…”

The Panthers have gone from nearly closing the doors to becoming the most dominant team in Australian sport. You need to look at another code to find a worthy comparison: Richmond won three flags over four seasons between 2017 and 2020 while Hawthorn won three consecutive premierships from 2013 to 2015.

Penrith’s chokehold on the NRL doesn’t come about by happenstance, but a clear strategy to make the most of the abundant talent at their fingertips: 24 junior clubs that produced a whopping 8589 players (7378 male, 1211 female) this year.

Some reckon the smartest thing former general manager of football Phil Gould did during his time at Penrith was appointing Cameron as high-performance manager in 2012.

Cameron would never look at it that way, but he quickly realised when he came to Penrith that the children really were their future.

“Gus was bringing in journeyman players who could do what was needed to win first grade games,” Cameron explains. “But Jimmy and I were trying to build a team underneath it. The plan was for those two lines to eventually meet. It came together quicker than we thought it would.”

Cameron performed chiropractic work on the pathways, and it had more to do with coaching than players. He met with coach Ivan Cleary and asked, “If we have a player at 18, what do you want him to look like at 21?”

Instead of fixating on winning junior representative grand finals in the Jersey Flegg (under-21s), SG Ball (under-19s) and Harold Matthews (under-17s) competitions, they became more concerned about using those matches to identify talent.

“We want to give Ivan ready-made first grade players,” Cameron says. “We tell junior coaches we want them to coach the team, but this is a multimillion-dollar business. Our level of coaching for the average 17-year-old player is aligned with what’s going to happen next. We are deeply involved in every aspect in training, selection, recruitment. I feel like we needed to have ownership in the background to produce those players in our system. We’ve got total control.”

Jones has a simpler way of putting it. “Look at our Jersey Flegg team,” he says. “None of them are overweight.”

The veteran recruiter has been unearthing talent for Penrith for more than three decades.
 

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