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tripster

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The most important thing for a coach is winning the next game, salary cap requires someone making long term decisions for the club otherwise you end up like Canterbury who are an extreme yet perfect example of poor cap management.

There is also only so much one man can do (and do well). Only so many hours in a day.

The game has advanced in complexity in so many ways, from salary cap management, fitness, rehabilitation, defensive structures, tactics, etc etc. That’s why there is a team of coaching staff.

Having someone with the time to think long and hard about it, plan and make long term decisions that are detached from near term performance is a must. No doubt part of the reason the Dogs are in such a mess is that if you are Des and in control of cap and recruitment you are motivated to try to get a premiership as soon as possible - even if that involves taking huge risks with back ended deals - in order to ensure your long term job security.

Someone like Gus has far more security over his job than Griffin and can take a much more detached view to cap management and long term decision making, which is what roster management requires. It would also require a lot of time, dealing with accountants (and probably financial models) and the salary cap auditor.

I think of it like why politicians always make such stupid short term decisions that are motivated by prospects of re-election rather than making long term decisions that would produce continued prosperity and better living standards, even if it came at the expense of some short term pain.

Truth be told it is a blessing for our club to have someone like Gus in a position to be able to do that for us.
 
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franklin2323

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Would you rather a coach worry about whether x player re-signs and be distracted about that.. Or getting the squad right? A no brainer here.

No player should be signed without the coaches approval but the shortlist and negiotations should be handled by someone else. Front office and footy department should be seperate
 

Pomoz

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The most important thing for a coach is winning the next game, salary cap requires someone making long term decisions for the club otherwise you end up like Canterbury who are an extreme yet perfect example of poor cap management.
I think that is spot on. The Premier League clubs now adopt a similar approach with a director of football taking care of contract management and recruitment (with input from the coach) and the manager the coaching. They moved to this model because every new coach would go and get rid of a load of players and hire new ones so they could play a different style of football. Massively expensive and success is elusive.

That is the problem with NRL coaches making all the decisions. You need an overarching strategy if you don't want to waste money or send the club broke. Coaches come and go, contracts remain in place and can cause all sorts of issues. Manly, the Eels and the Dogs are now finding that out the hard way.
 

franklin2323

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I think that is spot on. The Premier League clubs now adopt a similar approach with a director of football taking care of contract management and recruitment (with input from the coach) and the manager the coaching. They moved to this model because every new coach would go and get rid of a load of players and hire new ones so they could play a different style of football. Massively expensive and success is elusive.

That is the problem with NRL coaches making all the decisions. You need an overarching strategy if you don't want to waste money or send the club broke. Coaches come and go, contracts remain in place and can cause all sorts of issues. Manly, the Eels and the Dogs are now finding that out the hard way.

I doubt most coaches even know or care when x player is off contract nor there contract worth
 

Abacus

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Always good when a coach is central to recruitment/retention and can't sign a player. Player gets shits with coach and stuffs team morale. Need someone else in the office to play the bad guy.
 

Kilkenny

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Anyone know why neither Laui nor May have been selected to play ISP this weekend. Both finished the game on the weekend and didn't appear injured, not that I saw anyway.
 

franklin2323

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Anyone know why neither Laui nor May have been selected to play ISP this weekend. Both finished the game on the weekend and didn't appear injured, not that I saw anyway.

The are fine to go. Club is tossing up whether to rest them incase Cleary and Maloney can't back up after Origin. Or whether they play to build combination and risk injury. I'd go option 2
 

OldPanther

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https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/05/30...utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=NetworkContent

Wallace set to return in round 14 for Panthers

It's a tricky time for the Panthers with four players unsure if they will back up two days after Origin I, but they've received a boost with captain Peter Wallace declaring he'll be a certain starter after missing the last two games to a shoulder injury.

Wallace was confident he could have returned for the top-of-the-table clash against the Dragons but with big guns James Maloney, Nathan Cleary, Tyrone Peachey and Reagan Campbell-Gillard all on deck before winning Origin selection, the hooker knew he could get away with another week's rest.
"I'll be right for Canberra," Wallace said.

"I would have been pushing pretty close to last week but given we had the bye this week I just thought I'd give it an extra couple of weeks."

With Wallace off contract at the end of the 2018 season his future is uncertain, but the 32-year-old said there are a couple options he is currently weighing up which will be announced in the coming months.

"There hasn't been much discussion around my future just yet. I'm still tossing up a few things but I'll probably make the decision in the near future," he said.

"I've had no pressure from the club or on myself so I'm just weighing everything up and I'll make the decision in the next month or two.
Losing players isn't unfamiliar territory for the Panthers, who have lost six players to injury in the first half of the season.

Depending on how the big four come through Origin I, they could again find their depth tested against the Raiders in round 14.

Wallace says the young boys have already shown they can step up despite the adversity they've faced and he is positive they can do it again.

"The start of the year we've had with all the injuries it's been a bit of a blessing in disguise maybe, it's given a few boys an opportunity where they might not have got that and everyone whose come in has done a great job," Wallace said.
"We will train as if they're not playing and if we get them back then it's a bonus.

"Hopefully all of the Origin players can back up but if someone can't I have no doubt that whoever comes in will do a good job for them."

Wallace and teammate James Tamou have had their share of Origin matches and understand how tough it is to back up with the short turnaround. Tamou says although it's taxing on the body he has no doubt their four players will do what they need if tapped on the shoulder to play on the Friday night.

"It's pretty gruelling to back up after Origin," Tamou said.

"I think there was only one time for the Cowboys where I played Wednesday night and had to back up on Friday and it was gruelling but I think the guys that are in there are ultimate professionals and they'll do the right thing."

Tamou can't wait to watch his fellow Panthers take on the Maroons at the MCG, in particular Reagan Campbell-Gillard, who he says is made for the Origin arena.

"I can't wait to watch them," Tamou said. "Especially big Reg (Reagan), I think the stage was made for a player like him and I think he'll do some damage."
 
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