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God shall not be mocked

Who believes in God?

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Eelementary

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Well... Twizzle.... my 500+ word posts are full of substance so I welcome you to create some 500+ word posts of substance...:lol::lol::lol:

Though a very good band, I don't think Opeth is anything like Pink Floyd or Moody Blues. They just don't have the ambiance of either of these supergroups, even though I do love their classical trained back grounds.....

Twizzle, we were just spoilt rotten by the saturation of so many great bands and solo artists that came into our lives between 1966/67 and 1975. So much of todays music is crap to me, as it was through the 80's, and 90's bar some brilliant exceptions here and there but geees, the list goes into the hundreds of all the extraordinary unique talent full of soul that swooned us through that Golden Era of contemporary music.

How lucky we were to grow up with so much awe inspiring talent enchanting us week after week, year after year....... if only it could all be repeated for all the generations that came along after ours, to experience all this music ALL coming out of nowhere, ALL unexpected, with very little reference points to the sounds and vibes and textures that swept us all up with its beauty and without the nasty inhibitors of institutionalisation, culturalisation and politicalisation which is destroying the soul of so much music making since that time.

I am going to be shot down by the people slightly older than me, but what the hell...

With absolutely no offense intended whatsoever, this argument that "oh, music was so good in the 60's and 70's" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones...Hell, even AC/DC (of which I am a huge fan) didn't exactly play overly complex music. It was new when it first appeared and that was appealing. And sure, compared to today's mass-produced pop music it was unique - P!nk and Beyonce are barely distinguishable in style because modern pop music is so overly simplistic that it has lost any true meaning, despite lyricists trying to prove otherwise by writing 'heartfelt' lyrics. But I digress.

There is music out there that is just as good as anything else that came about 30 years ago. The only issue is the genre - for example, a classic rock band resembling The Beatles' sound is very hard to find these days, but if you look hard enough, they're there.

I will not deny that bands such as Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, as well as Zeppelin and the like set the standard for the music I listen to these days. If it wasn't for them, the bands I listen to probably wouldn't be around. But I like to think that bands such as Dream Theatre or Opeth can be classed in the same breath as Black Sabbath. Opeth in particular - their old catalogue is a breath-taking ride through gothic, ambient, atmospheric metal, and even just plain old rock.

The issue is that as soon as someone releases something that sounds good these days, one of two things will happen:

(1) everyone jumps on the bandwagon and that artist is accused of selling out to appeal to the masses to get rich; or
(2) everyone starts saying, "It sounds just like <insert artist name here>!"

I use the Foo Fighters' "Wheels" as an example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_WH5Kfaj5Y). Personally, I love the song, as I do Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters. But it has received negative comments and reviews because apparently it sounds just like some of Tom Petty's work.

Now, I am a big fan of Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers - my dad played them in his car all the time and I think he is fantastic. But for the life of me I cannot understand why there is so much negativity surrounding "Wheels". Is there a similarity between it and an earlier release by Tom Petty? Perhaps so, yes. Does it mean it's a bad song? I don't think so - Tom Petty is pretty well-respected, and rightfully so. The only thing one could argue is that it doesn't bring any creativity to the table, but then you could argue many other bands - even influential bands from the past - weren't exactly innovative either. Music has been around for a long time, and just trying to do something new sound-wise should be enough for people to be commended for it. Comparing "Monkey Wrench" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ck2ygpSUg8) to "Everlong" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0BMfqFP9c) to "Learn To Fly" you can see they have adapted styles on a few occassions to bring different music to our ears.

Myself, I am into music that is generally not heard or TV. Because of that fact it is probably less mass-produced and easier to find bands that actually write good music. But to say that music was better 40 years ago and imply nothing is good these days is incorrect. You just have to work harder for it these days because there is just so much to see.
 

Casper The Ghost

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I am going to be shot down by the people slightly older than me, but what the hell...

With absolutely no offense intended whatsoever, this argument that "oh, music was so good in the 60's and 70's" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones...Hell, even AC/DC (of which I am a huge fan) didn't exactly play overly complex music. It was new when it first appeared and that was appealing. And sure, compared to today's mass-produced pop music it was unique - P!nk and Beyonce are barely distinguishable in style because modern pop music is so overly simplistic that it has lost any true meaning, despite lyricists trying to prove otherwise by writing 'heartfelt' lyrics. But I digress.

There is music out there that is just as good as anything else that came about 30 years ago. The only issue is the genre - for example, a classic rock band resembling The Beatles' sound is very hard to find these days, but if you look hard enough, they're there.

I will not deny that bands such as Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, as well as Zeppelin and the like set the standard for the music I listen to these days. If it wasn't for them, the bands I listen to probably wouldn't be around. But I like to think that bands such as Dream Theatre or Opeth can be classed in the same breath as Black Sabbath. Opeth in particular - their old catalogue is a breath-taking ride through gothic, ambient, atmospheric metal, and even just plain old rock.

The issue is that as soon as someone releases something that sounds good these days, one of two things will happen:

(1) everyone jumps on the bandwagon and that artist is accused of selling out to appeal to the masses to get rich; or
(2) everyone starts saying, "It sounds just like <insert artist name here>!"

I use the Foo Fighters' "Wheels" as an example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_WH5Kfaj5Y). Personally, I love the song, as I do Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters. But it has received negative comments and reviews because apparently it sounds just like some of Tom Petty's work.

Now, I am a big fan of Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers - my dad played them in his car all the time and I think he is fantastic. But for the life of me I cannot understand why there is so much negativity surrounding "Wheels". Is there a similarity between it and an earlier release by Tom Petty? Perhaps so, yes. Does it mean it's a bad song? I don't think so - Tom Petty is pretty well-respected, and rightfully so. The only thing one could argue is that it doesn't bring any creativity to the table, but then you could argue many other bands - even influential bands from the past - weren't exactly innovative either. Music has been around for a long time, and just trying to do something new sound-wise should be enough for people to be commended for it. Comparing "Monkey Wrench" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ck2ygpSUg8) to "Everlong" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0BMfqFP9c) to "Learn To Fly" you can see they have adapted styles on a few occassions to bring different music to our ears.

Myself, I am into music that is generally not heard or TV. Because of that fact it is probably less mass-produced and easier to find bands that actually write good music. But to say that music was better 40 years ago and imply nothing is good these days is incorrect. You just have to work harder for it these days because there is just so much to see.

I agree with your argument Eelementary, its just that the Golden Era was unfolding with nothing like it to compare it toooo. Today and since the early 80's so much music "sounds like" da da da da....

Back in the Golden Era..... with the great supergroups and solo artists there was NO .... oh it sounds like da da da da.

There was some cross referencing between bands but how can you compare Jethro Tull, Moody Blues, Cat Stevens, David Bowie, Alice Cooper, Led Zep, Black Sabbath, Status Quo, Rolling Stones (i was not crazy about them bar some of their early psychedelic music), Beatles after Sgt Peppers, Genesis, Steely Dan, The Doors, Pink Floyd, etc, etc, etc.... all incredibly unique, not one the same as the next.....

It was that uniqueness and freshness and spirit of revolution (flower power, drugs, anti Vietnam war, etc, etc, rebellion) that made that period of contemporary music the foundations of all contemporary music that followed.
 
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Eelementary

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I agree that the Golden Era was wonderful. It produced some truly magnificent artists.

But I think it is such a shame that there are guys out there that will not be recognised as artists in the same way as a Bowie or Alice Cooper. To illustrate:

Mikael Akefeldt, lead singer, guitar player and lyricist and music writer for Opeth, does all that for another band called Bloodbath (something of a supergroup for metal fans). Bloodbath are death metal - Opeth are progressive. It amazes me how he can write two different styles of music:

Opeth - "Demon Of The Fall"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LixN0zEOTXg&feature=related

Bloodbath - "Hades Rising"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfUVmfNk4E

Different styles, but both from the same man.

Another one to consider would be mister Devin Townsend, formerly of Strapping Young Lad.

Strapping Young Lad - "Wrongside"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ShfiU64U0

Devin Townsend - "Life"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z_UJ0_biJw


These are just two of the minds out there that, in my opinion, deserve to be thought of as legends of the industry as they have touched so many people, and with showed their talent at composing different styles, too.
 

Casper The Ghost

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And to back up my claims there is good stuff out there these days:

Opeth - "The Grand Conjuration"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqcBD2oiEH8

Complex song with great vocals imo.


By Blood And Iron - "The Internal Offering"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZmvFHJp_o

Little bit more full-on than Opeth, but a good young band. Use of synthesizers and dual guitars as well as mixing up the tempo.

I just can't get into deathcore music. I really appreciate the musical talents of both bands, but the deathcore vocals is not music to my ears... but then my parents (and many others who grew up with big brass band music come 50's era etc) thought I was off the planet etc etc, with my musical tastes...... so I am most definately not putting you down or writting you off because you appreciate underground, alternative music of this youths era,....... its just not music I can get into... it doesn't have the soul/vibe I gravitate too.
 

Casper The Ghost

First Grade
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I agree that the Golden Era was wonderful. It produced some truly magnificent artists.

But I think it is such a shame that there are guys out there that will not be recognised as artists in the same way as a Bowie or Alice Cooper. To illustrate:

Mikael Akefeldt, lead singer, guitar player and lyricist and music writer for Opeth, does all that for another band called Bloodbath (something of a supergroup for metal fans). Bloodbath are death metal - Opeth are progressive. It amazes me how he can write two different styles of music:

Opeth - "Demon Of The Fall"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LixN0zEOTXg&feature=related

Bloodbath - "Hades Rising"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfUVmfNk4E

Different styles, but both from the same man.

Another one to consider would be mister Devin Townsend, formerly of Strapping Young Lad.

Strapping Young Lad - "Wrongside"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ShfiU64U0

Devin Townsend - "Life"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z_UJ0_biJw


These are just two of the minds out there that, in my opinion, deserve to be thought of as legends of the industry as they have touched so many people, and with showed their talent at composing different styles, too.

I get the point and the classical progressive music without the brutal violence of deathcore, death metal etc in every track...... I could possibly appreciate.

Look, the music industry has been hijacked big-time by the powers that be as part of their dumbing down the youth agenda.

This dumbing down is happening on many many fronts and collectively its all about the youth not using their brains anymore. They just memorise what there told to think and feel and live like mimics.

I find this fact very sad and the work I do for the past 4 years is all focused on waking others up, to break out of the true matrix and return as free man/woman etc....
 

Casper The Ghost

First Grade
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I agree that the Golden Era was wonderful. It produced some truly magnificent artists.

But I think it is such a shame that there are guys out there that will not be recognised as artists in the same way as a Bowie or Alice Cooper. To illustrate:

Mikael Akefeldt, lead singer, guitar player and lyricist and music writer for Opeth, does all that for another band called Bloodbath (something of a supergroup for metal fans). Bloodbath are death metal - Opeth are progressive. It amazes me how he can write two different styles of music:

Opeth - "Demon Of The Fall"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LixN0zEOTXg&feature=related

Bloodbath - "Hades Rising"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfUVmfNk4E

Different styles, but both from the same man.

Another one to consider would be mister Devin Townsend, formerly of Strapping Young Lad.

Strapping Young Lad - "Wrongside"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ShfiU64U0

Devin Townsend - "Life"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z_UJ0_biJw


These are just two of the minds out there that, in my opinion, deserve to be thought of as legends of the industry as they have touched so many people, and with showed their talent at composing different styles, too.

Also listened to this: The Devin Thompson Band Vampira Inside Out Music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMLXoobDKWs

Yeah, Devin Townsend rocks, he is very talented and has a feel I can relate too in his music but I can't see myself playing his songs over and over again as I would with Deep Purple Machine Head and all the other hundreds of great bands & solo artists I bonded with during that Golden Era.
 
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Stop wanking on about Opeth.

They suck.

In no way can they be "classed in the same breath" (whatever the hell that means) as Black Sabbath.
 

Twizzle

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And to back up my claims there is good stuff out there these days:

Opeth - "The Grand Conjuration"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqcBD2oiEH8

Complex song with great vocals imo.


By Blood And Iron - "The Internal Offering"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZmvFHJp_o

Little bit more full-on than Opeth, but a good young band. Use of synthesizers and dual guitars as well as mixing up the tempo.

Hex Omega has always been my favourite Opeth song, last I checked it wasn't on Youtube

All live versions are sh*t, this is the original recording

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51TL0z8I7ww
 
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Twizzle

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Stop wanking on about Opeth.

They suck.

In no way can they be "classed in the same breath" (whatever the hell that means) as Black Sabbath.

I agree with that bit, comparing Sabbath to Opeth is no comparison.

Sabbath are more like a high school band, is there any song that any teenagers with about 1 year experience cant play ?
 

Eelementary

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I just can't get into deathcore music. I really appreciate the musical talents of both bands, but the deathcore vocals is not music to my ears... but then my parents (and many others who grew up with big brass band music come 50's era etc) thought I was off the planet etc etc, with my musical tastes...... so I am most definately not putting you down or writting you off because you appreciate underground, alternative music of this youths era,....... its just not music I can get into... it doesn't have the soul/vibe I gravitate too.

Oh, it's not a problem mate - if I was offended/upset by everyone that disagreed with my music tastes, I'd have no friends. HJ doesn't love me because I love Opeth (sorry, HJ :( ) and my friends all love rap and hip-hop.

It's great to be able to appreciate all sorts of different stuff. I love the "Golden Oldies" sort of stuff as well as my stuff.
 

stiffmeister

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I'll say this once and once only, death metal sucks. It's devil music (if you call this crap music)

I'd rather listen to a jackhammer on a building site.

Death metal really is the work of satan

Stick to real music such as Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Van Halen Etc
 

Suitman

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I'll say this once and once only, death metal sucks. It's devil music (if you call this crap music)

I'd rather listen to a jackhammer on a building site.

Death metal really is the work of satan

Stick to real music such as Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Van Halen Etc

And your parents probably thought that Zeppelin and co were the work of the devil.
Open mind mate.
I'm amazed at how much of todays music would have cut it in the 70's, and how much of the music in the 70's would have cut it today.


Suity
 

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