Gold Coast Bears/Nth Sydney/Gosford

[Stallion]

Hang on Stallion....

If junior footy is suffering in North Sydney, doesnt this prove that the Bears should NOT be allowed back into the comp?

If they are so bad at developing the game, why cement them in the area by bringing them into the NRL. Why not kill them off and bring in a group that can actually promote junior participation?

Still don't get it Doc! The losing of the top flight presence does immeasurable damage to confidence , familiarity and local status of the code. That translates into a significant drop in junior numbers which has occured.

 

[Perth Red]

Who woulda thought,you'd give that response.Is the sky blue?
Well certainly include those closer to civilisation like Adelaide,Brisbane 2,2nd NZ,Ipswich,should just about do it.WA economy now last on the list re growth.Perhaps inclusion in a SthjAfrican rl comp.

We should be thankful then that the placement of a future NRL club will not be based on a states economic growth level lol

Based on Stallions calculations our 2.1million people in Perth can sustain at least 3 NRL clubs!

 

[taipan]

We should be thankful then that the placement of a future NRL club will not be based on a states economic growth level lol

You should be just thankful ,we are even talking about Perth as a possible applicant.
In view of the crap food provided at the 25th century stadium.

 

[Stallion]

Then are fans who support them because they like the jersey and dont care where they play!

Yes. They follow for all manner and types of reasons. That's not questioned at all. By losing its localness you lose its origins and subsequently its credibility and foundation. That matters. And yes Im a big fan of the Roosters jumper and things like altering their name to vague locality names don't endear fans like myself to the Roosters. I've mentioned b4 that the Roosters surveyed fans for "why we supported the club" and my answer was the jumper. The initial attraction , a jumper, then the rest flowed on from that.

 

[Perth Red]

You should be just thankful ,we are even talking about Perth as a possible applicant.
In view of the crap food provided at the 25th century stadium.

Its ok we wont be playing NRL there, we'll leave the sht overpriced food to the AFL and cricket fans (not that nibs is much better!)

 

[Stormwarrior82]

How dumb are you! ? The gain into the Sydney sports market was pronounced when the split and lack of confidence occured in the NRL. ! And the three cities must hurt your implosion logic as that is exactly what is involved. Not one NSW city but three! I'm sure I might have to qualify everything I say for you implosion dodos! You deserve the name calling. With the crap and time wasting you are creating! Calling a spade a spade mate!

Are you sure your a teacher? Clearly you don’t teach English. God help the kids. Have you even read and comprehended anything I have said? What is my implosion logic? What part of my explanation has been about implosion? It’s not implosion if the bears stay in 2nd tier. It’s called consolidating. These 3 cities you speak off all have Nrl clubs now actively trying to engage grassroots. You are the one that wants to remove the roosters from central coast? That’s implosion! How is that helping the current batch of 5-20yr old kids in that area? You sir are the one with implosion logic!

Yes (2000-2015) was more pronounced but it also coincided with the afl getting loads more money from tv deals. That was the major factor. There has been Sydney club bosses jockeying for power in the Nrl ever since super league and have a degree of entitlement without doing anything for fans. That has been the major factor in disenfranchised fan base.

Look I could go on and on with you and shut down every one of your stupid examples with fair, logical, unbiased answers and you would still stand in a 20m hole with a shovel still digging. Agree to disagree

 

[Stallion]

Are you sure your a teacher? Clearly you don’t teach English. God help the kids. Have you even read and comprehended anything I have said? What is my implosion logic? What part of my explanation has been about implosion? It’s not implosion if the bears stay in 2nd tier. It’s called consolidating. These 3 cities you speak off all have Nrl clubs now actively trying to engage grassroots. You are the one that wants to remove the roosters from central coast? That’s implosion! How is that helping the current batch of 5-20yr old kids in that area? You sir are the one with implosion logic!

Yes (2000-2015) was more pronounced but it also coincided with the afl getting loads more money from tv deals. That was the major factor. There has been Sydney club bosses jockeying for power in the Nrl ever since super league and have a degree of entitlement without doing anything for fans. That has been the major factor in disenfranchised fan base.

Look I could go on and on with you and shut down every one of your stupid examples with fair, logical, unbiased answers and you would still stand in a 20m hole with a shovel still digging. Agree to disagree

The very mention of tier two is 2nd rate stormwarrior! You put a club in what's deemed as tier two you have butchered them in Australia. That's the way it is. It's cultural. For instance, having a footy chat at the pub: Your team is tier 2 and the other guy has a top flight team. Go figure?
Guess who finishes the discussion with " My team is in first grade! Where's yours champ! Or should I say 2nd grader!" That's what goes on believe it or not. "Tier two" means 'tears and death' to that club in Australian terms. That's the way it is!

 

[Stallion]

Its ok we wont be playing NRL there, we'll leave the sht overpriced food to the AFL and cricket fans (not that nibs is much better!)

On that note definite moves are afoot to test the possible areas for two more additional expansion clubs to tie in with the next tv deal. That is refreshing! Hope we (the code) goes with the Sunshine Coast Dolphins and the West Coast Pirates!

 

[Perth Red]

Let’s see if Beattie gets the gig and if he’s got the balls to push through expansion before 2023. After 9 years of thinking it might happen I’m no longer excited when I hear yet another “we need to put it on the table” statement.

 

[johnny plath]

On that note definite moves are afoot to test the possible areas for two more additional expansion clubs to tie on with the next tv deal. That is refreshing! Hope we come with the Sunshine Coast Dolphins and the West Coast Pirates!

please stfu about anything outside of Sydney because its obvious you don't have a clue. Why would Dolphins have anything to do with Sunshine Coast. Redcliffe dolphins would probably be the biggest leagues club outside of Broncos in Qld, definetely biggest outside of NRL clubs up here. No way Redcliffe and Sunny coast merge, there is nothing common between them. Redcliffe would enter as there own entity if at all, and Sunshine Coast as a region is no where near ready for an NRL team, theres f**k all corporate money up here, and no large industry. Just stop making shit up.

 

[Stallion]

please stfu about anything outside of Sydney because its obvious you don't have a clue. Why would Dolphins have anything to do with Sunshine Coast. Redcliffe dolphins would probably be the biggest leagues club outside of Broncos in Qld, definetely biggest outside of NRL clubs up here. No way Redcliffe and Sunny coast merge, there is nothing common between them. Redcliffe would enter as there own entity if at all, and Sunshine Coast as a region is no where near ready for an NRL team, theres f**k all corporate money up here, and no large industry. Just stop making shit up.

Should be allowed to wonder and surmise? I wasn't aware of the area set up. Now you have informed that's great you pelican ! From that I'm thinking the big leagues club of Redcliffe is a good base. So perhaps the Brisbane Dolphins playing out of Suncorp. That would be a good fit on that info so rudely given. BRISBANE DOLPHINS and WEST COAST PIRATES . Let's hope they get a gig in the Big League!

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Still don't get it Doc! The losing of the top flight presence does immeasurable damage to confidence , familiarity and local status of the code. That translates into a significant drop in junior numbers which has occured.

So, again, how does RL survive in places the NSWRL expanded to?

The Broncos usurped the BRL comp and replaced a dozen local teams with one united team. Are you telling us RL is dying in Brisbane?

Same in Canberra, Newcaslte, NZ, NQLD, Illawarra. How did RL survive the atrocity of entire competitions being relegated to reserve grade status?

Why is Sydney so different?

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Just In regards to branding @Stallion ...

Eastern Suburbs last won in 1975 and were grand finalists in 1980. Went 20 years before another GF appeareance.

Changed their name and logo to Sydney Roosters in 2000 and instantly were runners up.

Won 2002, runners up in 2003 & 2004 and again in 2010. Won again in 2013. Prelim finalists in 2014, 2015 and 2017.
Finalists 2000-04, 2008, 2010, 2013-15, 2017 (seven years missed in 18).
Even found time to win a spoon in 2009.

I think they've done alright not being East Sydney Roosters.

 

[taipan]

Its ok we wont be playing NRL there, we'll leave the sht overpriced food to the AFL and cricket fans (not that nibs is much better!)

You're correct you won't be playing NRL there.Them's the breaks.

 

[Stallion]

So, again, how does RL survive in places the NSWRL expanded to?

The Broncos usurped the BRL comp and replaced a dozen local teams with one united team. Are you telling us RL is dying in Brisbane?

Same in Canberra, Newcaslte, NZ, NQLD, Illawarra. How did RL survive the atrocity of entire competitions being relegated to reserve grade status?

Why is Sydney so different?

Different scenario. I will comment that someone forwarded information about media coverage percentages in each city. Sydney was over 70 percent rugby league and Brisbane was 40 percent. So the monopoly that the Broncos are forcing over Brisbane is not doing rugby league exposure/chatter any favours! Their should be another team playing out of Brisbane. And I would suggest you reduce your implosion agenda for Sydney based clubs as the gut feel is that two added clubs will be admitted for the next tv deal. Meaning an 18 team NRL without the blood letting you so fervently and ignorantly support. That Doc is a positive outcome for the code!

 

[Stallion]

Just In regards to branding @Stallion ...

Eastern Suburbs last won in 1975 and were grand finalists in 1980. Went 20 years before another GF appeareance.

Changed their name and logo to Sydney Roosters in 2000 and instantly were runners up.

Won 2002, runners up in 2003 & 2004 and again in 2010. Won again in 2013. Prelim finalists in 2014, 2015 and 2017.
Finalists 2000-04, 2008, 2010, 2013-15, 2017 (seven years missed in 18).
Even found time to win a spoon in 2009.

I think they've done alright not being East Sydney Roosters.

Take your point. The name though has no effect on onfield performance. My naming suggestion is aimed at better informing all public spheres , both domestic and international of where and who the Roosters are. EAST reflecting their locality in Sydney and historical name links, SYDNEY detailing whereabouts in an Australia wide competition including international viewers, and ROOSTERS maintaining their logo as per usual. EAST SYDNEY ROOSTERS. ATM Sydney Roosters is a vague location name lacking specificity and probably taking the mickey out of the other Sydney based clubs. Just my thoughts for a better and more appropriate name.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Take your point. The results though have no effect on onfield performance. My naming suggestion is aimed at bettet informing all public spheres , both domestic and international of where and who the Roosters are. EAST reflecting their locality in Sydney and historical name links, SYDNEY detailing where abouts in an Australia wide competition and international viewers, ROOSTERS maintaining their logo as per usual. EAST SYDNEY ROOSTERS. ATM Sydney Roosters is a vague location name lacking specificity and probably taking the mickey out of the other Sydney based clubs. Just my thoughts for a better and more appropriate name.

Were the Eastern Suburbs ever called East Sydney in any capacity?

 

[Stallion]

Were the Eastern Suburbs ever called East Sydney in any capacity?

Not sure ? Don't think so. Just think the version I suggest is more appropriate for a national competition and the clubs standing with the other Sydney based clubs. Remembering the that the Roosters were never once called Sydney Roosters back in the Eastern Suburbs days. Just think that name EAST SYDNEY ROOSTERS achieves alot more for what's happening nowadays. Brings a bit of historical reference back to the name as well .

 

[The Great Dane]

You had plenty of time to figure out I had included cities that are well and truelly part of this scenario!? Both the areas of Illawarra and Central Coast have well over 300000 each in population along with Sydney approaching 5400000. Melbourne and Geelong have about 5200000 combined. And I'll chip you on another mistake you have made. You incorrectly asserted that I figured 1million West Magpies fans in Oz. If you care to read properly the figure is 150000. And you went on your ridicule cheap shot tyrade without foundation.

So I'm just supposed to just figure it out when you decide to add the whole populations of another city and region into your calculations for the population of a third unconnected city... Yeah whatever mate.

I have provided you with mathematical figures supporting the maintenence and reentering of a further NRL club for Sydney and surrounds and you keep ignoring the logic involved. The game is way good enough to sustain at least 10 NRL clubs in the 3 cities that are in this discourse.

The problem with your "logic" is that it's based on a ton of presuppositions that are presupposed without evidence and are just asserted, so if I don't accept the presuppositions then all the "logic" that follows doesn't mean a dame thing cause the base of the argument is faulty and you have failed to support it.

Your "logic" also seem to be extremely internally inconsistent, with rules that apply to Sydney and Sydney clubs that don't apply to out of Sydney clubs etc, and because you outright refuse to answer questions or even discuss criticisms of these internal inconsistencies at all there's no way for you to clear up those logical inconsistencies if they are in fact simple misunderstandings, I don't think that they are misunderstandings you just don't care that you are completely inconsistent in your "logic", but we'll never know cause you wont even engage in attempting to clear it up, in fact you seemingly wont engage in anything that doesn't follow a pre-scripted argument that you've laid out, if anyone leaves the script you ignore what they said and try to twist the conversation back onto your script.

That's why I don't take you seriously, and I haven't since the first time that we communicated, cause you refuse to engage with any ideas that don't already fit into your 'world view' (for lack of a better term), so what is the point in taking you seriously there's nothing to be gained by it...

I note you conveniently avoid the discussion of three cities and just retort to the one. You sly dog!

I have no problem with discussing the three different cities, I do however have a problem with you trying to arbitrarily merge their numbers into one to suit yourself when they aren't one city, they are as you say three (if you consider Gosford a city, I don't think that it's recognised as a city, could be wrong though).

What you are saying is that there should be 10 clubs in Sydney when what you mean is that there should be 8 in Sydney and 1 each in Woolongong an Gosford, by merging the two concepts into one you are just confusing the issue...

And the BEARS wording is still legible (definitely on the eastern concourse stand side) at Gosford stadium! If you look at the colour seating arrangement you can plainly identify BEARS repeatedly right across that side.

Maybe they are still on the eastern stand, I'm not sure and I don't really care, but they were defiantly replaced in at least some parts of the stadium at some point.

 

[The Great Dane]

please stfu about anything outside of Sydney because its obvious you don't have a clue. Why would Dolphins have anything to do with Sunshine Coast. Redcliffe dolphins would probably be the biggest leagues club outside of Broncos in Qld, definetely biggest outside of NRL clubs up here. No way Redcliffe and Sunny coast merge, there is nothing common between them. Redcliffe would enter as there own entity if at all, and Sunshine Coast as a region is no where near ready for an NRL team, theres f**k all corporate money up here, and no large industry. Just stop making shit up.

And the Sunshine Coast doesn't have the facilities to support a club and wont be getting them anytime soon...