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Has the Sleeping Giant Finally Awoken?

Has the Sleeping Giant Finally Awoken?

  • Yes

    Votes: 66 47.8%
  • No

    Votes: 72 52.2%

  • Total voters
    138
  • Poll closed .

Rammo

Juniors
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OVP said:
Ummm so you dont regard your own country as important ?

People who hate soccer regard their country more importantly than those who like it.

People who hate the game are real Australians, Soccer is only a good game for 1 age group, Girls aged between 5 and 10.
 

ali

Bench
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Rammo said:
People who hate soccer regard their country more importantly than those who like it.

People who hate the game are real Australians, Soccer is only a good game for 1 age group, Girls aged between 5 and 10.

What has happened to this forum? It's posts like this that have just reminded me why I have been avoiding the NRL section since the season ended. What is wrong with some of the people in here? You can not honestly believe that? Do you vote One Nation? Although, I'd guess you are probably not old enough to vote.
 

melon....

Coach
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ali said:
What has happened to this forum? It's posts like this that have just reminded me why I have been avoiding the NRL section since the season ended. What is wrong with some of the people in here? You can not honestly believe that? Do you vote One Nation? Although, I'd guess you are probably not old enough to vote.
Ali, you need to forgive Rammo...hewas the implement that was used in the pool at Coffs.
 

Misty Bee

First Grade
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Tommy Smith said:
I would if i wasnt so gobsmacked. To suggest that football is easy is laughable and smacks of someone who has absolutely no idea. MistyBee, didnt you say you were sh!t at football? So obviously it isnt easy. Or are you just one of those uncoordinated people who are sh!t are everything?

I never said soccer was easy. I said League required a greater range of skills. Soccer is for the fleet footed. I imagine soccer players would make good dancers. I imagine somone like Alfie Langer, Benji Marshall, Joey Johns, Lockyer etc would be deft at soccer.

Where on the soccer field do you plonk Arthur Beetson, Shane Webcke, Eric Grothe, Greame Eadie, Trevor Gillmeister etc?

BTW, I never said I was sh*t at football. I said I was of the less skilled at soccer.There are a vast range of skills that a human bing may have, rather than dribbling a round ball and feigning a horrible death when you trip over a competitor.

Tommy Smith said:
Ive said it before and i'll say it again, its a simple matter of motor skills. Its much harder to perform skills at a high level withoyour feet than it is with your hands because we are much better at controlling our hands. And you dont just kick the ball. You have to control it, dribble it and when you do kick it it has to be very accurate - the speed has to be right, the timing, the flight if its through the air...anyone can kick a ball, but very few are actually high quality footballers. It is much easier to learn to catch and pass a rugby ball.

Not necessarily. It's far easier to kick somthing with one leg than pass it with 2. Besides, passing isn't the only skill in league.

Defence is a definite learned art. The 'art' of trackling low for a kid sometimes takes ages to master. Then at the top level, there's the ruck wars - which is all about the attacking player falling on thir chest to facilitate a quick play the ball - and the defence's skill in preventing that. These are skills more similar to trad wrestling movs, which sometimes involves the co-ordination of the entire body -not just a leg.

I'll grant you this - seeing a hugly skilled player in soccer doing their wizardry with the ball is one of the great thrills in sport. However, we never saw any of that last week. And in League/Union, the skill level is wider. That's why different types of people can play it.

Arthur Betson was the most skilled footballer I have ever seen, of any code -note, not fastest, strongst, wisest etc. To me, his ball skills were unmatchable. And he's be sh*t at soccer. Doesn't mean he didn't have skill in abundance.

Tommy Smith said:
The socceroos players could quite easily become outside backs in Rugby League of a decent standard (not NRL but local comps) after a year or so. Forwards in Rugby league would never in a million years learn to play football and enither would most backs.

Until a big bloke like Eric Grothe or Matt King ran over top of 'em.

Then again, you class a decnt standard as Metro Cup, which by your estimations a bloke like Kewell could achieve after a year.

I reckon half the NRL could play A league in the same time.

besides, all NRL players already are at the top level in football. Just not soccer.

And when you say 'football', please elaborat on which of th 6 types of football you mean: Rugby League football, Rugby Union football, Australian Rules football, American football, Gaelic football or soccer.
 

Misty Bee

First Grade
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Tommy Smith said:
Yes they have good footwork. but what about with a ball at their feet. Mark Riddell good at football:lol: I dont think you quite understand what is required to be a footballer. The blokes you mentioned have rather athletic builds for forwards but that means absolutely nothing in regards to their footballing abilities. Same goes for backs.

This sums it up for me:

Misty Bee wrote: My boys all started playing soccer. Like dad, never terribly good, but they were better than I. After 2 seasons, they each decided to play League. Their own choice, not mine. I just helped them convince Mum. The point is that they could take a hit up, and with training, tackle well, so they got self esteem out of it. Constantly being beaten for the ball by smaller, quicker kids never gave them that.

The kids could never master football but with a bit of training could learn to tackle and take a hit-up.

Yeah, dingbat, meannig their skills and abilities were different! Like soccer players who would be sh*t at league because they are of slim and puny build. Have a look at last weeks socerroos game - players writing around in pain - how the f**k would they cope with being tackled??? :arrow: hospital!

That's why they play soccer, and others play League, and still others play golf, others paint, build, design, cook, sew - because people are different!!!

Are you telling me that the skills of Ian Thorpe, Pete Sampras, Sachin Tendulkar, Shane Warne etc are not skilled because they can't kick a ball around???
 

melon....

Coach
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Misty you ape, all you have to do is look at the ESL. The ESL is full of ex Soccer players that couldnt cut the mustard for the top league. A course of "supplements" and weights and bingo!! Its Bradford!!
 

Misty Bee

First Grade
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Melon, name on player in the ESL who played soccer all their junior life, and turned to league after being knocked back for a contract with a premier league club? :roll:

How would Beckham handle ESL? He'd make Finch look like Alex Murphy!!!!
 

Tommy Smith

Referee
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Misty Bee said:
Yeah, dingbat, meannig their skills and abilities were different! Like soccer players who would be sh*t at league because they are of slim and puny build. Have a look at last weeks socerroos game - players writing around in pain - how the f**k would they cope with being tackled??? :arrow: hospital!

That's why they play soccer, and others play League, and still others play golf, others paint, build, design, cook, sew - because people are different!!!

Are you telling me that the skills of Ian Thorpe, Pete Sampras, Sachin Tendulkar, Shane Warne etc are not skilled because they can't kick a ball around???
Ofcourse they are.

But IMO, in terms of difficulty of mastering football skills well enough to play in the EPL on a degree of one to ten it would almost be a 10. To play Rugby League at NRL level it would be a 7 or 8 IMO. Tennis at the top level would also be close to 10 as well. You can get away with being of a poorer standard in rugby league alot more than you can in football. If you get the rugby league ball and dont know what to do you can atleast just run with it and get tackled. Same scenario in football and you're screwed. You'll lose the ball. There are plenty of league players who arent IMO skilled but make it because they're big or are tough and very good tacklers. Blokes like O'Meley and Kevin Campion come to mind. They've played Origin but id definaitely question theyre skill level. They're still good athletes but what they do doesnt require too much skill IMO. For footballers there are no ways out. You're either good/skilled or you're not and will get seriously shown up.

You could put a bloke on a league field who has no skill, but if you spent a few months learning him the defensive structure of the team and taught him how to tackle then he could blend in alittle. He still wouldnt be much good obviously, but as long as he could tackle and went up with the defensive line properly he woudlnt get comletely embarrassed.

If a bloke has no skill in football there is nowhere to hide.
 

taipan

Referee
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Tommy Smith said:
Ofcourse they are.

But IMO, in terms of difficulty of mastering football skills well enough to play in the EPL on a degree of one to ten it would almost be a 10. To play Rugby League at NRL level it would be a 7 or 8 IMO. Tennis at the top level would also be close to 10 as well. You can get away with being of a poorer standard in rugby league alot more than you can in football. If you get the rugby league ball and dont know what to do you can atleast just run with it and get tackled. Same scenario in football and you're screwed. You'll lose the ball. There are plenty of league players who arent IMO skilled but make it because they're big or are tough and very good tacklers. Blokes like O'Meley and Kevin Campion come to mind. They've played Origin but id definaitely question theyre skill level. They're still good athletes but what they do doesnt require too much skill IMO. For footballers there are no ways out. You're either good/skilled or you're not and will get seriously shown up.


You could put a bloke on a league field who has no skill, but if you spent a few months learning him the defensive structure of the team and taught him how to tackle then he could blend in alittle. He still wouldnt be much good obviously, but as long as he could tackle and went up with the defensive line properly he woudlnt get comletely embarrassed.

If a bloke has no skill in football there is nowhere to hide.



Thats the biggest load of crap I have read for ages. Offloading. hand to eye coordination ,spotting a gap in an instant,twisting and spinning in tackles,sidestepping,setting up supports,the ability to chance ones strength in crashing througn a tackle, front on defence, grass cutting tackles,and doing this whilst suffering pain and not diving for effect.If you didnt see the try scored by O'Meley as he juggled the ball with defenders clinging to him,you are talking nonsense.If they dont have skills(in many cases specialist) and can use them,they arent in 1st grade end of story.of course some players are more skilled than others Johns,Webke etc.
On your story,blokes like Arthur Beetson lacked skill :lol: :lol:
 

melon....

Coach
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Misty Bee said:
Melon, name on player in the ESL who played soccer all their junior life, and turned to league after being knocked back for a contract with a premier league club? :roll:

How would Beckham handle ESL? He'd make Finch look like Alex Murphy!!!!
The advantage of playing Soccer before converting to league is two fold. From a physical sense, young players' bodies have a better chance of developing if they arent exposed to hard contact like league from an early age. IMO kids should play league from their early teens...the end of promary school to early high school is probably a good time to adopt league. Also younger kids playing soccer learn to kick with both feet and get a great sense of balance. When they switch to league, they are a head above the "league only" kiddies, because of the skills they have developed playing the round ball code.

Beckham would be hopeless, but Phil Clarke and Martin Offiah were cut from Premier league train on squads in their day. i dont know who today would be an ex soccer player in the ESL, but its odds on some of them are soccer rejects.
 

Misty Bee

First Grade
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Melon, I understand the junior thing. Saying that soccer is more skilld though, is rubbish. Its a game where players have to have the same skills. That's where League is different, because you get multi skilling. Put Offiah at halfback and see what happens.

Dingbats like Tommy belive the only skill God ever invented is the skill to kick a round ball. To him, the skill of a good League defensive player aka Gillmeister doesn't exist. Tommy, It takes a lot longer to master the art of being a Rugby League defenser than a bloody round ball dribbler. Blokes who just stand in front of things become turnstiles, because the'yd be sidestepped. They are the people who fling an arm out. Like soccer players.

Soccer has one skill. Dancing with a ball on the ground.

If you reckon it's so wonderful, Tommy, f**k of back to England where you dopn't have to troll a Rugby League forum to find another soccer fan.
 

B-dos

Referee
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Saying that soccer is more skilld though, is rubbish. Its a game where players have to have the same skills. That's where League is different, because you get multi skilling. Put Offiah at halfback and see what happens.

You idoit. There is a huge difference between a Defender and a Striker in soccer. Just as there is a huge difference between a Winger and a Prop in League. Take your league goggles off mate.
 

Raider Ultra

Bench
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Anyone claiming that league is more skillful than soccer is kidding themselves. Halfback is the only position that even comes close. Skills like tackling, spinning, plaming can be taught. The world's most outstanding soccer players are born with skill that cannot be taught (If you don't believe me watch Ronaldinho in action).
 

Misty Bee

First Grade
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F**k me, in soccer you only use 2 limbs! If you can't dance, youre f**ked!

BTW, skills can't be taught????? Lets close down every school, TAFE and Uni then.

Soccer trolls :arrow: Uraguay where someone gives a sh*t!
 

Surely

Post Whore
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100,478
Horses for courses isn't it, although controlling a ball using only ones feet and head is a fair bit harder than passing and catching a ball.
 

Boing Boing

Juniors
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This thread is ludicrous. Of course there will be reactions like this on a primarily Rugby League message board. Reactions would be similarly polar on a Soccer message board. what a waste of an hour.
 

Steelers4eva

Juniors
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247
Raider Ultra said:
Anyone claiming that league is more skillful than soccer is kidding themselves. Halfback is the only position that even comes close. Skills like tackling, spinning, plaming can be taught. The world's most outstanding soccer players are born with skill that cannot be taught (If you don't believe me watch Ronaldinho in action).

Yep, just ask Mark Viduka or David Beckham just how hard it is to miss a target about 7 metrs wide and 3 mtrs tall from 9 mtres away.
 

laurie

Juniors
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296
u only use two parts of the body what about ya chest and ya head !! what about the goalie who uses his hands !!

Both games are awsome but soccer is definatly the more skillfull.
 

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