Have the Tigers convinced Moltzen to stay? Release sought from his Saints contract

[saint_marto88]

Our CEO's record of re-signing Lawrence, Ayshford, Ellis, Woods, Groat and signing Blair this year and Tuqiri is quite impressive.

The clean out of the players and re=signing of our younger players has also been very good. The clean out suggests at least one more player to come in the next two years.

It is not a record of inept management.

Nice work. Despite his "record", it's still clear and obvious that he has handled this situation rather poorly.

 

[_Johnsy]

Our CEO's record of re-signing Lawrence, Ayshford, Ellis, Woods, Groat and signing Blair this year and Tuqiri is quite impressive.

The clean out of the players and re=signing of our younger players has also been very good. The clean out suggests at least one more player to come in the next two years.

It is not a record of inept management.

Or his record of letting benji & sheens run the entire show

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Our CEO's record of re-signing Lawrence, Ayshford, Ellis, Woods, Groat and signing Blair this year and Tuqiri is quite impressive.

The clean out of the players and re=signing of our younger players has also been very good. The clean out suggests at least one more player to come in the next two years.

It is not a record of inept management.

The purchase of Blair will hurt the Tigers in the long run, paid massive overs if the reported figures are true. Lawrence and Ellis are good re-signings, the other blokes are just your average seasonal maintenance, certainly nothing to brag about.

I wouldn't say Tigers recruitment is any better or any worse than the top 8 or so teams in the comp.

Irrespective of all of that, Humphries has conducted himself in an extremely unprofessional manner that will likely put a few doubts in the minds of managers and other clubs alike when negotiating with him.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Doust hasn't presented himself as the most competent businessman either. As a matter of due dilligence Doust should have clarified that Moltzen had been released from the Tigers rather than relying on the word of his manager. I know you want to absolve your own of responsibility for this embarassing affair but you have to put your parchialism aside and admit that it takes two to tango.

Doust notified Humphries before the announcement that it was going to be made. Humphries also made it clear to the player and manager in question that they were free to negotiate with other clubs. The coach of the club also said in a press conference that Moltzen was leaving.

I'm not a fan of a lot of what Doust does, but had there really been an issue with the release Humphries would have been contesting it well before Lui belted his missus.

 

[R2Coupe]

The purchase of Blair will hurt the Tigers in the long run, paid massive overs if the reported figures are true. Lawrence and Ellis are good re-signings, the other blokes are just your average seasonal maintenance, certainly nothing to brag about.

I wouldn't say Tigers recruitment is any better or any worse than the top 8 or so teams in the comp.

Irrespective of all of that, Humphries has conducted himself in an extremely unprofessional manner that will likely put a few doubts in the minds of managers and other clubs alike when negotiating with him.

If your only concern about Blair is his salary well there are no concerns.

The discerning rugby league supporter will know Woods and Groat are far from average. Certainly both were good enough to do over the Dragons pack the two games we played towards the end of the year. Then again it could always be attributed to the obligatory end of season Dragons' choke and in that case refer to the Heimlich maneuver
.

As for Humphries. his record suggests the corporate world and players outside of the club find the Tigers an attractive destination.

 

[Guvner]

Our CEO's record of re-signing Lawrence, Ayshford, Ellis, Woods, Groat and signing Blair this year and Tuqiri is quite impressive.

The clean out of the players and re=signing of our younger players has also been very good. The clean out suggests at least one more player to come in the next two years.

It is not a record of inept management.

You mean doing all the things Doust has done for the last decade plus under more trying circumstances. Sheens runs your club, you are kidding yourself to think otherwise.

 

[Gas Panic!]

Yep, if I was a heavy hitting corporate type, I'd love to be associated with the Tigers and Robert Lui.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Yep, if I was a heavy hitting corporate type, I'd love to be associated with the Tigers and Robert Lui.

You can have your opinion, the Tigers can have Harry Triguboff...

 

[hybrid_tiger]

I have no doubt our player movement could have been handled better than it was, but for those saying Humphries is an amateur, consider:

- We have made more profit with him at the helm than any other CEO.
- We have reputable sponsors, again paying us more money than in the past.
- We have signed two high quality players since Humphries took over (Tuqiri and Blair) and I'd be willing to bet he will make it a hat trick in 2013

Sure some departures could have been handled better but these are minor points at the end of the day. What matters is out stability off the park in terms of dollars and the team we put on the field. Losing average players like Moltzen, rotten apples like Fifita and average club men like Gibbs (as much as I like him as a player), well I certainly won't lose any sleep over these losses.

At the end of the day, what negative impact will it have on the club? Very little. What matters is the $$$ off the field and quality players on it and we have both at the moment.*

So bag Humphries for handling player departures poorly, but he's not an amateur. If he was we wouldn't be in such a strong position.

Once next year comes around the downhill skiier Moltzen will be forgotten about and we all move on. I'd back Brown or Reddy to do a MUCH better job at fullback.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

If your only concern about Blair is his salary well there are no concerns.

The discerning rugby league supporter will know Woods and Groat are far from average. Certainly both were good enough to do over the Dragons pack the two games we played towards the end of the year. Then again it could always be attributed to the obligatory end of season Dragons' choke and in that case refer to the Heimlich maneuver
.

As for Humphries. his record suggests the corporate world and players outside of the club find the Tigers an attractive destination.

Our pack was one of the worst in the comp for the 2nd half of the season, it's nothing to brag about. I also didn't say they were average players, I said they were average seasonal maintenance, ie players every club makes a concerted effort to re-sign. It's not like they were a massive coup.

Save your choking comments for someone else, it won't get me riled up, especially coming from a fan of club that had one of the bigger chokes (a real choke, not just a loss) in recent history against the Warriors.

 

[Willow]

It's odd that some of these self proclaimed supporters of Humphreys don't even know how to spell his name.

 

[_Johnsy]

Dead set what is this joke of a club doing, their CEO says he'll be staying as a formal release has not been granted then changes his mind and releases a statement (2 days ago) saying he'll end up at Dragons. Now we have the bloke who is helping Sheens run the club contradicting what the "CEO" is publicly saying.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/moltzen-still-a-going-concern-for-tigers-20111010-1lhl9.html
Moltzen still a going concern for Tigers
Brad Walter
October 11, 2011
WESTS TIGERS players will be disappointed if utility Tim Moltzen is released to St George Illawarra next season.

After months of to-ing and fro-ing between the two clubs, the Tigers are now expected to formalise Moltzen's transfer to the Dragons within days but star five-eighth Benji Marshall said he had been of the belief that the 23-year-old was staying put.

''He is in [Las] Vegas so I don't even know if he knows what is going on,'' Marshall said.

''The last I heard he was staying around so I just believe the last thing I heard, and that is that he was staying. If he does go, it will be a big loss for the club, and as mates I think a few of the boys will be pretty disappointed."

The Dragons signed Moltzen in August and the Herald understands that St George Illawarra officials were not aware there was any problem with his move until the Tigers revealed last week that a formal release had never been granted.

After deciding to look elsewhere when the Tigers were trying to free up salary cap space to accommodate star recruit Adam Blair, Moltzen is understood to have had a change of heart and the club was keen for him to stay.

''One minute we thought he was going, then we might have kept him, then he's going, so I don't know,'' centre Chris Lawrence said. ''That's for himself, his manager and both clubs to decide. They have to work out what's best for him and try to work out an agreement between the two clubs.''

I actually feel for the WT supporters.

 

[betcats]

This is becoming a joke, f**king sort it out.

 

[Willow]

After months of to-ing and fro-ing between the two clubs

Ever since Moltzen was signed, Dragons have said very little. It's WT that have been the media's main go-to guys throughout this. The WT CEO, coach, players... next a player's mum will have something to say about it.

"One minute we thought he was going, then we might have kept him, then he's going, so I don't know," centre Chris Lawrence said.

Even Lawrence can see the backflips.

What an unneccessary mess. Humphreys should just go on a nice long holiday and let other people handle it.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

It's odd that some of these self proclaimed supporters of Humphreys don't even know how to spell his name.

Who gives a shit.

 

[Willow]

Who gives a shit.

Testy.

 

[_Johnsy]

Here is an idea Humphreys & WT players. Offer no comment (after the club releases one solitary comment) until the whole saga has been sorted out.

 

[_Johnsy]

 

[R2Coupe]

You mean doing all the things Doust has done for the last decade plus under more trying circumstances. Sheens runs your club, you are kidding yourself to think otherwise.

Excellent, Sheens has a good rapport with the players. Attracting Blair is a coup regardless of which way you want to push your agenda.

Having the Stewart and Sims Brothers playing for other teams suggests your club is right on top of its junior identification and retention.

 

[saint_marto88]

Excellent, Sheens has a good rapport with the players. Attracting Blair is a coup regardless of which way you want to push your agenda.

Having the Stewart and Sims Brothers playing for other teams suggests your club is right on top of its junior identification and retention.

Can't keep them all. Our recent success will suggest we made the right choice.