Have the Tigers convinced Moltzen to stay? Release sought from his Saints contract

[R2Coupe]

The Stewart bros were signed to Manly when they were 14 and 15 year olds. Tough for the Dragons to stop that from happening.

Who do you support R2C? I bet we could find a fair number of talented youngsters from your clubs catchment area that are playing elsewhere

I have to say the work of Wests and Balmain has been very good in identifying and retaining the best of our juniors. You will always lose some, but I remember the Stewart brothers playing I believe Flegg not long after signing for Manly. Actully Stewart would have played fullback in SG Ball for Illawarra.

 

[R2Coupe]

It's odd that some of these self proclaimed supporters of Humphreys don't even know how to spell his name.

Apparently your own CEO has difficulty with Humphreys' name in his latest press release.

 

[Joe's Magpies]

Apparently your own CEO has difficulty with Humphreys' name in his latest press release.

And Doust thinks Benji Marshall is the captain of the Tigers. Idiot

 

[DRAGONZ_RULE]

I have to say the work of Wests and Balmain has been very good in identifying and retaining the best of our juniors. You will always lose some, but I remember the Stewart brothers playing I believe Flegg not long after signing for Manly. Actully Stewart would have played fullback in SG Ball for Illawarra.

The Dragons wanted Brett but not Glenn. Brett wouldn't sign unless Glenn was included.

Manly didn't want Glenn either but they didn't care about the extra coin, so they signed both of them .. Turned out to be lucky for them that Glenn ended up being pretty good, I guess.

 

[Southernsaint]

Apparently your own CEO has difficulty with Humphreys' name in his latest press release.

It doesn't matter what his name is...

 

[Southernsaint]

The Dragons wanted Brett but not Glenn. Brett wouldn't sign unless Glenn was included.

Manly didn't want Glenn either but they didn't care about the extra coin, so they signed both of them .. Turned out to be lucky for them that Glenn ended up being pretty good, I guess.

Brett's c**k-eyes didn't pass the Dragons medical, apparently.

 

[Pierced Soul]

Brett's c**k-eyes didn't pass the Dragons medical, apparently.

:lol: i dont know how he manages to run straight let alone catch the ball

 

[Goddo]

yeh right, not telling me if Boyd turned around tommorow and said he had changed his mind and really wanted to stay at the Dragons they wouldn't do the same thing!

No dopey, they wouldn't, because they had given verbal agreement for a relase which is legally binding in such negotiations (becuase by agreeing to the release verbally others have made financial decissions based on that agreement) and contracts had been signed to that effect.

And thats what this is all about - the Tigers agreed to release Moltzen because of cap pressure, and now the Lui has run his anual fight club at home the Tigers are backflipping.

The Tigers can't win this, especially if lawyers get involved - humpty dumpty, their nuffy CEO said as much the other day.

 

[Willow]

Apparently your own CEO has difficulty with Humphreys' name in his latest press release.

Haha! So true. At least you've now been schooled in the correct spelling. 'Humphries' would be proud of you.

But I don't think Doust idol worships Humphreys in the same manner that you do r2groupie. Or are you a fraud?

 

[muzby]

And Doust thinks Benji Marshall is the captain of the Tigers. Idiot

tbh wtih all the adjunct media hype around him, i also thought marshall was captain..

 

[Willow]

And Doust thinks Benji Marshall is the captain of the Tigers. Idiot

Not that it matters but I can't see it in the statement. Where does he call Marshall captain?

 

[muzby]

Where does he call Marshall captain?

only in the bedroom...



and only with an approved safety word..

 

[Lossy]

No dopey, they wouldn't, because they had given verbal agreement for a relase which is legally binding in such negotiations (becuase by agreeing to the release verbally others have made financial decissions based on that agreement) and contracts had been signed to that effect.

And thats what this is all about - the Tigers agreed to release Moltzen because of cap pressure, and now the Lui has run his anual fight club at home the Tigers are backflipping.

The Tigers can't win this, especially if lawyers get involved - humpty dumpty, their nuffy CEO said as much the other day.

I don't think Doust has winning in mind here. That's just a bonus. If Moltzen/Tauber are playing hide and seek he mightn't want Timmy anymore.

But what he does want is to make the NRL rule on it to clarify the release process. When the NRL come back and say that Moltzen will remain a Tiger as there was no written release given, Doust has an official reason to break from his stated tradition, and request a written release up-front before future negotiations.

It's convenient for all parties to operate without that now, but the Dragon's actions here may precipitate a change in how clubs action releases -- which I would expect with pending salary cap increases and their effects on squad depth -- or re-inforce the old ways due to mutual self-interest. Either outcome will help to avoid a repeat of this issue.

Regardless, Tauber, Moltzen, and the Tigers have created a rod for their own back. Those dealing with them can't take them at their word, to varying degrees. This will hamper them in the future.

 

[muzby]

I don't think Doust has winning in mind here. That's just a bonus. If Moltzen/Tauber are playing hide and seek he mightn't want Timmy anymore.

But what he does want is to make the NRL rule on it to clarify the release process. When the NRL come back and say that Moltzen will remain a Tiger as there was no written release given, Doust has an official reason to break from his stated tradition, and request a written release up-front before future negotiations.

It's convenient for all parties to operate without that now, but the Dragon's actions here may precipitate a change in how clubs action releases -- which I would expect with pending salary cap increases and their effects on squad depth -- or re-inforce the old ways due to mutual self-interest. Either outcome will help to avoid a repeat of this issue.

Regardless, Tauber, Moltzen, and the Tigers have created a rod for their own back. Those dealing with them can't take them at their word, at varying degrees. This will hamper them in the future.

very good point..


the tigers tell moltzen to explore other options (eg we don't really want to keep you) and he finds an option.

if humphries plays hard ball, essentially this sets the precident that players need to be released before they can shop themselves around, which means that the tigers should, realistically, have played the back half of the season without him..

and no moltezn for H2 of the 2011 season = tigers missing the 8..

 

[gronkathon]

and no moltezn for H2 of the 2011 season = tigers missing the 8..

Moltzen was gutless rubbish before the finals. Refused to run the ball back and was terrible under the bomb or ball bouncing low with defenders bearing down. His abscence would have been a benefit for mine.

I just want him gone but Timmy made up his mind he wanted to stay with Benji etc. Before round 23 he was looking at houses in the Gong but this stopped and he has gone to ground.

Please just release him so we can move forward

 

[Lossy]

very good point..


the tigers tell moltzen to explore other options (eg we don't really want to keep you) and he finds an option.

if humphries plays hard ball, essentially this sets the precident that players need to be released before they can shop themselves around, which means that the tigers should, realistically, have played the back half of the season without him..

and no moltezn for H2 of the 2011 season = tigers missing the 8..

At the very least an official 'letter of intent to release' lodged with the NRL that the NRL considers binding if a recruiting club's offer is accepted, else a club having to re-lodge a contract sans the released portion, so making the player a free agent at seasons-end.

The latter would make players quite edgy, but the former is quite clean, and only binding if a new contract is signed. But, once signed, there's no backing out.

 

[DoggiesBro]

He is probz scared he wont get paid. LOL at 40twenty

 

[Slackboy72]

At the very least an official 'letter of intent to release' lodged with the NRL that the NRL considers binding if a recruiting club's offer is accepted, else a club having to re-lodge a contract sans the released portion, so making the player a free agent at seasons-end.

The latter would make players quite edgy, but the former is quite clean, and only binding if a new contract is signed. But, once signed, there's no backing out.

Well if the NRL is obeying the law as it relates to contracts, and you'd think they would given the SL fiasco, then he was as good as released. Lodging an official release changes nothing. The only issue if it goes to court is if the third party can claim he was released or if that has to be done by Moltzen himself. I suspect the latter so it looks as if Moltzen will stay at the tigers.

 

[Lossy]

Well if the NRL is obeying the law as it relates to contracts, and you'd think they would given the SL fiasco, then he was as good as released. Lodging an official release changes nothing. The only issue if it goes to court is if the third party can claim he was released or if that has to be done by Moltzen himself. I suspect the latter so it looks as if Moltzen will stay at the tigers.

Can't see why they would. Unless the Dragons have something from the Tigers, aside from essentially meaningless public utterences. Verbal agreements between Tigers and Moltzen, and Moltzen and Dragons, don't equate to an agreement between Tigers and Dragons.

The NRL has been pretty matter-of-fact in only recognising the Tiger's contract, so I do think that club's formalising the release process to something binding in the NRL's is important. Reduces wiggle-room. Games will always be played, but every game needs boundaries.

 

[ShaiGuY]

I think many people have missed the point, Doust is saying it's standard practice for a player to sign FIRST before getting a release, and that is what he is doing with Boyd and Tagive. A player and manager would NOT ask for a release first then sign a contract with another club as there is a significant risk in that the club may have extenuating circumstances and not eventually sign the player leaving the player without a club. Take Daniel Mortimer as an example, what would happen if he was released early so he could find a club - and as you see he couldn't - he would be in a complete lurch.

In any case, the West Tigers have lost a significant amount of integrity in their dealings and I believe that Humphreys has really stuck his neck out - I just hope that he has full support of the West Tigers Board for his actions.