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Hayne fires a shot at Gallop

Loudstrat

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anybody come up with a good reason yet why there shouldn't be one or two marquee players per club that sit outside the salary cap?
Yes. Rich club A will pay $1 million each to attract 2 elite players. Almost rich clubs B, C and D pay $800k, so on and so forth. Poor clubs N, O and P who cannot afford a marquee player will see: a) any stars they develop leave, and b) the rich clubs flogging them with a massive roster.

Under that scenario Brisbane would have had Johns and Lockyer in the halves, and signed Folau and kept Covoniceva, Hannant, Stagg and Eastwood. Canberra would have lost Campo. Currently we are seeing a rare yet healthy shift of playing talent going from the top clubs to the rest - Civo to Penrith, Price to Warriors, Topou to Cronulla etc.

not saying he isn't a good player but this salary puts him up with the very top players in the NRL.
F*cking hell some people are thick.

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Yeah, PR, one day he might be an ok player...........:roll:
 

adamkungl

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As Loudstrat pointed out, a marquee player system has potential for large scale unfairness.

I much prefer a development reward system. Salary Cap concessions for long term players, and players developed into first graders, bonus points for being local juniors.

Of course, this won't be equal across all clubs mainly due to the size of junior catchment areas. But the rewards are tied to how much effort is put into juniors, development, and loyalty, rather than simply how much money the club is prepared to throw at a player.
 

Bluebags1908

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This is good news for the NRL. Especially the bits I highlighted in red. Intersting to see that even the Engligh RU have had player exodus problem with players going to France.

As for the comments from Jarryd Hayne - I agree with him that players should get more, not nothing can be done until the next TV deal. I will be very surprised and disappointed if the salary cap isn't dramaticaly increased after the next TV deal from $4.1m to at least $5m.

French rugby introduces salary limit of £7.1m

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/8420139.stm

French rugby's top-flight teams will be forced to implement a salary cap for the start of the 2010/11 season.
The salary cap will be set at £7.1m, a figure that still outstrips the current £4m limit imposed on Guinness Premiership clubs in England.

English rugby has seen an exodus of players move to France in recent years with fly-half Jonny Wilkinson's move to Toulon the highest-profile example.

England's James Haskell and Rikki Flutey also play their rugby in France.
Wilkinson, one of a number of summer arrivals at Toulon, is reportedly on a salary in excess of £600,000 a year, while Stade Francais' total wage bill is thought to be approaching £20m meaning they will need to make drastic cuts to come inside the new limit.

Teams will also have to make greater use of academy players from next season, with 40% of each squad having to come through the youth ranks, a figure that rises to 60% by the start of the 2012/13 season.

"It's up to each individual union and its respective league to set the salary cap," said the Rugby Football Union (RFU) in response to the news.
"We have seen some movement of players to French clubs and obviously financial incentive, though not exclusively, is a factor. We will wait and see what impact, if any, such a salary cap will have."

Premier Rugby, the umbrella body of English rugby's 12 Guinness Premiership clubs, say they welcome the news. "We have discussed how our salary cap works with our colleagues in France and we think it is the right way to go," a statement read.

However, like the RFU they were non-committal, when asked if they felt it would reduce the number of home-grown players, leaving for France.
"We will just have to see how it works out over the course of the next couple of seasons," added the statement.
 

Pazza

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The NRL should top up Hayne's contract by $500,000 for that try alone! That is the 2010 season ad right there, they dont even need to edit that footage!

Our athletes are our source of competitive advantage and other codes know this. When Union or AFL look to sign our players they arn't just after their athletic abilities, they are after the marketablity of these players. We can't continue to lose these players with strong brand recognition. They are what bring casual fans to hardcore fans, they bring in sponsors and they are the elite that our game has to offer. Tahu, Turquiri, Sailor, Hunt, Gasnier, SBW, King etc should never have left our game and i think that the games ability to grow has been hampered by our inability to pay our Athletes what they deserve.
 

hutch

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Under that scenario Brisbane would have had Johns and Lockyer in the halves, and signed Folau and kept Covoniceva, Hannant, Stagg and Eastwood. Canberra would have lost Campo. Currently we are seeing a rare yet healthy shift of playing talent going from the top clubs to the rest - Civo to Penrith, Price to Warriors, Topou to Cronulla etc.

on the other hand, under that scenario the bulldogs would still have sbw, dragons would have gasnier, penrith would have gower, melbourne matt king, the tigers would be assured of keeping benji, cowboys could hold onto thurston, broncos hunt or tuquri, nz warriors could have poached a big name all black etc.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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Under that system, no club could afford a marquee players system. The salary cap is where it is because clubs cant afford it to go up yet.
 

Ron Jeremy

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i noticed Gaba has contributed to this thread haha, is he still crying over Parramatta lol

he probably thinks Darius Boyd is better then Hayne LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
 

Green Machine

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Talking about the salary cap, interesting article on the Premier League and Paul Okon's thoughts on the NRL:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/a-battle-for-the-wages-20091218-l5sk.html

A battle for the wages
December 19, 2009

Former Socceroos captain Paul Okon believes the NRL should ditch the salary cap and adopt the English Premier League model, writes Daniel Lewis.
Like its most decorated player, Manchester United's Ryan Giggs, it is fast, powerful, skilful, massively entertaining, immensely wealthy and boasts a global appeal. The English Premier League is a stage as spectacular as its brightest stars.
Giggs, 36, has played virtually his entire career in the revolutionary competition that is the Premier League. It was a revolution that saw the clubs take control of the competition, as NRL clubs have threatened to do in Australia.
Football commentators like Alan Hansen, who captained Liverpool from 1985 to 1990, have no doubt that England's football product has never been better.
''The speed, intensity, fitness and the number of absorbing games are unmatched anywhere in the world,'' he said in The Premiership in Focus, a BBC book that looks at the first 15 years of the Premier League.
Giggs, who grew up in Wales, made his first appearance for United in the 1990-91 season and has been a regular first-team player since the 1991-92 season, when United finished runners-up to Leeds in the last year of the old First Division before the Premier League replaced it.
English football's Roy of the Rovers days were over as the Premier League embarked on a journey that made it bigger, better and sexier than Italy's Serie A and Spain's La Liga.
A talent as sublime as Giggs would once almost certainly have been lost to the likes of AC Milan or Real Madrid, but such is the strength of the Premier League that the winger is now in his 19th season at Old Trafford.
As well as retaining Britain's finest, the Premier League has been a magnet for the world's greatest footballing talent - including former Australian captain Paul Okon, who is now assistant coach with Gold Coast United in the A-League.
Before going to the Premier League to play with Middlesbrough and Leeds, Okon played in Italy's Serie A with Lazio and Fiorentina.
''The Italian competition was regarded for many years as the place where every foreign player wanted to go and play, but that's slowly changed and it's now England where you will see the best foreign players playing,'' he said.
Okon, 37, says that if NRL clubs are serious about growing their competition and displaying the finest talent available, they must look at copying the Premier League model.
It is a model, he said, that has enabled the clubs to maximise revenue via television. ''It allows you to invest more, pay more money to get the best players. [The Premier League] really was designed for the clubs to generate more money to really become the best competition in the world. People want to see the best games and the best players.''
And just like clubs in the Premier League, NRL clubs would have to be free to pay what was necessary in the pursuit of excellence. The salary cap would have to go, he said. ''To take it to the next level, to keep your stars here, it's definitely something they need to look at.''
Okon said one of the NRL's biggest problems was stopping stars going to England or rugby union - or now even to AFL. ''Football, globally, it's very difficult to cap things,'' he said. By creating a wealthy competition like the Premier League, all clubs would be able to survive without a cap.
Despite the lack of a cap - and some players earning more than $200,000 a week - ''you don't really see clubs going under [in the Premier League],'' Okon said.
A key criticism of the Premier League is that it has entrenched the power of the big four clubs - Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal - and made the competition boring.
Okon rejects that, saying sporting competitions around the world survived despite having clubs with seemingly bottomless pockets. And ''even though they don't have a cap, you still see the so-called smaller teams beating the bigger teams''.
''[The English Premier League clubs] have been able to move forward and grow a competition into something unique. The amount of money that's generated as a consequence of them breaking away and forming this EPL has been amazing.''
HOW THE ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE SYSTEM WORKS

* Founded in 1992 when the top tier of English football clubs declared they wanted a more equitable piece of the ever-expanding media rights pie - succeeding the previous model that split revenues among the top four tiers - the English Premier League has remained the most successful and lucrative model for breakaway leagues.
* 20 teams play each other twice a year, with the top 6-8 teams [depending on various criteria] qualifying for European competitions while the bottom three teams are relegated to the division below, the Football League Championship. Three clubs are promoted from the Championship each year.
* All matches are held in all-seater modern stadiums, a recommendation of the Taylor Report but fuelled by the substantial money coming into the game.
* Television rights for the league are sold by the Premier League organisation, while the Football League looks after three professional divisions below. In other countries, such as Italy and Spain, individual clubs sell their rights to their home games.
* The most recent EPL television rights deal, negotiated by British Sky Broadcasting as the primary broadcaster and Setanta as the secondary broadcaster, started in 2007 and runs out in 2010. BSkyB spent £1.314 billion, while Setanta spent £392 million.
* Television dividends are split between the 20 clubs, who make around £28m each year. By comparison, clubs from the Championship earn just £1m in television revenue.
* Clubs are given ''parachute payments'' of £6.5m for a subsequent two years after relegation.
* There is no salary cap.
* A challenge to the legality of the EPL's excessive bargaining power from the Office of Fair Trading saw this rights deal contribute £118.5m to developing neglected football facilities at lower levels.
Daniel Lewis
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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The salary cap has done this game alot of good, we arent at the stage yet where we can lose it. Even the NFL see the benefits of a salary cap.
 

Jankuloski

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You can see that he's a soccer player if he's dumb enough to make that comparison.

In soccer, if a much stronger team meets a much weaker team it results in 3:0 victory for the stronger one. The crowd go into a frenzy because of "the attacking nature of the game". In rugby in general, but especially in Rugby League when a stronger team meets a weaker one it results in a flogging 60:20 or something like that, where there is no contest and it's boring to see. We've seen this in the Four Nations. If they were playing soccer France v England would've been anyone's game. This is because soccer offers a lot of room for obstruction of open play, and points can easily be scored not through athelticism, but shear luck (just think of the idea of an auto-try and you'll see what I'm getting at).

No. 2 - soccer is world's #1 code, and Premier League is world's #1 league - people turn up to fill the stadiums just to be a part of it, and they would be there even if the players were asleep on the pitch (which is what is going on IMHO). I've starting following NRL this season, I've never been so thoroughly entertained week in, week out. Every team can create an upset against any other. The Parra fairytale run to the finals was unbelievable and would never happen if the comp wasn't so close.

So,
1) You say "comparing apples and oranges". In Serbia, we say "comparing grandmothers and frogs". This nitwit is comparing oranges and grandmothers.
2) The sallary cap and the closeness of the comp is the best thing the NRL has going for it now. Just increase it when we can.
 

The Tank

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on the other hand, under that scenario the bulldogs would still have sbw, dragons would have gasnier, penrith would have gower, melbourne matt king, the tigers would be assured of keeping benji, cowboys could hold onto thurston, broncos hunt or tuquri, nz warriors could have poached a big name all black etc.

Thank god that's now our current system!
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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Dont see why people bag Gower. Sure another junior comes along and fills the void, but I dont rate Jarrod Sammut or Luke Walsh as better players then Gower. The void has been replaced, but not with anything better.
 

Loudstrat

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on the other hand, under that scenario the bulldogs would still have sbw, dragons would have gasnier, penrith would have gower, melbourne matt king,
Eash club did better after those players left.
the tigers would be assured of keeping benji, cowboys could hold onto thurston,
Rubbish - they would have been poached by a richer club.
 

Loudstrat

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Gowers last season at Penrith was abysmal for Penrith.

Melbourne lost King, but found Folau and a spot for GI in the centres.
 

Fui!!!

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Gowers last season at Penrith was abysmal for Penrith.

Melbourne lost King, but found Folau and a spot for GI in the centres.

Maybe so, but it doesn't change the above facts. They both won premierships.

Johns played in a Newcastle side the got the wooden spoon... Everyone has a bad year.
 
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