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[Forty20]

So she claims she passed out and doesn’t remember much, after being heavily intoxicated. Does she have to say yes for it to be consensual? Or the fact she was heavily intoxicated and forgot to say no, is playing on her mind. Guess it’ll be payout for her.

America (and Australia as well IIRC) has instituted laws where if an individual convinces an intoxicated party to have sex and upon sobering up the second person decided they didn't want to have sex, it then constitutes as rape.

I am not jumping to conclusions either way here but unfortunately Hayne's name is tarnished forever more, regardless of innocence. Rape claims have a nasty way of sticking (before any Canterbury jokes come at me, I do remember Coffs Harbour), even if the criminal aspect of the charge has already been dismissed.

Sexual misconduct and violence is absolutely at home in the NFL but by another token, false rape claims are a very real and rising issue in America so extremists on both sides need little prompting to attack or defend Hayne. I am going to afford him the right of being innocent until proven guilty and I am happy for him to play for the Eels until shown evidence otherwise.

The trial by media is going to make the off-season and preseason drag on though.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

So she claims she passed out and doesn’t remember much, after being heavily intoxicated. Does she have to say yes for it to be consensual? Or the fact she was heavily intoxicated and forgot to say no, is playing on her mind. Guess it’ll be payout for her.

Mate, I wouldn't rush to judge her (or him). None of us know what happened. It's a plausible story, and if true you'd have to feel for her. It is, of course, also quite possibly untrue (or largely untrue). We'll find out more in due course.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I don't think he'll be back. Not under under the guise of his previous two incarnations anyway.

He's probably still here under 7 other incarnations.

 

[hybrideel]

Mate, I wouldn't rush to judge her (or him). None of us know what happened. It's a plausible story, and if true you'd have to feel for her. It is, of course, also quite possibly untrue (or largely untrue). We'll find out more in due course.

TBH I don't think we will find out more. There clearly wasn't much, if any evidence given he wasn't charged, so it's just a he said/ she said thing. Unless the one not telling the truth admits to it i cant see how we will ever really know

 

[Angry_eel]

God, it didn't take a month before the circus started. I hope the club comes out of it with nothing.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Mate, I wouldn't rush to judge her (or him). None of us know what happened. It's a plausible story, and if true you'd have to feel for her. It is, of course, also quite possibly untrue (or largely untrue). We'll find out more in due course.

The only thing more consistent than wild speculation from nuffies is wise old Baz telling those nuffies not to speculate.

It doesn't stop them though.

 

[Bazal]

So she claims she passed out and doesn’t remember much, after being heavily intoxicated. Does she have to say yes for it to be consensual? Or the fact she was heavily intoxicated and forgot to say no, is playing on her mind. Guess it’ll be payout for her.

"Does she have to say yes for it to be consensual?"

That's pretty much what consent is, yes

 

[hybrideel]

So what does the club do if it is found likely beyond a reasonable doubt that he did do it in a civil case even though he has never been charged or convicted of anything

 

[Gary Gutful]

If I can just speculate for a minute, Hayne was clearly trying to 'land the plane' in the runway but accidentally got caught in a tunnel.

 

[hybrideel]

Given she still had soreness a year later, have we finally found Morgzillas replacement?

 

[IFR33K]

Mate, I wouldn't rush to judge her (or him). None of us know what happened. It's a plausible story, and if true you'd have to feel for her. It is, of course, also quite possibly untrue (or largely untrue). We'll find out more in due course.

Yeah can only go by the details at hand. If the police or DA declined to proceed with charges, then they’ve basically conceded it’ll be a weak weak case. A lot of lunatics out there, anything is possible I guess.

 

[IFR33K]

"Does she have to say yes for it to be consensual?"

That's pretty much what consent is, yes

The way we’re headed, you may as well get it in writing. Just to cover your ass.

 

[hybrideel]

The way we’re headed, you may as well get it in writing. Just to cover your ass.

Given what forty said about the possibility of next morning regret becoming a rape charge we don't appear to be far off having to do that. Although I do see why they brought the law in, it would probably raise just as many false convictions as it would encourage real cases to come forward

 

[forward pass]

We are the most cursed club ! Every decent player we bring in to the place seem to have skeletons in their closet - not that I am judging if he is guilty or not !

 

[Kornstar]

So she claims she passed out and doesn’t remember much, after being heavily intoxicated. Does she have to say yes for it to be consensual? Or the fact she was heavily intoxicated and forgot to say no, is playing on her mind. Guess it’ll be payout for her.

She doesn’t remember much but remembers his voice.

On the consensual thing though i think having sex with an intoxicated person essentially means you raped them because they weren’t of right mind to consent or not.......or so reddit tells us anyways.

I’d imagine that there are elements of truth to this story and possibly completely true but we’ll never know because of the delay in reporting the crime.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

The only thing more consistent than wild speculation from nuffies is wise old Baz telling those nuffies not to speculate.

It doesn't stop them though.

Well, there's speculating on whether we have signed Paul Vaughan, and then there's speculating on whether someone has or hasn't committed a pretty horrible act.....

But you're right....it won't stop em.

 

[Bazal]

The way we’re headed, you may as well get it in writing. Just to cover your ass.

Or on video. That's all Corey Norman was doing, bless him

 

[84 Baby]

This smells a lot like Brett Stewart's case (which doesn't mean I think Hayne is innocent.. and not that I think Stewart was innocent but I'm not allowed to discuss that), in which case, seriously how do people (let alone high profile people with even more dollars at stake) still put themselves in these situations? And this goes for the accusers as well as the accuseds

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

TBH I don't think we will find out more. There clearly wasn't much, if any evidence given he wasn't charged, so it's just a he said/ she said thing. Unless the one not telling the truth admits to it i cant see how we will ever really know

The claim lodged includes a demand for a (civil) jury trial. If that is granted we will certainly here more. Or, if a counter claim is lodged.

 

[IFR33K]

Given what forty said about the possibility of next morning regret becoming a rape charge we don't appear to be far off having to do that. Although I do see why they brought the law in, it would probably raise just as many false convictions as it would encourage real cases to come forward

What a fcked up law that is. Can the same intoxicated person that is now a rape victim also get off a DUI charge if busted driving. I mean, if They were deemed too drunk to be consensual, where’s the limit.

Also, who is going to deem them intoxicated after 24 hours. What if she had a few drinks, was enjoying herself at the time, but 24-48 hours just had a whole lot of guilt and regret, and simply plays the intoxicated card.

Any person that drinks themselves stupid out in the public is asking for trouble, tbh.