Hayne wants another chance at 1....

[lucablight]

If Hayne was playing well on the wing I bet alot of people would be saying "Hayne is a better winger than fullback! leave him there!"

 

[Ron Jeremy]

We all saw when it mattered most how good Hayne was at Full back, why can't we move Burt to Wing?

Just remember Parramattas most succesful years in the past 10 have all been when........Burt was on the wing!

 

[Ron Jeremy]

If Hayne was playing well on the wing I bet alot of people would be saying "Hayne is a better winger than fullback! leave him there!"

Well Hayne isn't playing well, why not get him more involved, he's one of our top 3 players, use him more, we saw what he can do at FB last year.

 

[bartman]

How long did it take for Gasnier to be effective at 5/8? he never was, hence why he's been moved back to his favoured position, do the same with Hayne.

That's a very different point of view taken to the one arguing why Hayne as such a star talented player should be given all eternity to shine in the centres... now we have to move Hayne again because he's played sh*t in every other position this year? I'd move him to Wenty if I was coaching, until he played like the leader he's quotes to the media might be intended to prove he wants to be.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

That's a very different point of view taken to the one arguing why Hayne as such a star talented player should be given all eternity to shine in the centres... now we have to move Hayne again because he's played sh*t in every other position this year? I'd move him to Wenty if I was coaching, until he played like the leader he's quotes to the media might be intended to prove he wants to be.

How many games has he played at centre again? how many games has Burt played at FB this year and has yet to consistently prove himself?

If he goes to Wenty then so should 3/4's of the team. The experiment failed, time for plan B, Hayne to FB where he showed what he can do.

You remember his games at FB for us last year Bart?

 

[Tekken Lord]

That's a very different point of view taken to the one arguing why Hayne as such a star talented player should be given all eternity to shine in the centres... now we have to move Hayne again because he's played sh*t in every other position this year? I'd move him to Wenty if I was coaching, until he played like the leader he's quotes to the media might be intended to prove he wants to be.

Just so i know this isn't some deep hate for Hayne surfacing what other players would you drop? The list will reveal the truth.

 

[bartman]

you are soooo far from reality here.

read the article again. try and imagine the questions the journo is asking him. he's not moaning, and he's not talking himself up. you are deluded.
He's giving an honest and legitimate answer. you are getting sucked in by a newspaper article, and treating it as fact.

No, I am reading the quotes Hayne allowed himself to be presented in print.

Very silly boy to not just say "no comment", and leave out all the whining about being on the wing for our club - especially when that's his (only) rep spot, and he happily played it in a different jersey a week prior? You mention origin as an excuse for his poor play later on, but don't see it as funny how he didn't moan about that wing selection...

You say he hasnt played a good game yet. Again, you are choosing to remember the games which fit your model of reality/what you believe. the city-country game was the catalyst for his turn aorund of form, and he was one of our better players every game after that. I urge you to watch them again. Perhaps your expectations of him are too high?

Good game for Parra this year. In any position. I'm still waiting for it. Tall poppy or not, he's the one that's allowed himself to be quoted in the paper moaning, potentially bringing about team disharmony, and that makes him open to comment on those very issues.

 

[Eelementary]

Anything that gets Hayne more involved is good in my eyes.

Besides, his attitude is good - he feels helpless out on the wing, wants to get involved and wants to spark something for us. All positives, imo.

But it won't happen.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

No, I am reading the quotes Hayne allowed himself to be presented in print.

Very silly boy to not just say "no comment", and leave out all the whining about being on the wing for our club - especially when that's his (only) rep spot, and he happily played it in a different jersey a week prior? You mention origin as an excuse for his poor play later on, but don't see it as funny how he didn't moan about that wing selection...


Good game for Parra this year. In any position. I'm still waiting for it. Tall poppy or not, he's the one that's allowed himself to be quoted in the paper moaning, potentially bringing about team disharmony, and that makes him open to comment on those very issues.

So you would rather the Hagan treatment reading from a prepared statement:lol:

I think Hayne spoke up, and TBH frustration does that, shows he doesn't tolerate mediocrity and wants to prove himself, we need more like him..

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Anything that gets Hayne more involved is good in my eyes.

Besides, his attitude is good - he feels helpless out on the wing, wants to get involved and wants to spark something for us. All positives, imo.

But it won't happen.

exactly, we all know what a player he is, get him more involved, a win/win for all

I don't see any negatives, we're utilising our ONE AND ONLY SOO PLAYER more.

 

[bartman]

How many games has he played at centre again? how many games has Burt played at FB this year and has yet to consistently prove himself?

Too many, he shoul dhave been put back on the wing much earlier. Then he could have gotten this sook overwith at a less important stage of the season.

Burt doesn't have to prove himself, as there is no-one (repeat nonone) showing any form (current season form) better than Burt's to make the coach consider a shift would be worthwhile.

If he goes to Wenty then so should 3/4's of the team. The experiment failed, time for plan B, Hayne to FB where he showed what he can do.

Which experiment? The Hayne to centre experiment... true, failed. The Hayne to wing experiement... if that failed after just one game, then hayne's quote shows why - he doesn't want to play where our coach selects him.

You remember his games at FB for us last year Bart?

Yes, he was good last year. And before he had to step into fullback (due to injury to our first choice player) he was in scintilating form ON THE WING. I want to see Hayne show that scintilating form ON THE WING again, before I want to read quotes in the paper from an out of form player expecting his coach to shift other players around just to suit his ego (not current form).

Also, do you remember Burt's games at fullback last year, prior to injury? I recall they were also quite good, and in some minds the equal to Hayne's...

 

[Eelementary]

Too many, he shoul dhave been put back on the wing much earlier. Then he could have gotten this sook overwith at a less important stage of the season.

Burt doesn't have to prove himself, as there is no-one (repeat nonone) showing any form (current season form) better than Burt's to make the coach consider a shift would be worthwhile.


Which experiment? The Hayne to centre experiment... true, failed. The Hayne to wing experiement... if that failed after just one game, then hayne's quote shows why - he doesn't want to play where our coach selects him.

Yes, he was good last year. And before he had to step into fullback (due to injury to our first choice player) he was in scintilating form ON THE WING. I want to see Hayne show that scintilating form ON THE WING again, before I want to read quotes in the paper from an out of form player expecting his coach to shift other players around just to suit his ego (not current form).

Also, do you remember Burt's games at fullback last year, prior to injury? I recall they were also quite good, and in some minds the equal to Hayne's...

I disagree. Joel Reddy has been in very good form, and arguably plays best at fullback.

 

[bartman]

Just so i know this isn't some deep hate for Hayne surfacing what other players would you drop? The list will reveal the truth.

First principle is you can't drop someone unless there is someone worthy to take their place.

That's why Burt doesn't get dropped in my opinion, there is no worthy player capable of fullback (based on current season form, not words in a newspaper) giving the coach an option.

As for wingers, Hayne is there on reputation, just like he was for Origin. It is his natural and best position, so he gets some benefit of the doubt to stay. On the other wing, it's a lottery really, and we need to decide our centres first...

The best centres we've had this season (on current season form) are Reddy and Inu. Daylight second, although an injured Ben Smith might get some benefit of the doubt for one spot if he can return and get some match fitness through Wenty first.

Which brings us to the other wing spot, where you would probably keep whoever out of Reddy and Inu who shifts out of the centre for Ben Smith in first grade, as a preferred option (Based on current season form) over guys like Grothe, Tautai, Williams...

That's my list, and my reason why Hayne doesn't get a look in for fullback, and why on the attitude he's displayed on field and through quotes in the press may as well be given a stint in Wenty to learn some humility, with Grothe or Williams coming in for his wing spot for a few weeks, presuming Tautai will stay top of Hages wing pecking order until Ben Smith is ready to return.

Did you want me to keep going with forwards as well, or is that list enough to prove or disprove whatever point you seemed to want to make?

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Too many, he shoul dhave been put back on the wing much earlier. Then he could have gotten this sook overwith at a less important stage of the season.

Probably about 8 or 9 actually, Burt has played there all year and in almost twice as many games shown just as much.

Burt doesn't have to prove himself, as there is no-one (repeat nonone) showing any form (current season form) better than Burt's to make the coach consider a shift would be worthwhile.

He most certainly does. Hayne was the form player of the comp late last year, Burts bad luck gave Hayne the chance to prove his worth which he did, if anything Burt should prove himself more.

Which experiment? The Hayne to centre experiment... true, failed. The Hayne to wing experiement... if that failed after just one game, then hayne's quote shows why - he doesn't want to play where our coach selects him.

Nope the Hayne stuck in no mans land whilst Burt has a comfy hold on a position which he either isn't excelling at.

You think Burt is a better player then Hayne Bartman?

Yes, he was good last year. And before he had to step into fullback (due to injury to our first choice player) he was in scintilating form ON THE WING.

He was in good form ( not scintilating), but i'm sure you remember Haynes early season form.....

I want to see Hayne show that scintilating form ON THE WING again, before I want to read quotes in the paper from an out of form player expecting his coach to shift other players around just to suit his ego (not current form).

Well he has played there once this year, we're in rd 17 now, not much time left is there,so maybe we should just go back to the proven formula of Hayne at FB

Also, do you remember Burt's games at fullback last year, prior to injury? I recall they were also quite good, and in some minds the equal to Hayne's...

It was, however I think Burt would be the first to admit what a difference Tim Smith made to the side;-)

And whilst Burt played well, you remember when Hayne played there? and Hayne played alot better then any game Burt played there when it mattered eg semi's!

 

[Tekken Lord]

Too many, he shoul dhave been put back on the wing much earlier. Then he could have gotten this sook overwith at a less important stage of the season.

Burt doesn't have to prove himself, as there is no-one (repeat nonone) showing any form (current season form) better than Burt's to make the coach consider a shift would be worthwhile.


Which experiment? The Hayne to centre experiment... true, failed. The Hayne to wing experiement... if that failed after just one game, then hayne's quote shows why - he doesn't want to play where our coach selects him.

Yes, he was good last year. And before he had to step into fullback (due to injury to our first choice player) he was in scintilating form ON THE WING. I want to see Hayne show that scintilating form ON THE WING again, before I want to read quotes in the paper from an out of form player expecting his coach to shift other players around just to suit his ego (not current form).

Also, do you remember Burt's games at fullback last year, prior to injury? I recall they were also quite good, and in some minds the equal to Hayne's...

:lol::lol::lol:

Burt on current form is the worst fullback in the comp bare none, all facts prove this view to be correct, so why persist with him? 17 weeks ffs!

Your post reaks of bias and hypocrisy, yes the Hayne centre experiment has failed. Guess what so has the Burt fullback experiment. And sure Burt was great last year before injury but now for 17 weeks he has proved himself to be the WORST fullback in the comp, and yet somehow this doesn't warrant him being replaced. Sure Hayne's form is nothing special but why persist with something that doesn't work, there is no harm that can be done by putting Hayne at fullback, only good.

Also i wouldn't put Hayne at fullback, but at this point anyone is better than Burt, the best choice would be Reddy.

 

[bartman]

I disagree. Joel Reddy has been in very good form, and arguably plays best at fullback.

I agree Reddy has been in very good form. I'm not sure Reddy has played fullback this season in any grade however... and he is currently probably the best centre option in the whole club - Hayne had a decent chance there and didn't take it. Don't shift the one thing that is working, especially when Burt is not the main problem with why we are underperforming.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

First principle is you can't drop someone unless there is someone worthy to take their place.

That's why Burt doesn't get dropped in my opinion, there is no worthy player capable of fullback (based on current season form, not words in a newspaper) giving the coach an option.

As for wingers, Hayne is there on reputation, just like he was for Origin. It is his natural and best position, so he gets some benefit of the doubt to stay. On the other wing, it's a lottery really, and we need to decide our centres first...

The best centres we've had this season (on current season form) are Reddy and Inu. Daylight second, although an injured Ben Smith might get some benefit of the doubt for one spot if he can return and get some match fitness through Wenty first.

Which brings us to the other wing spot, where you would probably keep whoever out of Reddy and Inu who shifts out of the centre for Ben Smith in first grade, as a preferred option (Based on current season form) over guys like Grothe, Tautai, Williams...

That's my list, and my reason why Hayne doesn't get a look in for fullback, and why on the attitude he's displayed on field and through quotes in the press may as well be given a stint in Wenty to learn some humility, with Grothe or Williams coming in for his wing spot for a few weeks, presuming Tautai will stay top of Hages wing pecking order until Ben Smith is ready to return.

Did you want me to keep going with forwards as well, or is that list enough to prove or disprove whatever point you seemed to want to make?

Maybe if Hayne played in his prefered position he'll play alot better, he showed that last year. He's our only SOO player we shopuld be utilising him more, dont you agree?

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I agree Reddy has been in very good form. I'm not sure Reddy has played fullback this season in any grade however... and he is currently probably the best centre option in the whole club - Hayne had a decent chance there and didn't take it. Don't shift the one thing that is working, especially when Burt is not the main problem with why we are underperforming.

I guess Reddy should be FB then, i mean? he has played better then both this year right?:sarcasm:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

:lol::lol::lol:

Burt on current form is the worst fullback in the comp bare none, all facts prove this view to be correct, so why persist with him? 17 weeks ffs!

Your post reaks of bias and hypocrisy, yes the Hayne centre experiment has failed. Guess what so has the Burt fullback experiment. And sure Burt was great last year before injury but now for 17 weeks he has proved himself to be the WORST fullback in the comp, and yet somehow this doesn't warrant him being replaced. Sure Hayne's form is nothing special but why persist with something that doesn't work, there is no harm that can be done by putting Hayne at fullback, only good.

Also i wouldn't put Hayne at fullback, but at this point anyone is better than Burt, the best choice would be Reddy.

Great post, every single point nothing but the truth!

 

[Tekken Lord]

First principle is you can't drop someone unless there is someone worthy to take their place.

That's why Burt doesn't get dropped in my opinion, there is no worthy player capable of fullback (based on current season form, not words in a newspaper) giving the coach an option.

As for wingers, Hayne is there on reputation, just like he was for Origin. It is his natural and best position, so he gets some benefit of the doubt to stay. On the other wing, it's a lottery really, and we need to decide our centres first...

The best centres we've had this season (on current season form) are Reddy and Inu. Daylight second, although an injured Ben Smith might get some benefit of the doubt for one spot if he can return and get some match fitness through Wenty first.

Which brings us to the other wing spot, where you would probably keep whoever out of Reddy and Inu who shifts out of the centre for Ben Smith in first grade, as a preferred option (Based on current season form) over guys like Grothe, Tautai, Williams...

That's my list, and my reason why Hayne doesn't get a look in for fullback, and why on the attitude he's displayed on field and through quotes in the press may as well be given a stint in Wenty to learn some humility, with Grothe or Williams coming in for his wing spot for a few weeks, presuming Tautai will stay top of Hages wing pecking order until Ben Smith is ready to return.

Did you want me to keep going with forwards as well, or is that list enough to prove or disprove whatever point you seemed to want to make?

See the in bold, this is all i care about, the reason means nothing the mere fact you would not drop him degrades your opinion to the point it means nothing. Then the fact that Reddy on form deserves to replace Burt further rubbishes your opinion to the point where i don't even need to say anything else.