Hayne wants another chance at 1....

[Ron Jeremy]

See the in bold, this is all i care about, the reason means nothing the mere fact you would not drop him degrades your opinion to the point it means nothing. Then the fact that Reddy on form deserves to replace Burt further rubbishes your opinion to the point where i don't even need to say anything else.

exactly, playing favourites, why shouldn't be accountable liek everyone else?

I guess cause he's nice bloke and all, does stuff off the ball too...

 

[bartman]

Probably about 8 or 9 actually, Burt has played there all year and in almost twice as many games shown just as much.

The fact Hayne missed games due to a childish act and a deserved suspension somehow counts in his favour now? Strange logic...

He most certainly does. Hayne was the form player of the comp late last year, Burts bad luck gave Hayne the chance to prove his worth which he did, if anything Burt should prove himself more.

Hmm, he was exciting and played with spark and energy and skill, yes - things he has shown none of in any position this season. I don't think I'd have called him the form player of the comp by any stretch though...?

Nope the Hayne stuck in no mans land whilst Burt has a comfy hold on a position which he either isn't excelling at.

You think Burt is a better player then Hayne Bartman?

No man's land? It's a football field - the same one where Hayne came to such great notice, playing in exactly the same position, one where he has been and is currently selected for rep sides. Refer to energy and spark shown by Tony Williams for one - wing is only a no mans land if a guy doesn't want to play there... which is what Jarryd is quoted as saying!

This year, on this season's form, Burt is a better player than Jarryd. I can't recall any game this season where Jarryd has played better or contributed more to the team's effort than Burt...

He was in good form ( not scintilating), but i'm sure you remember Haynes early season form.....

I don't quite know what year you mean? Jarryd had a career before last year's round 17 switch to emergency cover at fullback... That's what I'm remembering, and wishing we could see more of, instead of quotes to a journalist.

Well he has played there once this year, we're in rd 17 now, not much time left is there,so maybe we should just go back to the proven formula of Hayne at FB

He played there once and had a moan about it to the pres sthe next day. In my book, that means you go to the proven formula of sending a sook back to reserve grade to learn a lesson - easy in this case as the guy has no form on the board anyway.

It was, however I think Burt would be the first to admit what a difference Tim Smith made to the side;-)

Fullbacks chiming into the attack are pretty dependent on the playmakers creating and communicating and practicisng those opportunities. Tim could do it back in the day - for Burt or Hayne. Tim couldn't do it this year in his comeback, and we are left with what we are left with this season. During our good form month this year, I was pleased to see Burt improving his chiming in efforts, perhaps as our halves combination settled down from the distractions. I've seen nothing to suggest a swicth to Hayne in #1 would make any difference, other than to take us back to square one. Hayne's supposedly a good winger, he should play well there for the team.

And whilst Burt played well, you remember when Hayne played there? and Hayne played alot better then any game Burt played there when it mattered eg semi's!

Yes I remember last season, but am actually talking about this season. Burt > Hayne imo. Wags was a handy winger once you know... but that was in a previous season so it rightfully means jack.

 

[bartman]

Maybe if Hayne played in his prefered position he'll play alot better, he showed that last year. He's our only SOO player we shopuld be utilising him more, dont you agree?

He is playing in his preferred position now... finally after failing in the centres. Using a SOO in his selected rep position makes a lot of sense, but instead you want to shift the guy to fullback? And he wants to whinge?

 

[bartman]

I guess Reddy should be FB then, i mean? he has played better then both this year right?:sarcasm:

I'm not the one desperate to shift someone else to fullback. Reddy has been better than both, so you leave Reddy where he has been playing successfully - centre.

Burt has not been the main problem for Parra, and does not need to be shifted. Finding a position for sooky Jarryd is more of a problem, he failed at centre, he whinges when asked to play in his preferred, natural rep position of wing, so where else can we move him? I hope Hagan stands up to him and gives Hayne the choice of first grade wing or Wenty in the centres, or fullback, so he can prove he has some form on the board to shift one of his teammates.

 

[eel4life]

Dont think you should use stats to justify your support of one player or the other. Hayne averaged 13 metres per kick return, Tautai averaged 9.5 metres per kick return and Burt averaged 14 metres so not sure they tell the story you are trying to sell.

eMJAY point is this ...

burt has been there for 17 rounds done jack all year ... hayne last year was at fullback and he plays his best footy there .. reddy this year needs to be where he is he has proven himself all year and he should not be moved.

Hayne at centres all year he is not in position to pick up a ball and run it back, TT and Tony WIlliams are wingers and when they drop back to return kicks thats what they do ...

Hayne is a weapon and for him to touch the ball every set of 6 will mean he will touch it first as fullback and if he makes 1 break or backs up mateo then that will help the team.

Burt will be better for us on the wing at the moment.

Hayne has not been on the wing all year and the panthers kicking game was always at TT away from Hayne, thats smart from the panthers ..

Hayne to fullback means he will touch the ball more and then he will get involved more ... so when you want to say stats on Hayne he has been centre most of the year and when you look at the broncos game before his suspension Inu was on the wing and he scored 2 tries, but over all i think Inu is better for us in the backline and Hayne in at fulklback ...

 

[bartman]

:lol::lol::lol:

Burt on current form is the worst fullback in the comp bare none, all facts prove this view to be correct, so why persist with him? 17 weeks ffs!

And these facts are where exactly....?:sarcasm:

Your post reaks of bias and hypocrisy

Why, just because you happen to disagree :lol:. Why and how am I biased? Do you think I'm related to Burt, or that hayne stole my girlfriend? It's just called an opinion.

Also i wouldn't put Hayne at fullback, but at this point anyone is better than Burt, the best choice would be Reddy.

Actually, if we had to move someone to fullback (injury to Burt), my first choice would be Inu... Reddy is one of our form players and strengths in the centres, and Inu has played rep footy at fullback, and isn't moaning to the papers. You want to pick someone you can TRUST will step up for the team, not tehir own ego...

 

[Eelementary]

I agree Reddy has been in very good form. I'm not sure Reddy has played fullback this season in any grade however... and he is currently probably the best centre option in the whole club - Hayne had a decent chance there and didn't take it. Don't shift the one thing that is working, especially when Burt is not the main problem with why we are underperforming.

I agree that Reddy has been very good in the centres, and I acknowledge that he hasn't played fullback for some time.

But I feel that Burty is not in good form and is actually hindering us rather than helping us - he shows little urgency, his goal-kicking is on-off, and his kick returns have been average at best.

He is not the reason we are struggling, but he is not helping us get over the line. I feel we would be better served with Reddy/Hayne at fullback and some forwards who actually gave a damn.

 

[bartman]

See the in bold, this is all i care about, the reason means nothing the mere fact you would not drop him degrades your opinion to the point it means nothing.

So because someone doesn't agree with you that Burt should be dropped, you think their opinion equals nothing? Must be an easy world you live in, if you just assume you are right all the time, and dismiss everyone else purely on that basis :roll:

Then the fact that Reddy on form deserves to replace Burt further rubbishes your opinion to the point where i don't even need to say anything else.

Why on earth would you move Reddy from the position where he is playing well, and has become our leading try scorer? Leave the few good bits of our line-up how they are, otherwise it will likely get worse! Who will you play in the centres if you switch Reddy to fullback? Not Hayne again, surely...

 

[Ron Jeremy]

The fact Hayne missed games due to a childish act and a deserved suspension somehow counts in his favour now? Strange logic...

So he purposely wanted to get suspended? Jarryd apparently didn't hear the call

Hmm, he was exciting and played with spark and energy and skill, yes - things he has shown none of in any position this season. I don't think I'd have called him the form player of the comp by any stretch though...?

Yes and Yes, but? has Burt?

Well many were, including the commentators.

Didn't Hayne get a 10/10 match performance rating from RLW against Brisbane whilst at FB?

No man's land? It's a football field - the same one where Hayne came to such great notice, playing in exactly the same position,

Same field as the one Burt is on?

He has played one game on the wing this year, how many games has Burt played at FB?

one where he has been and is currently selected for rep sides.

You mean we have an SOO player in our side? surely we'd be using him often right?

Refer to energy and spark shown by Tony Williams for one

or Burt

wing is only a no mans land if a guy doesn't want to play there... which is what Jarryd is quoted as saying!

Williams has played 3 times the amount of games on the wing as Hayne this year:lol:

This year, on this season's form, Burt is a better player than Jarryd.

Why wasn't he in the rep sides then.

From what i've seen Burt is lucky to even be playing FG

I can't recall any game this season where Jarryd has played better or contributed more to the team's effort than Burt...

I don't quite know what year you mean? Jarryd had a career before last year's round 17 switch to emergency cover at fullback... That's what I'm remembering, and wishing we could see more of, instead of quotes to a journalist.

So did Burt, remember 2001 & 05? where was Burt playing?

He played there once and had a moan about it to the pres sthe next day.

Maybe because i'm sure when Hayne re-signed it wasn'to play wing when it is evident he's a far more contributing playing then just a winger.

In my book, that means you go to the proven formula of sending a sook back to reserve grade to learn a lesson - easy in this case as the guy has no form on the board anyway.

Nah, proven formula means proving you can excell at a position when it matters most eg look at late 2007.

Fullbacks chiming into the attack are pretty dependent on the playmakers creating and communicating and practicisng those opportunities.

You mean we shouldn't be blaming one player? please stop you're making me laugh:lol:

You dont think perhaps go forward and lack of quality ball contributed to Haynes form?

Nah offcourse not.

Tim could do it back in the day - for Burt or Hayne.

Yeah 2007 does seem like an age ago huh

Tim couldn't do it this year in his comeback

Yep totally agree, if you cant perform after one game you should be sent to reggies, yep thank god the likes of Finch and Burt etc have proven to be weekly contributors.

and we are left with what we are left with this season

So we persist with the product at hand or do look for significant changes Bartman, my point!

During our good form month this year, I was pleased to see Burt improving his chiming in efforts, perhaps as our halves combination settled down from the distractions.

Our form month? were we won 2 and lost 2?:lol: you can thank Feleti and an understrength Raiders and Tigers for that.

I've seen nothing to suggest a swicth to Hayne in #1 would make any difference, other than to take us back to square one. Hayne's supposedly a good winger, he should play well there for the team.

Where are we now Bartman, we have a great player on our roster who we all know and has proven to be an elite player playing at FB, use it, dont abuse it.

Yes I remember last season, but am actually talking about this season. Burt > Hayne imo. Wags was a handy winger once you know... but that was in a previous season so it rightfully means jack.

This season has shown that Burt is not the player he was and Hayne is being shifted all over the place, Burt is just as liable as Hayne, make the switch time is ticking!

 

[bartman]

exactly, playing favourites, why shouldn't be accountable liek everyone else?

I guess cause he's nice bloke and all, does stuff off the ball too...

Burt isn't a favourite of mine... it's just an opinion that he's not our main problem in the way the team is performing.

I've seen nothing from Jarryd this season to suggest he deserves a shot at any position except his own (wing), but if he puts in four decent games in a row in that position, and then tells the coach (not the media) he wants a shift, then I'd consider it.

Reddy is not tellling the ecoach that he wants a shift (that we know of) or sooking that he doesn't like playing particular positions - he's been shifted around the backline more than any other player in his Eels career. But why move Reddy when he's doing perfectly OK.

Finding a spot for precious Jarryd is our biggest backline problem at the moment, and it wouldn't be much of a problem if he buckled down and played some decent footy, instead of talking to journos.

To be honest I think our chances of playing decent footy together as a group this year are even less of a chance thanks to Jarryd's big mouth in this situation - as if things weren't abd enough already!

 

[bartman]

I agree that Reddy has been very good in the centres, and I acknowledge that he hasn't played fullback for some time.

But I feel that Burty is not in good form and is actually hindering us rather than helping us - he shows little urgency, his goal-kicking is on-off, and his kick returns have been average at best.

He is not the reason we are struggling, but he is not helping us get over the line. I feel we would be better served with Reddy/Hayne at fullback and some forwards who actually gave a damn.

Fair enough, well reasoned and worded. I can respect your opinion, even though it differs from mine.

I think the phrase in bold is a much more urgent problem to find a cure for though... and that's where we need the real difference.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

He is playing in his preferred position now... finally after failing in the centres. Using a SOO in his selected rep position makes a lot of sense, but instead you want to shift the guy to fullback? And he wants to whinge?

really? could've sworn that he has stated many times he prefers fullback?

I guess you must know him better then us..

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I'm not the one desperate to shift someone else to fullback. Reddy has been better than both, so you leave Reddy where he has been playing successfully - centre.

Burt has not been the main problem for Parra, and does not need to be shifted. Finding a position for sooky Jarryd is more of a problem, he failed at centre, he whinges when asked to play in his preferred, natural rep position of wing, so where else can we move him? I hope Hagan stands up to him and gives Hayne the choice of first grade wing or Wenty in the centres, or fullback, so he can prove he has some form on the board to shift one of his teammates.

Believe me Burt is a bigger problem then you think.

You wonder why the opposition keep bombing him?

Burt is the one to go, not Hayne sorry, Burt would be lucky to get another contract in the NRL, Hayne? well he's a current SOO player

 

[Tekken Lord]

And these facts are where exactly....?:sarcasm:


Why, just because you happen to disagree :lol:. Why and how am I biased? Do you think I'm related to Burt, or that hayne stole my girlfriend? It's just called an opinion.


Actually, if we had to move someone to fullback (injury to Burt), my first choice would be Inu... Reddy is one of our form players and strengths in the centres, and Inu has played rep footy at fullback, and isn't moaning to the papers. You want to pick someone you can TRUST will step up for the team, not tehir own ego...

Sigh, i don't have these facts on me and i'm not going to look them up, why don't you prove me wrong. But you wont look them up and you wont prove me wrong, if you really need to see the facts and haven't noticed from watching the games then, sigh...

What you can't see how your post reaked of bias and hypocrisy? Do i really need to give you the definitions and explain it to the point where someone with an IQ of 2 would understand? I wouldn't be laughing if i were you any person with any sense would have read that comment and then disregarded your opinion as i have. Do i really have to explain it? Because i will but i'd rather not, why? Because it is tiresome.

Didn't i say Hayne isn't my first choice, and INU has been nothing special either, he hasn't done anything to warrant being selected in the very important position of fullback, Reddy is the only candidate.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Burt isn't a favourite of mine... it's just an opinion that he's not our main problem in the way the team is performing.

I've seen nothing from Jarryd this season to suggest he deserves a shot at any position except his own (wing), but if he puts in four decent games in a row in that position, and then tells the coach (not the media) he wants a shift, then I'd consider it.

Reddy is not tellling the ecoach that he wants a shift (that we know of) or sooking that he doesn't like playing particular positions - he's been shifted around the backline more than any other player in his Eels career. But why move Reddy when he's doing perfectly OK.

Finding a spot for precious Jarryd is our biggest backline problem at the moment, and it wouldn't be much of a problem if he buckled down and played some decent footy, instead of talking to journos.

To be honest I think our chances of playing decent footy together as a group this year are even less of a chance thanks to Jarryd's big mouth in this situation - as if things weren't abd enough already!

Finding a spot for Hayne is the easiest decision there is, Full back, make the switch time is ticking.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Sigh, i don't have these facts on me and i'm not going to look them up, why don't you prove me wrong. But you wont look them up and you wont prove me wrong, if you really need to see the facts and haven't noticed from watching the games then, sigh...

What you can't see how your post reaked of bias and hypocrisy? Do i really need to give you the definitions and explain it to the point where someone with an IQ of 2 would understand? I wouldn't be laughing if i were you any person with any sense would have read that comment and then disregarded your opinion as i have. Do i really have to explain it? Because i will but i'd rather not, why? Because it is tiresome.

Didn't i say Hayne isn't my first choice, and INU has been nothing special either, he hasn't done anything to warrant being selected in the very important position of fullback, Reddy is the only candidate.

He just can't see can he:lol::lol::lol:

This is on par with PP, it's one of the most biased pieces i've ever read lol

And yes i'm biased towards Hayne, because the vast majority know he's the better player

 

[Ron Jeremy]

eMJAY point is this ...

burt has been there for 17 rounds done jack all year ... hayne last year was at fullback and he plays his best footy there .. reddy this year needs to be where he is he has proven himself all year and he should not be moved.

Hayne at centres all year he is not in position to pick up a ball and run it back, TT and Tony WIlliams are wingers and when they drop back to return kicks thats what they do ...

Hayne is a weapon and for him to touch the ball every set of 6 will mean he will touch it first as fullback and if he makes 1 break or backs up mateo then that will help the team.

Burt will be better for us on the wing at the moment.

Hayne has not been on the wing all year and the panthers kicking game was always at TT away from Hayne, thats smart from the panthers ..

Hayne to fullback means he will touch the ball more and then he will get involved more ... so when you want to say stats on Hayne he has been centre most of the year and when you look at the broncos game before his suspension Inu was on the wing and he scored 2 tries, but over all i think Inu is better for us in the backline and Hayne in at fulklback ...

You speak for the vast majority.

We have a bloke capable of changing games at the FB possesion, use it, win win for all, really it's the easiest decision of all.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

*awaiting Bartmans (non biased offcourse) reply*

 

[Tekken Lord]

He just can't see can he:lol::lol::lol:

This is on par with PP, it's one of the most biased pieces i've ever read lol

And yes i'm biased towards Hayne, because the vast majority know he's the better player

I'm biased towards both as Burt has been one of my favourite players for a long time, i was one of the people that felt letting McKinnon leave was a good decision. And i rate Hayne's talent to be up there with the best, sh*t attitude atm but a good coach would put him in his place.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I'm biased towards both as Burt has been one of my favourite players for a long time, i was one of the people that felt letting McKinnon leave was a good decision. And i rate Hayne's talent to be up there with the best, sh*t attitude atm but a good coach would put him in his place.

I agree, however i think his attitude more frustration because he cannot contribute more to the side, a good quality to have.

I think Burt has had his chance to prove his worth, he has failed, lets revert back to what we had and succeded at last year.