Hendrix...

[carcharias]

oh dear carc....

oh dear....

Oh dear nothing.

Like I said I have only come across that particular chord in a rock song well (legit) once.
Pinky boy named a different chord to somehow show me where that chord was used more than the one time I knew of.
The two open strings change the sound completely and the actual D7#9 is played in Jazz music quite often...it is a movable chord that can be played anywhere on the neck as long as you dont play the first and 6th string.


If anyone should be oh dearing it should be me.

Anyone who has studied the Beatles can tell you they were quite good musicians...not to mention supreme song writers.
Their ear for a hook and melody was almost unsurpassed in popular music.'
So what if they used a simple chord to get the right sound.
At least they actually dabbled in different musical genre's as their carrer unfolded.
Old EVH played the same thing right throughout his career...not to mention all the covers he did ..probably due to not having enough of his own material.

 

[millersnose]

Oh dear nothing.

Like I said I have only come across that particular chord in a rock song well (legit) once.
Pinky boy named a different chord to somehow show me where that chord was used more than the one time I knew of.

lets put aside different voicings for a moment, f**k lets put aside the fact the beatles like other bands recording in d would retune their top string to D
mate it is a standard chord and used in rock around the clock over 12 years before and a f**king billion times since

The two open strings change the sound completely and the actual D7#9 is played in Jazz music quite often...it is a movable chord that can be played anywhere on the neck as long as you dont play the first and 6th string.

you seem utterly unaware that different voicings can be employed on a guitar

If anyone should be oh dearing it should be me.

indeed

ed the Beatles can tell you they were quite good musicians...not to mention supreme song writers.

i dont need anyone to tell me that the beatles were competant pop musicians

So what if they used a simple chord to get the right sound.

you are the one making much of hendrix using it and waffling golly gee he played it in E

 

[Kurt Angle]

actuallly it is A6 not just A.
but D7#9 is not E7#9.
The E7#9 has two extra notes both are the E but are open notes and are different octives giving it a much bigger sound.

??

The D7#9 is a chord held in exactly the same manner except two frets down.

the Beatles
1963...Do you want to know a secret had a B6 in it. 1st album
1963 ...till there was you ...C7/6, B7/9, B7/9add2. 2nd album
Like I said they used some strange chords from the start.
Not all songs but it wasn't all just E D A.
That opening G chord to Hard days night can be played up and down the neck but it only sounds right in one spot.

GMinSus 2 isn't it ? It sounds like that because it is also a 12 string guitar.

If you had read some of my posts you would have already seen that I have done just that.

I still think it comes down to the era theses musicians peaked in.
The Beatles were around when rock n roll was a new thing.
Van Halen came about when the whole hair band stuff took off.
Hendrix was around when blues based guitar was the go.

I doubt any of them would go far playing their style nowadays.

 

[Kurt Angle]

do you mean ludwig von beethoven? regarded as being in the top 5 composers of music in history with a career spanning decades the one who is studied in conservatoriums the world over and played daily by orchestras everywhere?


his solo pioano concertos are certainly amongst the most complex things i have ever heard

yes I do mean Ludwig von Beethoven.

And his arrangements do get complex when layed by many instruments.
However his melodies are often very simple, and I'm not saying that in a derogatory manner.

What I'm trying to convey is that techincal playing, or as with hair-farms, technical playing for the sake of being technical isn't the be all and and all of musicianmanship.

here is a sentence describing his music


The vastness and imaginative complexity of Beethoven's last works, especially the Quartets, baffled not only his contemporaries but later audiences
http://www.answers.com/topic/ludwig-van-beethoven

you wont go anywhere in classical music without technicality

I'm well aware of that, but you can also be a fabulous musician without having absurd levels of manual dexterity.

 

[carcharias]

lets put aside different voicings for a moment, f**k lets put aside the fact the beatles like other bands recording in d would retune their top string to D
mate it is a standard chord and used in rock around the clock over 12 years before and a f**king billion times since

drop D tuning ..yeah so what ?
They Beatles to my knowledge used it only once in Dear Prudence.
It is not a common thing to do ...unless they write the song with the guitar already tuned to Drop D....dadgbe.

Fuggin Silverchair, tool , You Am I, use ity all the time...The Beatles didn't.
Grinspoon use it in just about every song.
It is not a thing they go and change just becaue the song is in D...( if that is what you were suggesting)

you seem utterly unaware that different voicings can be employed on a guitar

hahahaha
oh please ...C'mon Millers don''t be so foolish .

mate it is a standard chord and used in rock around the clock over 12 years before and a f**king billion times since

BWHAHAHAHAHA
I get the feeling you have your wires crossed.

If you are referring to Bill Haley and the Comets 'rock around the clock' I think you will find old mate actually plays the old 12 barre blues E7 triad thing used in a gazzillion songs ever since.
E7#9 is one chord ...this is it. E open, E 7th fret,G# 6th fret,D 7th fret, G 8th fret, E open.

here is billy boy playing rock around the clock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ByIgBIVD4

you can see during the guitar solo he does not play E7#9 at any stage.

Nice try though Millers.

 

[carcharias]

The D7#9 is a chord held in exactly the same manner except two frets down.

so A is B then?

FMFF.

 

[Kurt Angle]

Anyone who has studied the Beatles can tell you they were quite good musicians...not to mention supreme song writers.

This is what I'm trying to convey.

The Beatles wrote some fantastic music, but they couldn't write what hendrix wrote, or Beethoven wrote.. and George couldn't play how van halen plays.. but some here think VH's manual dexterity is the be all and end all of music.

Their ear for a hook and melody was almost unsurpassed in popular music.'

Which is a facet of music totally unrelated to one's technical proficiency.

So what if they used a simple chord to get the right sound.

Nothing, it's my point about music.. a good musician is someone who understands an emotion and translates it perfect into a harmonic and melodic abstract. to the point where the audience understands the same emotion.

A toddler banging pots and pans is some sort of display of exuberance is attempting to convey some sort of emotion.

It is BAD music.... but it is still music.

 

[Kurt Angle]

so A is B then?

FMFF.

As Millers said, understand the voicings.

An A major bar chord played one the 5th fret is played exactly the same way as a B maj bar chord played off the 7th fret.

The beatles D7#9 taxman chord is the same voicing as the Purlpe Haze E7#9 chord, just 2 frets down.

 

[millersnose]

drop D tuning ..yeah so what ?
They Beatles to my knowledge used it only once in Dear Prudence.
It is not a common thing to do ...unless they write the song with the guitar already tuned to Drop D....dadgbe.

Fuggin Silverchair, tool , You Am I, use ity all the time...The Beatles didn't.

yes they did

Grinspoon use it in just about every song.
It is not a thing they go and change just becaue the song is in D...( if that is what you were suggesting)

it is a common technique employed for different reasons

one of the main reasons for retuning strings is to suit a key


hahahaha
oh please ...C'mon Millers don''t be so foolish .

BWHAHAHAHAHA
I get the feeling you have your wires crossed.

If you are referring to Bill Haley and the Comets 'rock around the clock' I think you will find old mate actually plays the old 12 barre blues E7 triad thing used in a gazzillion songs ever since.

dear oh dear

billy is the rythm guitarest

the real guitarest is playing sweeteners amongst them a 7#9 and you can this on 2.27 of the clip you posted

E7#9 is one chord ...this is it. E open, E 7th fret,G# 6th fret,D 7th fret, G 8th fret, E open.

you really do not have much of an idea on voicings

there is a dozen different ways to play that chord

as long as there is an e g# d and g - any combination of those notes constitutes a E7#9

same with D or any other root

 

[millersnose]

yes I do mean Ludwig von Beethoven.

And his arrangements do get complex when layed by many instruments.
However his melodies are often very simple, and I'm not saying that in a derogatory manner.

What I'm trying to convey is that techincal playing, or as with hair-farms, technical playing for the sake of being technical isn't the be all and and all of musicianmanship.

oh i agree and your insertion of the word 'often' leaves me no attack room

I'm well aware of that, but you can also be a fabulous musician without having absurd levels of manual dexterity.

well i am not sure if anyone who has a low level of manual dexterity can be called a 'fabulous musician' but some merely competent pop musicians can make great music

 

[cheese]

#9 is definitely heavily etched in jazz. Bebop brought it to life.

Rock players just had no Idea how to f**king use it.

It's function in jazz harmony is a 5 chord to a minor. Hendrix used it as a 1.

The way you voice it on a guitar doesn't change it's function in the slightest.

 

[millersnose]

#9 is definitely heavily etched in jazz. Bebop brought it to life.

and swing was the birth of pop so what?

Rock players just had no Idea how to f**king use it.

except those that were using it before hendrix...

The way you voice it on a guitar doesn't change it's function in the slightest.

didnt say it would

in fact different voicings accentuate different notes as dominant lows

i merely said that there is plenty of ways to play the chord

 

[cheese]

and swing was the birth of pop so what?

who cares?

except those that were using it before hendrix...

Who cares? My whole point was hendrix was far from the first. Rock players often used it as a static chord. In jazz and blues it's rarely a static chord. Hence rock musicians at the time probably didn't understand it, but just liked the sound.

i merely said that there is plenty of ways to play the chord

of course there is ..wtf are you on about?

Carch said something like 'd7 is different to e7' ....the function is the same no matter how you voice them.

As if a jazz pianist gives a f**k about guitar voicings,

 

[cheese]

ftr the black slave movement has a farkload more to do with the birth of pop than any whiteboy swing band.

 

[OVP]

yeah i really strugled with wild thing

andre segovias' shyt was so childishly simple......


oh yeah i can just imagine an orchestra playing E-A-B-A over and over again for 4 minutes

then they could do E -G# -A -A#-E for the next 4 minutes.....

This alone dear Millers is where you fall from grace. You childishly compare a Hendrix COVER, to whatever your sad mind compares it to. How could you possibly think Wild Thing is a Hendrix Song ? Are you geniused ?


Tell you what Sunshine, you can name ANY guitarist or muso of all time, but the day they can play Little Wing or Voodoo Chile (the blues version) then i'll doff my cap to them. ONly Stevie Ray Vaughan has come close with Little Wing, and Noone has come close with Voodoo Child nor Voodoo Chile. What about Catfish Blues as well ? Do you even know what that song sounds like ? How about Red House, my personal favourite Hendrix song. He wrote that in 8 minutes and yet its the sexiest song ive ever heard.

What do you know anyway Millers ? You are a right-winger ... shouldnt you hate ALL musicians ? After all, your favourite band, Pink Floyd, mate if they found out you were a Howard Lackie ... they'd piss all over you.

 

[millersnose]

ftr the black slave movement has a farkload more to do with the birth of pop than any whiteboy swing band.

....because we all know europeeans had no music culture and only discovered music through negro slaves.....

 

[millersnose]

geeze emotions run high

This alone dear Millers is where you fall from grace. You childishly compare a Hendrix COVER, to whatever your sad mind compares it to. How could you possibly think Wild Thing is a Hendrix Song ? Are you geniused ?

its one of hendrix staple songs

Tell you what Sunshine, you can name ANY guitarist or muso of all time, but the day they can play Little Wing or Voodoo Chile (the blues version) then i'll doff my cap to them.

i have lost count of the amount of guys i have seen play these songs note for note

what are you saying? that hendrix is alone in the world with a magical ability to play things no one can copy?

ONly Stevie Ray Vaughan has come close with Little Wing, and Noone has come close with Voodoo Child nor Voodoo Chile. What about Catfish Blues as well ? Do you even know what that song sounds like ? How about Red House, my personal favourite Hendrix song. He wrote that in 8 minutes and yet its the sexiest song ive ever heard.

i get buddy ....you are a hendrix fan and therefor anyone who doesnt share your childlike wonder is evil

for the record i like hendrix as well..particulairly his songs not the messy impro on guitar

he was a very nice singer

What do you know anyway Millers ?

that you are upset

You are a right-winger ... shouldnt you hate ALL musicians ?

what the f**k does politics have to do with it?

After all, your favourite band, Pink Floyd, mate if they found out you were a Howard Lackie ... they'd piss all over you.

ohffs

you need to re-look at the history of PF

capitalists who would waste no time in making money and 3 of the 4 came from very well to do upper middle class backgrounds

 

[carcharias]

millers wrote: yes they did

c'mon then ...lets hear em .

is a common technique employed for different reasons
one of the main reasons for retuning strings is to suit a key

bullsh*t.
Most blokes who use it these days do it because it is easy to play...and it gives a heavier sound.
Any dumb fugger can play a guitar tuned to drop D .
I seriously doubt they would retune a guitar to drop D for any other reason than the song was originally written using that tuning.

dear oh dear
billy is the rythm guitarest
the real guitarest is playing sweeteners amongst them a 7#9 and you can this on 2.27 of the clip you posted

again ..bullsh*t.
Get your eyes checked...at 2.27 the song is effectively over and you can't even see the lead guitarist anyway...the only bloke with a guitar you can see is Bill Haley.
Even leading up to 2.27 minutes the lead guitarist is playing the outro riff.
See the absolute proof below.

It is E7 Millers....face up to it.
I know what I am talking about.

you really do not have much of an idea on voicings

there is a dozen different ways to play that chord

as long as there is an e g# d and g - any combination of those notes constitutes a E7#9

same with D or any other root

the song in question being purple haze and the guitarist being Jimmy Hendrix.
I posted the exact way he plays that chord ...which notes he played on which frets.
I fuggen realise chords can be played in many differnet ways...
I have played guitar in bands for 20 years.

As for Bill Haley I will explain to you what he is playing.

If you play a C7 in the open position with your root note of C being on the 3rd fret then slide the whole chord shape up to where your 3rd finger is on the E note on the 7th fret.
And that is what he is playing.

and one other thing.
Jimmy Hendrix is known first and foremost as a guitarist...to even suggest he was famous for his singing is like saying John Holmes was famous for his exceptional acting abilities.

 

[cheese]

....because we all know europeeans had no music culture and only discovered music through negro slaves.....

....because we all know european culture had oh so much to do with the birth of rock'n'roll



The euro's lay ownage to many a century of music. Not this and the last one though.

 

[cheese]

Jimmy Hendrix is known first and foremost as a guitarist...to even suggest he was famous for his singing is like saying John Holmes was famous for his exceptional acting abilities.

Yep. Regardless of whether you rated his playing or not, this is undeniable.

Even if he wasn't the first, he created a lust for the guitar like none before him.