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mongoose

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I would take Hendrix music over Vai, Van Halen, Malmsteen or that dude from Dream Theater any day of the week. Hendrix has one thing those other guys don't have >> soul.
 

CC_Eagle

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Van Halen a better player than Jimi?

Come on, no more cones...

Sure he could shred, but as for the actual song composition.....:lol: :lol:
 

Ron Jeremy

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CC_Eagle said:
Van Halen a better player than Jimi?

Come on, no more cones...

Sure he could shred, but as for the actual song composition.....:lol: :lol:

Now it's about song composition:lol: Nirvana were good at this, who cares about technical brillance...aslong as it has "song composition" you're the best :lol:


Song composition lol now i've heard it all
 

Ron Jeremy

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mongoose said:
I would take Hendrix music over Vai, Van Halen, Malmsteen or that dude from Dream Theater any day of the week. Hendrix has one thing those other guys don't have >> soul.

So if i play guitar with soul even though other guitarists are far better then me i'm considered better?:lol:

So by your rationale then David Lee Roth was the best singer of all time, he had a sh*tload of soul & persona:lol:
 

Ron Jeremy

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Wow, i was always under the impression that being technicallt brillant at the guitar was the main thing, but i'm wrong, what you need is composition & soul doesn't matter if you cannot play in time or use the wah to everything you play to distort the sound of the actual playing, speaking of wah? why didn't Hendrix ever like playing clean?
 

strewth_mate

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Well technical brilliance is of course a major factor, if that's the way these things usually go (and these debates are a means to no end). Without being able to play your instrument with at least some degree of skill, you are effectively nothing. The rest is filled in by personal taste.

I personally don't treat all music with the same blanket critical opinions. It often comes down to what tickles my fancy at any given time. I get a great deal from Eddie Van Halen's skill, but to be honest, not everything he does therefore interests me. Similarly, there's a chance I could probably get a kick out a monkey playing the spoons, and only half decently at that, but it'd be folly for me to compare this monkey to Frank Zappa because they're not worthy of comparison - not because one is better than the other, but because I don't care enough.

Now the big problem is, saying someone has 'more feeling' in their music is effectively a copout. It's usually hurt pride and making up for what the musician lacks in agility of the fingers. But this might only matter to someone that considers technical brilliance as the only real indication of how worthy a musician is of acclaim. Seems to me though that both views are as blinkered as each other, and by themselves prove little. Personal taste matters. Besides, everyone has their own guilty pleasures that are at odds with what they promote.

I basically like music. I'll like one band or performer more or less than another from time to time, depending on mood or alignment of the stars, but my opinion on their technical ability tends to not change as much because it's less subjective. The point is though, my enjoyment of certain music isn't always a direct function of virtuosity, unless I feel that way inclined at that moment. If someone played 3 minutes of A# minor arpeggios at 500bpm I'd be impressed, but would probably dislike it. They might as well just play one note for 3 minutes, because even if they play it really, really well, there's no guarantee that I'd like it. Appreciate it, maybe.

It's all very interesting. People just value different things and, further to that, to different degrees. People generally also have agendas whether they know it or not. In something as fluid as music, it's very tricky to say what's objectively better than something else. When it comes down to it, yes it's plain as day that John McLaughlin is a much better guitarist than Jose Feliciano. But - so?

Hmm, rant.
 

mongoose

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Ron Jeremy said:
Wow, i was always under the impression that being technicallt brillant at the guitar was the main thing, but i'm wrong, what you need is composition & soul doesn't matter if you cannot play in time or use the wah to everything you play to distort the sound of the actual playing, speaking of wah? why didn't Hendrix ever like playing clean?

I forgot music was a competition to see who could play the most notes the fastest.
 

Ron Jeremy

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strewth_mate said:
Well technical brilliance is of course a major factor, if that's the way these things usually go (and these debates are a means to no end). Without being able to play your instrument with at least some degree of skill, you are effectively nothing. The rest is filled in by personal taste.

I personally don't treat all music with the same blanket critical opinions. It often comes down to what tickles my fancy at any given time. I get a great deal from Eddie Van Halen's skill, but to be honest, not everything he does therefore interests me. Similarly, there's a chance I could probably get a kick out a monkey playing the spoons, and only half decently at that, but it'd be folly for me to compare this monkey to Frank Zappa because they're not worthy of comparison - not because one is better than the other, but because I don't care enough.

Now the big problem is, saying someone has 'more feeling' in their music is effectively a copout. It's usually hurt pride and making up for what the musician lacks in agility of the fingers. But this might only matter to someone that considers technical brilliance as the only real indication of how worthy a musician is of acclaim. Seems to me though that both views are as blinkered as each other, and by themselves prove little. Personal taste matters. Besides, everyone has their own guilty pleasures that are at odds with what they promote.

I basically like music. I'll like one band or performer more or less than another from time to time, depending on mood or alignment of the stars, but my opinion on their technical ability tends to not change as much because it's less subjective. The point is though, my enjoyment of certain music isn't always a direct function of virtuosity, unless I feel that way inclined at that moment. If someone played 3 minutes of A# minor arpeggios at 500bpm I'd be impressed, but would probably dislike it. They might as well just play one note for 3 minutes, because even if they play it really, really well, there's no guarantee that I'd like it. Appreciate it, maybe.

It's all very interesting. People just value different things and, further to that, to different degrees. People generally also have agendas whether they know it or not. In something as fluid as music, it's very tricky to say what's objectively better than something else. When it comes down to it, yes it's plain as day that John McLaughlin is a much better guitarist than Jose Feliciano. But - so?

Hmm, rant.

Great post, very level headed ( like my posts, but that's already well-documented:cool: ) having to justify that one is better then another because one has feeling is a copout, i've always tried to justify this.

People are entitled to there opinions, just like i am. My main point in this thread is inregards to the complexity of Jimi's songs which are quite basic, but many non-guitarists cannot understand this as they believe there legend was as complex as they come, very not the case, not trying to be arrogant but that;s the plain truth, and if people dont believe just ask to me post some tableture to prove it.
 

2 True Blues

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CC_Eagle said:
Van Halen a better player than Jimi?

Come on, no more cones...

Sure he could shred, but as for the actual song composition.....:lol: :lol:

I truly wonder if he would have been better or worse without the drugs. He was very gifted, a natural. The Bruce LEE of guitar so to speak.
 

Kurt Angle

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Ron Jeremy said:
Van Halen 1 as sold more guitar music books then Jimi Hendrix's Experience, both albums considered the most influential albums of all time.

Erhh "Axis: Bold as Love" and "Electric Ladyland" are both considered more influential than "Are you experienced?"

If "Are you experienced?" was released today it'd be considered a pop album, the other two would still be considered rock.
 

Ron Jeremy

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2 True Blues said:
I truly wonder if he would have been better or worse without the drugs. He was very gifted, a natural. The Bruce LEE of guitar so to speak.

true, all show no talent just like David Lee Roth;-)
 

Simo

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Out of intrest didnt we have this exact same thread a little while ago? I think Millers started it?
 

Steel Dragon

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I guess this whole comparrison debate is like saying who is the better runner - a sprinter or a marathon runner?
Horses for courses really
 

carcharias

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Hendrix had the abilty to write some of the most memorable guitar riffs and pieces in rock n roll.

I wonder how many of you can whistle one thing Steve Vai has written.
 

Simo

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For the love of God is something from Vai I really like and can easily whistle, but yes I could whistle many more Hendrix tunes.

Little wing being my fav intro and all along the watchtower my fav JH song, I think he really nailed his cover of that song and has had many whistles.

What your point though, that JH was a far more popular artist than Vai? Sure, whos doubting that?
 

carcharias

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Simo said:
For the love of God is something from Vai I really like and can easily whistle, but yes I could whistle many more Hendrix tunes.

Little wing being my fav intro and all along the watchtower my fav JH song, I think he really nailed his cover of that song and has had many whistles.

What your point though, that JH was a far more popular artist than Vai? Sure, whos doubting that?

Bob Dylan wrote ''all along the watchtower''

Tech ability is only one apsect of of being a great musician.
Not only could Hendrix write great guitar songs but in his day he was well ahead of the rest in terms of tech ability.
I'm sure if he was born 20 years later he would've been another van halen.
It was the era he was in that dictated his style.

How's that...do you get my point?
 
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