I hate Full Tilt

[Tommy Smith]

I understand that.

But not all the all-ins are for all my chips. I am certainly winning more often than losing simply because I am a tight aggressive player so when I do go all-in it's generally wih a premium hand. It's just that there comes a time when it really does get predictable.

Also, in the micros I play it pays to isolate the other player by going all-in. That works later in the tourneys but not early. Push all-in with Aces and you're liable to have 4 callers.

I know what I need to do, I need to get out of the micros and up to another level, but I have to be patient and build my BR in the micros to do that because it'll be a cold day in hell when I put my own money in it again.

I've started playing 25 cent 90's and 45's with some success. geniused early but they tend to settle down inside 1/2 an hour.

When i moved up to the $100 SnGs the difference was just enormous. And it was a great feeling, too. My re-reraises (not that there were alot) had my opponents folding rather than going all-in and sucking out. But more than that you start to act and think like a real poker player. As in i put everything into it.

When i played the micro SnGs i knew i was up against alot of nuffies who did crazy things and sucked out often. Also the fact that i'd have to play for 4 hours many times only for <$50 would take its toll.

So instead of playing alot of cheapish SnGs id build up my account playing H2H with the goal of playing the odd more worthwile SnG. And playing against primarily good players with a big prize pool really brings the best out of you.

Unfortunately though it turns out that playing larger stakes is a two way thing...You can win more money but also lose more as well!

And now its got to the point where i simply cant be bothered slaving away with a small amount, trying to build it up just so i can play in tournys like the Sunday Millions....

 

[Ghoulies]

When i moved up to the $100 SnGs the difference was just enormous. And it was a great feeling, too. My re-reraises (not that there were alot) had my opponents folding rather than going all-in and sucking out. But more than that you start to act and think like a real poker player. As in i put everything into it.

When i played the micro SnGs i knew i was up against alot of nuffies who did crazy things and sucked out often. Also the fact that i'd have to play for 4 hours many times only for <$50 would take its toll.

So instead of playing alot of cheapish SnGs id build up my account playing H2H with the goal of playing the odd more worthwile SnG. And playing against primarily good players with a big prize pool really brings the best out of you.

Unfortunately though it turns out that playing larger stakes is a two way thing...You can win more money but also lose more as well!

And now its got to the point where i simply cant be bothered slaving away with a small amount, trying to build it up just so i can play in tournys like the Sunday Millions....

Man that is such an unprofitable attitude towards poker. I hate the variance of getting all-in all the time as much as anyone, but if you're 4-betting (re-re-raising) and hoping for a fold, and you're not doing it as a bluff, then you're basically hoping not to win money in the long run.

If you're playing poker for a bit of fun, and want to pull off all the big moves you see on TV, then yes you're better off at playing some higher stakes. But if you're looking to play at a level where you have an edge on your opponents, and where you can actually make some sort of regular profit, then you want to be playing guys who'll get all-in with A8 against your aces.

Of course if you're an expert NLHE player then you'll have an edge in the bigger games too, but that edge will be minute compared to that you have over players at micro-small stakes.

 

[Ghoulies]

Aces are, at best, a 4-1 favourite over any other hand. Most other hands aren't even that strong. So the maths says that if you're all in just three to four times pre-flop in a tournament you're almost certainly going to be eliminated in one of those hands NO MATTER WHAT YOU HOLD.

Probably just a typo, but aces are at worst a 4-1 favourite.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Man that is such an unprofitable attitude towards poker. I hate the variance of getting all-in all the time as much as anyone, but if you're 4-betting (re-re-raising) and hoping for a fold, and you're not doing it as a bluff, then you're basically hoping not to win money in the long run.

If you're playing poker for a bit of fun, and want to pull off all the big moves you see on TV, then yes you're better off at playing some higher stakes. But if you're looking to play at a level where you have an edge on your opponents, and where you can actually make some sort of regular profit, then you want to be playing guys who'll get all-in with A8 against your aces.

Of course if you're an expert NLHE player then you'll have an edge in the bigger games too, but that edge will be minute compared to that you have over players at micro-small stakes.

You might have read too much into that.

Basically what i meant was that in the higher stakes SnGs you are generally up against players who are good enough to fold. Re-raising a re-raise isn't something i purposely try to make a habit of, its just something you can do with confidence in the higher stakes knowing that your opponents will more than likely fold their top pair. Or if i have top pair and fell im ahead i can do it knowing that my opponent wont call only to suck out.

Im not saying that its easier in higher stakes. Yes you can play poker knowing that the moves you make might actually serve their purpose rather than being blindly called etc. But it is still harder to win playing higher stakes because the players are better so you cant coast your way through the first few hours of a tourny.

But, i guess higher stakes is all the excitement for me in poker. Im not interested any more in small profits or all-in fests. i love the challenge of playing good plaers for a very tidy prize pool.

After playing online for a couple of years quite regularly, the joy of playing in smaller SnGs just wore off...

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I cash in 20% of the micros I play in and have a 15% ROI. It's true that if you play a decent game of poker you'll go well there if you're patient, as I am.

I use pokerrankings a lot and I rarley, if ever, see anything resembling a 20% ITM and 15% ROI in the 10 cent 360's I play.

In fact, just about very time I play I see people who are outrageously bad players. They are generally the chip leader at the time.. lol

Example, look up this bloke.

JudgeJW

Cracked my Aces with 4/9 offsuit...

 

[watatank]

How long does it take to play those 360 man SnG's on Stars? It seems too long for only winning like $20 at most...

What does ITM mean btw?

 

[ledzep]

ITM = in the money

I don't understand why anyone would choose to play tournaments/SNGs
Stick to the cash games guys

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

How long does it take to play those 360 man SnG's on Stars? It seems too long for only winning like $20 at most...

What does ITM mean btw?

The ones I play, the 10 centers, are turbo (5 minute blinds)and take about 2 hours max.

Top prize is $8.60, for a 10 cent outlay...

36 get paid, 20 cents to start with. If nothing else, they numb you to donkey plays.

 

[watatank]

ITM = in the money

I don't understand why anyone would choose to play tournaments/SNGs
Stick to the cash games guys

I play both but I am much better at SnG's (MTT's in particular) so I guess I try to stick to them.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I play the odd MTT (25c & 50c, occasional $1 on weekends mainly), they're not on at great times for me so I play mostly SnG's.

The 10 cent on at about 8pm is the stupidest money tournament in existence.

 

[Ghoulies]

ITM = in the money

I don't understand why anyone would choose to play tournaments/SNGs
Stick to the cash games guys

Decisions with a 10bb stack = 20x easier than decisions with a 100bb stack. Plus tournament poker is seen to be more exciting on television.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

What I really dislike are the set-up hands.

22 left in a 360 last night, blinds are 1k and 2k, I have 11k and have been card dead for a while but get K/K in the SB. UTG raises to 6k, everyone else folds, I pop it all in as does the short-stacked BB.

Cards turn over;

I have KH and KD.

UTG has AS, 7S.

BB has AH, JC.

Flop comes; 10D, QH, KS.

So, after the flop I have a set and want the board to pair to win the hand outright.

UTG has a gutshot and a backdoor flush draw, BB flopped a straight.

Turn: 4S

River: 8S

The thing is, as soon as I saw what UTG had, I knew what was coming.

 

[ledzep]

We should have a LU tournament sometime tbh

 

[Ghoulies]

Not a bad idea. I hear they're fairly easy to organise on Stars.

edit: I emailed Stars and they've given me permission to create private tourneys from now on, but it seems that the min buy-in I can make it is $5, which would probably limit numbers greatly.

 

[watatank]

Decisions with a 10bb stack = 20x easier than decisions with a 100bb stack. Plus tournament poker is seen to be more exciting on television.

i've seen high stakes poker on youtube (haven't seen it on Austar yet, is it on there?) and that's way more exciting than WSOP or other tournaments

edit: if you get enough people to play a private tourney I wouldn't mind playing it

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

The Euro WSOP is on ESPN on Sunday nights, next week is the final table. Must say, I'm impressed with Ivan Demidov, 2nd in the real WSOP and final table of the Euro WSOP will look good on the CV.

 

[Tigers_are_Pro]

f**k full tilt.

The impossible happened.

I worked myself up from scratch to 2 and in a 1.25 s'n'g I get AA with 4 players left.
I had like 700 chips and go all in.
Big stack calls with 2-7.

AH - AD

2S-7D

Flop 7H-3S-QS

Turn 6S

River KS

For f**ks sake.

I also lost a A-10 against 10-7

Flops with A,7 and some other card

Turn 3

River 7!

FFS

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Yep, typical full tilt.

Pretty much the same on stars though, not quite as often but just as bad. I just lost a hand with JJ v 8/3 (he hit 2 pair) against the table chip leader of course...

I keep getting told its not rigged but I don't believe it. I don't believe it's rigged agsinst certain players but it is most certainly rigged for action and knock outs.

 

[watatank]

I find it hard to believe that it's anything but random, tbh

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Everyone has an opinion.

That I'm right is neither here nor there.