If perth is such a can't miss home run for nrl expansion..?!

[Wb1234]

And what does that have to do with Perth NRL side? I didn't even mention AFL.

You said the nrl needs to be National

I responded it’s international

it’s already surpassed little national borders

the reality is we tried a club in Perth it failed

 

[Bukowski]

You said the nrl needs to be National

I responded it’s international

it’s already surpassed little national borders

the reality is we tried a club in Perth it failed

Have you ever left your suburb?

 

[Colk]

The force were dumped not long ago & gws only exists because league is willing to foot bill

Being dumped from a competition is different to folding because they can’t make ends meet.

Your second example; well if fumbleball have the money to do that then that’s their choice. I would argue a second team in a market is a lot different to one team in a market in any case. Essentially your point would be valid if we were arguing for a second team in Melbourne which we aren’t.

The league is that flush with funds at the moment that no team is going to die, so long as those teams are in Australia and New Zealand. You could argue for anything: another Sydney team, another team in Queensland, another team in New Zealand, Adelaide, Perth. None of them would fold.

 

[Wb1234]

Have you ever left your suburb?

Buddy I’ve been to over 1k rugby league games including going to England just to watch rugby league

 

[Wb1234]

Being dumped from a competition is different to folding because they can’t make ends meet.

Your second example; well if fumbleball have the money to do that then that’s their choice. I would argue a second team in a market is a lot different to one team in a market in any case. Essentially your point would be valid if we were arguing for a second team in Melbourne which we aren’t.

The league is that flush with funds at the moment that no team is going to die, so long as those teams are in Australia and New Zealand. You could argue for anything: another Sydney team, another team in Queensland, another team in New Zealand, Adelaide, Perth. None of them would fold.

His point is that norths Balmain Illawarra etc didn’t fail either and if given another chance now will prosper

that’s what you’ve all missed

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Have you ever left your suburb?

I don't think he's ever left his psych ward.

His point is that norths Balmain Illawarra etc didn’t fail either and if given another chance now will prosper

that’s what you’ve all missed

Balmain can barely afford to maintain a 10 percent stake in the Wests Tigers.

Steelers were so broke their share of the Dragons was purchased by Bruce Gordon.

 

[AdelaideSharky]

Potato

More potatoes in here than a packet of Smiths Crisps.

 

[Colk]

His point is that norths Balmain Illawarra etc didn’t fail either and if given another chance now will prosper

that’s what you’ve all missed

No he isn’t, he is arguing the complete opposite. In fact I am the one arguing that they could put a side in most places in Australia and New Zealand and they would survive (I wouldn’t say ‘prosper’ because that is a very loaded term - for example they could put in another side in Sydney and it would survive. It wouldn’t prosper though and there is no point in doing it)

He is stating that because Perth folded in 1997 he is inferring that they would fail again (it could possibly happen again but anything could possibly happen). To essentially draw a line on something because of extraordinary circumstances that happened 25 years ago doesn’t make much sense. Imagine if the world operated like that?

Also the framing of say Perth or Adelaide not being in the competition anymore as a failure but at the same time arguing that Norths or Illawarra isn’t is tiresome. It is also completely hypocritical. They were all cut because they were considered expendable, however right or wrong those decisions are or were.

 

[Wb1234]

No he isn’t, he is arguing the complete opposite. In fact I am the one arguing that they could put a side in most places in Australia and New Zealand and they would survive (I wouldn’t say ‘prosper’ because that is a very loaded term - for example they could put in another side in Sydney and it would survive. It wouldn’t prosper though and there is no point in doing it)

He is stating that because Perth folded in 1997 he is inferring that they would fail again (it could possibly happen again but anything could possibly happen). To essentially draw a line on something because of extraordinary circumstances that happened 25 years ago doesn’t make much sense. Imagine if the world operated like that?

Also the framing of say Perth or Adelaide not being in the competition anymore as a failure but at the same time arguing that Norths or Illawarra isn’t is tiresome. It is also completely hypocritical. They were all cut because they were considered expendable, however right or wrong those decisions are or were.

I think this is a response to norths bashing

the collective wisdom of this forum is to see the elimination of norths as sad but much needed rationalisation

whilst poor Perth were saddled unfairly with travel costs by the arlc then must be added again and given another chance because people want to copy afl

I agree that you could put a club just about anywhere now and they would do fairly well with the way clubs are funded it’s a game changer

 

[Colk]

I think this is a response to norths bashing

the collective wisdom of this forum is to see the elimination of norths as sad but much needed rationalisation

whilst poor Perth were saddled unfairly with travel costs by the arlc then must be added again and given another chance because people want to copy afl

I agree that you could put a club just about anywhere now and they would do fairly well with the way clubs are funded it’s a game changer

Perhaps. It is a fact though that the game couldn’t afford a 22 team competition at the time and whatever decision was made was going to upset a whole lot of people.

Nevertheless what happened is what happened and it doesn’t really help the future of the game or every discussion about it to be framed by the Super League war or the context of that period.

 

[Wb1234]

Perhaps. It is a fact though that the game couldn’t afford a 22 team competition at the time and whatever decision was made was going to upset a whole lot of people.

Nevertheless what happened is what happened and it doesn’t really help the future of the game or every discussion about it to be framed by the Super League war or the context of that period.

Well if the bears do come back via Perth it’s going to be hilarious

 

[Pippen94]

Being dumped from a competition is different to folding because they can’t make ends meet.

Your second example; well if fumbleball have the money to do that then that’s their choice. I would argue a second team in a market is a lot different to one team in a market in any case. Essentially your point would be valid if we were arguing for a second team in Melbourne which we aren’t.

The league is that flush with funds at the moment that no team is going to die, so long as those teams are in Australia and New Zealand. You could argue for anything: another Sydney team, another team in Queensland, another team in New Zealand, Adelaide, Perth. None of them would fold.

Expansion club folding is failing. Lol, ppl here trying to talk way around truth.
Tell me how lions needed bailing out ten years ago if you think single city teams can't fail?!!

 

[Pippen94]

I’m not suggesting we are ready, far from it. But nor am I suggesting we have nothing like some ill informed on here. It’s interesting with sg ball not returning this year, not seen anything put out by nrlwa as to why and I’ve asked them. It’s an expensive model and tbf the returns are questionable without somewhere for them to progress to. Maybe they decided not a great current investment just to train western force players!

Ur full of bs; telling us there's 40k footballers in wa when only 4k are registered & huge support base for the sport despite 4k watching game on tv.
Lol, every now & then somebody run ins & destroys you with truth bombs..
..can't even acknowledge the fact that reds expansion failed in past

 

[Wb1234]

Expansion club folding is failing. Lol, ppl here trying to talk way around truth.
Tell me how lions needed bailing out ten years ago if you think single city teams can't fail?!!

When expansion clubs fails it’s not counted );

only for Sydney clubs

literally news ltd could keep Cronulla or Perth

they killed off Perth

 

[Perth Red]

Expansion club folding is failing. Lol, ppl here trying to talk way around truth.
Tell me how lions needed bailing out ten years ago if you think single city teams can't fail?!!

How about a heartland club 'folding? Is that failure as well?
In which case why are people talking about the Bears? Why did we go back to Brisbane2 after the failure of the Crushers? Why the push to move more Dragons games to Wollongong or Tigers to Campbelltown after the "failure" of Wests and Steelers? Or it could be that things change, times move on, what was true yesterday may not be true today. That as environments change what might not have worked yesterday would work very well tomorrow.

 

[Perth Red]

Ur full of bs; telling us there's 40k footballers in wa when only 4k are registered & huge support base for the sport despite 4k watching game on tv.
Lol, every now & then somebody run ins & destroys you with truth bombs..
..can't even acknowledge the fact that reds expansion failed in past

trolls back

26k Touch participants (jnrs up 3.6%)
4100 registered players (up 12.1%, up 35% for womens game)
10k RL experience participants

Oh yeh baby, RL is alive and well and growing.

 

[Perth Red]

When expansion clubs fails it’s not counted );

only for Sydney clubs

literally news ltd could keep Cronulla or Perth

they killed off Perth

Yes because I find News Ltd are always making great decisions that benefit the game the most lol

 

[Pippen94]

In 2000 all of the non-Sydney clubs generated more money from game day than all of the Sydney clubs.

While the three Sydney clubs who had aligned with Super League – Canterbury, Penrith and Cronulla – were considered the most profitable, every non-Sydney club produced larger gate receipts than their Sydney rivals.​

​

What will it take for a Sydney club to consider relocation?

If a team from England is brave enough to relocate to Canada, what will it take for a Sydney club to secure their future by moving to Brisbane or Perth?

www.nrl.com

Broncos and Cowboys earn significantly more from sponsorship and corporate hospitality than all of the Sydney clubs.

Revenue for NRL Clubs (2018-2021)

Sponsorship and Corporate Hospitality Club 2021 2020 2019 2018 Broncos $12,757,777 $10,310,407 $15,326,071 $14,572,909 Cowboys $8,986,580 $6,451,208 $9,382,117 $9,000,000? Rabbitohs $8,900,000 $6,000,000 $8,900,000 $7,900,000 Roosters $8,197,752...

forums.leagueunlimited.com

Wonder why murdoch came crawling back to negotiating table if superleague clubs were killing it?! Could be the Sydney clubs & large tv audience they provide is what broadcasters seek?!

 

[Pippen94]

trolls back

26k Touch participants
4100 registered players
10k RL experience participants

Oh yeh baby, RL is alive and well and growing.

So 4k players. Rugby has 12k & force got punted

 

[Pippen94]

Disagree.

We lost SG Ball during COVID and there is no hint of it returning. What is excuse is there for not having it this season just commenced? The word from within the NRL (whilst we had SG Ball) was they were already considering flogging us off and getting players to do an American style combine to push talent East.

It's great that we are having regional championships at different age groups across the summer, but it hasn't stop kids doing Fusion/Pride/Dolphins etc. moving straight back to union for the winter months.

There is no continuous high performance training across the juniors at the level required to compete at HM or SG Ball level. Half the kids that were previously rocking up for Pirates trials had barely seen the inside of the gym, skills are poor and physical condition extremely sub-par.

I don't mean to be negative but we can't put our head in the sand and pretend we are ready.

Thank you for posting facts.