Impact of Corona shutdowns on Future NRL expansion..

[taipan]

Not to go over old ground but from the horses mouth they didn't have a choice. They had financially planned for 1st team and reserves travel and accommodation. Adding an additional team (at a time when interstate travel was three times what it is today) put them into an unsustainable position which they knew before they kicked a ball. News took advantage of a situation the ARL had created.
How could we build an asset base from 1998-2012 when the game was being run on an oily rag due to conflicted ownership screwing our TV deals and we had CEO's not fit for purpose?
Since 2013-2019 we have had $2.69billion revenue and independent ownership. That is where the real problem lies. The Commission have been an abject failure in setting financial strategy.

I suggest you read the comments about Smith appointing those expensive execs ,who achieved zilch.You have never admitted they were failures.

 

[beave]

My read (probably being hopeful) is that Vlad is saying all the right things now "we are a family, we will do whatever we can for our clubs", so he has cover later once they start falling over and getting moved "this isnt what we wanted, but there is nothing we can do"....

The ARLC will never have a better time than now to shape the comp going forward. You cannot just wait for the good time, real change happens when everything is going to hell.

The clubs took advantage of a weak ARL/NRL after SL and we have ended up here. I have no simpathy for the clubs if the ARLC return the favour...

V’landys seems to be very Sydney focused, I don’t think he’ll let any of them move or fold tbh.

 

[tri_colours]

You’ve got Greenberg who is super conservative and by his own admission no visionary and Vlandys who thinks suburban grounds are the games future. No way we are going to see anything radical.

How is having 10k at a 40k + stadium visionary?

Its an eyesore a total embarrassment to everyone including the league. If we build it there Not going to come, Its not a movie.

 

[Perth Red]

I suggest you read the comments about Smith appointing those expensive execs ,who achieved zilch.You have never admitted they were failures.

Tbf the only opinion on that was from news ltd hacks. Not knowing what he paid them and what they achieved it is hard to say if worth it or not. He quickly needed to get the nrl to a modern business model, maybe consultants was the way to do that, I know we have done it a few times with some success in remodelling our business. End of day he still spent $5mill less than Greenberg did last year on admin so it can’t have been that excessive can it?

 

[Perth Red]

How is having 10k at a 40k + stadium visionary?

Its an eyesore a total embarrassment to everyone including the league. If we build it there Not going to come, Its not a movie.

A goal of 30k at a 40k stadium is visionary. Conceding you cant grow your customer base so don’t bother having capacity to do so is very self limiting. I’ve long been an advocate of clubs not playing at anz, well never get numbers that make it look ok. Min 28-30k capacity is what we should aiming for so clubs can build revenue streams to be sustainable. Its not build it and they will come, it’s build it and have a business plan to fully utilise it.

 

[tri_colours]

A goal of 30k at a 40k stadium is visionary. Conceding you cant grow your customer base so don’t bother having capacity to do so is very self limiting. I’ve long been an advocate of clubs not playing at anz, well never get numbers that make it look ok. Min 28-30k capacity is what we should aiming for so clubs can build revenue streams to be sustainable. Its not build it and they will come, it’s build it and have a business plan to fully utilise it.

Its not visionary at all its pure fantasy .And it affects viewing numbers (the lifeblood of the game wether we like it or not). People quickly tune out when half the seats are empty regardless of how exciting the game is.

The game being trying to grow its supporter base for years and nothing changes. People just like to watch the game on there TV, any Why not! Its so much easier, and better to watch, and apart from finals and Origin , there is a total lack of any atmosphere at big grounds.

And yes, this is the reason the clubs need to be paid good money. A good percentage of the money that comes into the game needs to go to the clubs and the players.

 

[Perth Red]

Its not visionary at all its pure fantasy .And it affects viewing numbers (the lifeblood of the game wether we like it or not). People quickly tune out when half the seats are empty regardless of how exciting the game is.

The game being trying to grow its supporter base for years and nothing changes. People just like to watch the game on there TV, any Why not! Its so much easier, and better to watch, and apart from finals and Origin , there is a total lack of any atmosphere at big grounds.

And yes, this is the reason the clubs need to be paid good money. A good percentage of the money that comes into the game needs to go to the clubs and the players.

try telling melbourne, parramatta, undoubtedly cowboys, that. Watching clubs run around in front of 12k in stadiums barely above amateur level grounds is no great look for a $billion professional top tier sports business.

games done very little to grow its attendance rate. In fact I’m struggling to think of one thing it’s done beyond the initial investment in memberships by the nrl?

Maybe we should learn some lessons from one of the best attended sports on the planet
1. Don’t play games at sht time’s for fans to attend
2. Make it dead cheap for kids and families
3. Play in state of the art sports stadiums
4. Invest in membership stratagies, fan engagement and stop giving the message it’s better to stay at home.

 

[T-Boon]

Brisbane Broncos
Queensland Storm
North Queensland Cowboys
North Brisbane Dolphins
Newcastle Knights
Canberra Raiders

then the Sydney teams

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Found it interesting to check out some posts In the LU forums regarding Corona from a week ago and more, to see how things have changed.. including this one...

I’d mentioned in the initial post that “the NRL will survive no doubt”.... well that may not be the case and if anyone had told me that back then I’d have laughed it off..

Geezus... what’s things gonna be like in another few weeks. Some fans may have watched their team play for the final time in the NRL last week and not even known it. I really hope not, but it’s sadly a possibility.

 

[Perth Red]

Found it interesting to check out some posts In the LU forums regarding Corona from a week ago and more, to see how things have changed.. including this one...

I’d mentioned in the initial post that “the NRL will survive no doubt”.... well that may not be the case and if anyone had told me that back then I’d have laughed it off..

Geezus... what’s things gonna be like in another few weeks. Some fans may have watched their team play for the final time in the NRL last week and not even known it. I really hope not, but it’s sadly a possibility.

just can’t see it unless Foxsports go bust. End of day clubs can cut their expenses to next to nothing this year then next year the money starts flowing again and they start back up. I think what is likely is instead of spending $30mill a year they will operate on budgets less than 2/3rds that. Clubs will only go bust of creditors call in loans or unpaid bills or if clubs try and keep spending above realistic revenue

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

just can’t see it unless Foxsports go bust. End of day clubs can cut their expenses to next to nothing this year then next year the money starts flowing again and they start back up. I think what is likely is instead of spending $30mill a year they will operate on budgets less than 2/3rds that. Clubs will only go bust of creditors call in loans or unpaid bills or if clubs try and keep spending above realistic revenue

Foxsports were already cutting costs going into this season. With sport, and particularly their highest rater being Rugby League, now gone.. the subscriptions will diminish.. could be dominoes from there...

 

[Marlins]

just can’t see it unless Foxsports go bust. End of day clubs can cut their expenses to next to nothing this year then next year the money starts flowing again and they start back up. I think what is likely is instead of spending $30mill a year they will operate on budgets less than 2/3rds that. Clubs will only go bust of creditors call in loans or unpaid bills or if clubs try and keep spending above realistic revenue

consider Kayo is useless now, and Foxtel already under pressure, how can they survive with no live sports.

 

[Perth Red]

consider Kayo is useless now, and Foxtel already under pressure, how can they survive with no live sports.

depends on how much subscription is just for sport and how much in bundled packages. If big % is just sport they’re screwed, if bundled then they’ll survive, people don’t tend to cancel something unless they really have to.

 

[T-Boon]

Its not visionary at all its pure fantasy .And it affects viewing numbers (the lifeblood of the game wether we like it or not). People quickly tune out when half the seats are empty regardless of how exciting the game is.

Give me a year in charge of the rules and game play rather than Bellamy and average crowds will be 30k.

 

[tri_colours]

try telling melbourne, parramatta, undoubtedly cowboys, that. Watching clubs run around in front of 12k in stadiums barely above amateur level grounds is no great look for a $billion professional top tier sports business.

games done very little to grow its attendance rate. In fact I’m struggling to think of one thing it’s done beyond the initial investment in memberships by the nrl?

Maybe we should learn some lessons from one of the best attended sports on the planet
1. Don’t play games at sht time’s for fans to attend
2. Make it dead cheap for kids and families
3. Play in state of the art sports stadiums
4. Invest in membership stratagies, fan engagement and stop giving the message it’s better to stay at home.

None of those grounds mentioned are big grounds there all sub 30k - and with the exception of Melborne's there all great grounds . Just as suburban grounds should be and could be.


And if your attacking the crowds now, they mightn't be great. But on average The NRL crowds pretty much on par or better than other sport around the world.

There are games at 2/3/4 and 5 - so that's not a bad balance but the game needs the big money and the big money comes in the shiet timeslots.

 

[taipan]

Tbf the only opinion on that was from news ltd hacks. Not knowing what he paid them and what they achieved it is hard to say if worth it or not. He quickly needed to get the nrl to a modern business model, maybe consultants was the way to do that, I know we have done it a few times with some success in remodelling our business. End of day he still spent $5mill less than Greenberg did last year on admin so it can’t have been that excessive can it?

That view about the expensive advisers was brought up by me many times in the past.Murdoch's mob had little influence.I still haven't sighted any results .
Smith signed them up and they lasted a short time.It was a poor decision.Tell me what these appointed experts achieved? He was an expert Banker, a sporting admin TBH wet behind the ears.The money those guys were on ran into the $500k per yer min. go figure.

Greenberg was on half Smith's salary, so saved $1m per year on salary alone.Greenberg is not the ultimate CEO far from it,but compared to some of the prior ones, he at least understands the game.

Hindsight is always handy, and with the Corona crap going on now, and the money expended on Digital ,if we had known this, Digital would not have occurred and we'd have the extra loot in the Bank.

 

[Perth Red]

None of those grounds mentioned are big grounds there all sub 30k - and with the exception of Melborne's there all great grounds . Just as suburban grounds should be and could be.


And if your attacking the crowds now, they mightn't be great. But on average The NRL crowds pretty much on par or better than other sport around the world.

There are games at 2/3/4 and 5 - so that's not a bad balance but the game needs the big money and the big money comes in the shiet timeslots.

exactLy, no-ones suggesting clubs should be playing in 40-80k stadiums. They should be playing in 30k Bankwest’s. Reality check though you aren’t going to EVER have 7 Bankwest’s in Sydney so the idea that you can turn shark park, leichardt, belmore, Penrith, brookvale and jubilee into $300mill Bankwest’s is cuckoo. Better that the game aims for two or three more for clubs to share.

 

[Perth Red]

That view about the expensive advisers was brought up by me many times in the past.Murdoch's mob had little influence.I still haven't sighted any results .
Smith signed them up and they lasted a short time.It was a poor decision.Tell me what these appointed experts achieved? He was an expert Banker, a sporting admin TBH wet behind the ears.The money those guys were on ran into the $500k per yer min. go figure.

Greenberg was on half Smith's salary, so saved $1m per year on salary alone.Greenberg is not the ultimate CEO far from it,but compared to some of the prior ones, he at least understands the game.

Hindsight is always handy, and with the Corona crap going on now, and the money expended on Digital ,if we had known this, Digital would not have occurred and we'd have the extra loot in the Bank.

you tell me who they were, what they got paid and what they were employed to do and I’ll make a judgement on if they were worth it or not. Like I said Greenberg spent $5mill more on admin than smith last year. Want to tell me what he’s wasting the money on?
If you think a ceo of a $500million business is only earning $500k you don’t know much about business! He earnt that as head of football for the nrl.

I actually don’t mind they spent a chunk of it on digital as it has proved to be a revenue generating investment. It’s spending on things that have not created any more wealth for the game that’s the problem. Players, clubs and whole,host of other spends haven’t done anything to improve the games bottom line and the commission having no strategy to put aside a decent cash reserve and build an asset base has failed the game badly.

 

[taipan]

you tell me who they were, what they got paid and what they were employed to do and I’ll make a judgement on if they were worth it or not. Like I said Greenberg spent $5mill more on admin than smith last year. Want to tell me what he’s wasting the money on?
If you think a ceo of a $500million business is only earning $500k you don’t know much about business! He earnt that as head of football for the nrl.

I actually don’t mind they spent a chunk of it on digital as it has proved to be a revenue generating investment. It’s spending on things that have not created any more wealth for the game that’s the problem. Players, clubs and whole,host of other spends haven’t done anything to improve the games bottom line and the commission having no strategy to put aside a decent cash reserve and build an asset base has failed the game badly.

Nice deflection, and still cannot find it within yourself to criticise Smith.
Their names were spelt out in an earlier post here.The consultants' issue was brought up many times before, as being highly paid and achieving little.
No female rl when Smith in charge, digital not in use then with NRL employed journos.

You don't pay attention.Where did I say Greenberg was earning $500k ,he was on $1m ? I stated The consultants were on figures of $500k plus.Smith was on $2m,Greenberg was on about 1/2 ,that also was spelt out in the press

 

[Perth Red]

Nice deflection, and still cannot find it within yourself to criticise Smith.
Their names were spelt out in an earlier post here.The consultants' issue was brought up many times before, as being highly paid and achieving little.
No female rl when Smith in charge, digital not in use then with NRL employed journos.

You don't pay attention.Where did I say Greenberg was earning $500k ,he was on $1m ? I stated The consultants were on figures of $500k plus.Smith was on $2m,Greenberg was on about 1/2 ,that also was spelt out in the press

so point me to that post. Whom were these consultants and what where they brought 8n to do and did they do it? The only person I’ve ever heard mention is Richardson and imo he did a good job putting together an extensive blueprint for the future of the game.
Smith wasn’t on $2mill he was on $1mill according to newspapers at the time Greenberg was appointed on $500k.

Smith had his faults as all CEOs do but he was a man who could have modernised the game if he had been given the support to. As it is we are no better off, clubs and states running the joint with self interest driving bad decisions.