Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

[Eelementary]

Hayne will be back soon and I for one will welcome him with open arms.

If he comes back, I will buy him a car.

It will be a Hot Wheels car, but still...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He's just repeating what he's heard about Hayne's athletic ability, not offering his opinion. All the technical shit about loose carries and whatnot is his opinion/analysis. It took some thought, which he's obviously not very good at.

 

[Eelementary]

He's just repeating what he's heard about Hayne's athletic ability, not offering his opinion. All the technical shit about loose carries and whatnot is his opinion/analysis. It took some thought, which he's obviously not very good at.

He most certainly is not.

He's suggested screen passes when the offensive team is 3rd and 10 in their own 20...

The guy is a massive mental nuffy.

 

[spiderdan]

I believe Scotts knows the NFL, having played it at that elite level.

But I also believe he is a giant idiot.

fair enough eele. I think he's just part of the hayne bandwagon and propaganda machine to try talk hayne up (like the 10.1 100m someone claimed hayne could do on a twitter conversation I think it was).

#twitteninstonenow

 

[Parra]

But you can recover the fumble.

Knock the ball on in league, and you're screwed.

If you knock back you aren't. It's not even a fumble.

No point getting pedantic about the rules in either code.

What is interesting from a league perspective is that traditionally the penalty for a knock on was not as cut & dried. Automatically giving the opposition the loose head & feed in a non-competitive scrum has only come about since the 80's. Prior to that there was a lot less risk associated with ball play and also varied options on the 6th tackle. The rule changes since have made league more like NFL, with one out running and an automatic kick for territory on the 6th tackle. Under the old rules, when punishment for dropping the ball or getting caught on the 6th were less severe, teams could be more inventive and varied in their play. In the NRL each team basically plays the same and the team that executes the same game plan better, with less mistakes, should come out on top.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I agree the rules as they are promote conservative play. There could be plenty done to change that including allowing teams to recover their own knock ons (for a dominant tackle or surrender type play-the-ball).

Another way is to just reduce the tackle count. If you only have to defend three tackles after a turnover the potential harm is reduced considerably.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

You don't do this in NFL. So every carry is a tight carry - the premium on security is that of a forward taking it up on tackle 1, only you will be hit by players who are trying to dislodge the ball and can do almost anything they want to do this.

So you mean like how Hayne at fullback regularly would hit it up on the first tackle directly into the defence where he knew he was the only getting hit? Interesting...

 

[spiderdan]

If Hayne "has done good numbers in the strength and speed" then that means he isn't competing with that many superior athletes after all. His 'good numbers' mean he is the superior athlete.

Colin Scott might be full of shit but it makes sense. If Hayne wasn't physically within the upper echelon of NFL backs no club would bother giving him a chance, given his lack of American football background. More to the point, would Hayne bother taking that risk if he didn't have some advantage?

He's just repeating what he's heard about Hayne's athletic ability, not offering his opinion. All the technical shit about loose carries and whatnot is his opinion/analysis. It took some thought, which he's obviously not very good at.

i stick by my opinion that hayne isn't even close athletically to most of the guys in the positions he wants to play in.

his "good numbers" are just water cooler talk right now, unlike the below average 11.2 100m he ran in that fastest man in football race he trained for a couple of years back.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hayne's time over the hundred is the least of his physical ability. It's his strength and agility that are exceptional, which is why he's going for running back.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Running Backs don't have to run 100 metres fast. It's all about that initial burst of speed, the average gain for a RB is 4.4 yards or so, anything they run past that is just gravy. Hayne's strengths have always been his strength and ability to stay on his feet, Hayne has a very strong core which helps him with that. He needs to drop 5kgs and put the effort into getting his initial acceleration up.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Running Backs don't have to run 100 metres fast. It's all about that initial burst of speed, the average gain for a RB is 4.4 yards or so, anything they run past that is just gravy. Hayne's strengths have always been his strength and ability to stay on his feet, Hayne has a very strong core which helps him with that. He needs to drop 5kgs and put the effort into getting his initial acceleration up.

But when push comes to shove, a coach will take all aspects of his performance into account when deciding whether to give him a shot of not. Part of it will be his initial acceleration (his 40 time), but its not the be all and end all. Someone like Eddie Lacy for example is in the 4.6s range over 40, and slows down considerably over longer distances but he has strength.

Hayne could be a revelation, or a flop, and anywhere in between. I only hope he gets decent shot to show what he has to offer.

 

[spiderdan]

Running Backs don't have to run 100 metres fast. It's all about that initial burst of speed, the average gain for a RB is 4.4 yards or so, anything they run past that is just gravy. Hayne's strengths have always been his strength and ability to stay on his feet, Hayne has a very strong core which helps him with that. He needs to drop 5kgs and put the effort into getting his initial acceleration up.

no but anyone that can run fast over 40 yards will have a decent time over 100m. carlin isles fades over the back half of his 100m, despite being comparable to usain bolt over 40, but his 10.2 over 100 is still pretty impressive considering he isn't a sprinter. a guy who runs 11.2 for 100m is relatively slow compared to someone that runs 10.3/10.4. that relative slowness translates to a shorter distance as well.

if someone plays wr and is .1 slower over 20m, that equates to a smaller window for the qb to be able to hit a target which is pretty huge in the context of the game. a rb that needs to run from a stationary start at the snap from 5-10 yds back doesn't have as much power over that short distance as a slightly faster player. they call it a game of inches for a reason.


cliff notes version: the speed over the longer sprint distance still gives you an indication of if someone is quick or not. 11.2 over 100m is not quick for and wr or rb in the nfl.

 

[Avenger]

Still no working visa for Hayne?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Still no working visa for Hayne?

They'll do anything to stop Hayne dominating American Football.

 

[Gronk]

Still no working visa for Hayne?

Anyone can get a visa, provided you are sponsored by an employer. Same as a 457 Visa here.

Better Call Saul

 

[WaznTheGreat]

NFL has so much power and money,they could have got this Visa nonsense sorted out overnight if they wanted to,they obviously don't care about the Hayne Plod.

 

[Parra]

So you mean like how Hayne at fullback regularly would hit it up on the first tackle directly into the defence where he knew he was the only getting hit? Interesting...

Kick return or some running back duties are like this. But the opposition can do just about whatever they like to dislodge the ball. There is a lot more latitude for tacklers in NFL than in other codes.

Kick returner is one special team position that many people automatically associate with Hayne, so your comparison is valid. And you are right - it is interesting.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Just like how NRL defenders can also attack the ball to strip it if they're going in 1v1?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

If you knock back you aren't. It's not even a fumble.

No point getting pedantic about the rules in either code.

What is interesting from a league perspective is that traditionally the penalty for a knock on was not as cut & dried. Automatically giving the opposition the loose head & feed in a non-competitive scrum has only come about since the 80's. Prior to that there was a lot less risk associated with ball play and also varied options on the 6th tackle. .

The attacking team had the loose head though, prior to 1982, didn't they? And back when men were men and chicken tasted like chicken, the attacking team had both the feed and loose-head.

 

[Parra]

Just like how NRL defenders can also attack the ball to strip it if they're going in 1v1?

Yes. In that specific situation they can. Spot the difference.