Danish Moo Cow
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Roopy, you don't get it at all.
He needed help, he got sweet f**k all from the Knights.
He needed help, he got sweet f**k all from the Knights.
Well - i've already said it heaps - but since yesterday i've read Dr Halpin's statement and i think he got the best 'help' that current medical knowledge could possibly provide.Danish Moo Cow said:Roopy, you don't get it at all.
He needed help, he got sweet f**k all from the Knights.
Ross Cadell said:In my time at the Knights I really only got one sit down quality conversation with Andrew and it was sharing a car to the city from Melbourne airport. A number of things came up in that chat that have a different focus today.
Andrew loves playing rugby league, he would have been just as happy playing 15 years with the Mighty Cessnock Goanna's as being "the best player in the world." He just truly loved playing the game and meeting the challenge. I think that had he been a plumber (or something like that) and played in the weekend game his life would have been perfect. The drama was he was to good to be left alone to do that.
The stress and the torment came from the demands that people like me, his management and sponsors put on him. The catch 22 is, if you are the best player in the world you get profile, if you get profile you get bucks, if you get bucks, every now and then (read constantly) you have to dance for the dollars. That is what messed with him in my opinion.
His management had an obligation to look after his financial future and they did. But that meant the club and his personal backers made ever increasing demands on his off field time to return some of the investment. Something it now appears had a bigger drain than any of us knew.
We all have our happy and not so happy Andrew stories and as a person you can take him or leave him.
The bottom line is that on the field he gave so many great joy with his abilities. He may have been a flawed person off the field but that is because his skills made us elevate him to a position he was always uncomfortable with and never aspired to as a junior footballer.
I think given these issues, he really did an amazing job to cope as long as he did no matter how he did it. How many other players have let dazzling careers fall into tatters because of the pressures and temptations of playing top flight footy.
I think that at this time we should thank him for the good times and wish him well in dealing with his demons. He wore it all to play footy in the red and blue.
Cheers
If you worked in the field for a week you would see that 'common sense' solutions to mental health issues are just so much pissing into the wind.antonius said:So are you still saying that is was ok to just let it roll along Roops? You have to question the main reason the Knights kept it quiet for so long, I mean seriously you wouldn't be considered synical if it crossed your mind that the club just saw him as a money spinner and that they had to keep him at any cost. I'm sorry I disagree with you, but no matter what his psychiatric state, nobody will convince me that letting him take Cocaine, and ecstasy was helping him.
which would be a wonderful argument if wasn't all over the press that he is being treated for a mental illness.Dread Pirate Roberts said:Interesting debate there people, but I can't see the immediate connection from bipolar to drug use.
Self medication & risk taking behaviour both have been mentioned (in this forum) but for me, depression or being under pressure neither explains or excuses the drug use.
Isn't this more like any other mere mortal taking a few pingers after too many beers. As i sit here still nursing a hang over from last night, I know that people take illegal drugs for the same reason they take socially acceptable ones.
and he is just one bloke - not one guy who uses drugs and another who suffers from a mental illness.Dread Pirate Roberts said:... which is a different issue from the caution for drug possession
putting him in the hands of appropriate health care professionals was not just action - it was the best possible action and had the magnificent outcome of keeping him functioning at or near his best possible potential.antonius said:..... and no action taken .....
Well - this thread is full of people with no idea what they are talking about and i'm begining to feel it is like talking to brick walls - but let me just try again.Alex28 said:The club has absolutely let him down. They ignored what was going on because of the success he brought them. Heads need to roll within the club...
Joey status 'blinded club'
Andrew Webster | September 3, 2007
ANDREW Johns's standing as the perhaps the game's greatest player contributed to his slide into depression and illicit drug use, his former Knights coach, Michael Hagan, believes.
Hagan said he did not know his captain in the 2001 grand final victory over the club he now coaches, Parramatta, had dabbled in recreational drugs.
But he admitted he had spoken to Johns about alcoholism and his mental illness, which was revealed yesterday as bipolar disorder.
In Newcastle, Johns was considered a law unto himself, and Hagan said his status meant it was harder to rein in the champion halfback and respond to rumours about his drug use.
"I think we all could have done more, there's no question about that," Hagan said. "But you're also talking about someone with his sort of profile, his reputation and standing in the game.
"You'd be naive to say you didn't want Andrew Johns playing footy and doing what he did for Newcastle for 10 years. The town and team ran off the back of him for that long."
Asked whether the club had failed in trying to discipline him and if there had been double standards for Johns, Hagan said: "There had been plenty of attempts, and that's something the club can certainly review.
"You're probably right. We've seen other examples before. His profile and standing in the game … this is one of the biggest stories in the game for some time. In the end, you can't be with them 24-7, either."
In his public confession on The Footy Show last Thursday night, Johns said the Newcastle club had "probably" known about his dalliances with drugs.
So far, no past or present officials or coaches have said they did.
"There had been no evidence to me about him taking drugs," Hagan said. "He was one of the better trainers in the club. There is no question … that alcohol was certainly a big issue for Andrew. That was always known - he's depended on alcohol. That's the first thing he really needs to get under control."
After his side's loss to Parramatta yesterday, Brisbane coach Wayne Bennett lashed out at sections of the media after a report linked injured Broncos captain Darren Lockyer to illicit drug use because Lockyer had been in contact with Johns and former teammate Wendell Sailor, who is serving a two-year ban for testing positive to cocaine. Lockyer later rejected the report.
But Bennett said he had faith in the ability of the NRL's two-strikes policy, which was implemented from August 1, to weed out drug users.
"The NRL, like a lot of organisations, are probably too slow to move," Bennett said. "It takes time. But they've done it. It's moving and it's happening. That's all we have to do. I have faith in the NRL and the clubs to solve the problem.
"Players don't want it in their club [drugs]. Players don't want it. Clubs don't want it. What's happening where you work? Do you have that policy where you're being drug tested seven days a week, 24 hours a day?
"What's in the past is in the past. Joey is an ex-player …"
Asked whether he had taken up the concerns of former Broncos captain Gorden Tallis about drug use on the 2000 World Cup tour, Bennett said curtly: "If I had a conversation with Gorden Tallis, that's between him and me. I don't intend to make them public."
Rugby League Players' Association president Simon Woolford foreshadowed a post-season forum between his organisation and the NRL to decide on a direction - and he gave partial backing to the idea of an amnesty for players willing to reveal the extent of their problem.