JT and Hagan blow-up?

[parramaniac2516]

Let me remind you that Smith won the title of "Coach you would least like to be coached by" several years in a row from the player polls.

 

[macavity]

like he did at Saints??

did he leave them worse than he found them?

Saints (like Parra) have long had a culture problem - fickle fans with a born to win mentality, living on past glories and demanding unreasonable perfection. they can't look past their own arrogance to see that smith made some silk purses out of sows ears.


Newcastle doesn't have that (yet).

 

[El Diablo]

did he leave them worse than he found them?

Saints (like Parra) have long had a culture problem - fickle fans with a born to win mentality, living on past glories and demanding unreasonable perfection. they can't look past their own arrogance to see that smith made some silk purses out of sows ears.


Newcastle doesn't have that (yet).

how many premierships did Saints win thanks to Smithy's handywork after he left???

you seem to think he'll set Newcastle up to win plenty

“Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it” - George Santayana

 

[JJ]

meh - he clearly made the Dragons and the Eels stronger - regardless of the absence of premiership wins...

Should he have won more premierships with the Dragons and Eels than he did? I think he did everythinghe could with the Dragons, and the Eels were beaten by a superb one-off performance by the Knights. Plenty of very fine players, coaches and teams have missed out on premierships

 

[El Diablo]

Should he have won more premierships with the Dragons and Eels than he did?

he wone none at either

Saints haven't won one since his departure yet

 

[Stranger]

:lol:, i love the Parramatta attitude of "he has won a premiership which means he is an awesome coach" and then "Smith hasn't won a premiership meaning he is useless.".

 

[El Diablo]

i wonder who did Smith's wiki page??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Smith_(rugby_league)

Other Interesting Facts

As at December 2006, No Australian Rugby League club has ever won a premiership after being coached by Brian Smith.

 

[Ziggy the God]

he wone none at either

Saints haven't won one since his departure yet

There is no way that the Saints where one of the top 2 teams in those years that they made the GF under Smith. They had over achieved, but becuase he got them all the way there and then subsequently lost, he is a choker???? IMHO, that is pretty harsh to write-off the entire year because they fell one step short.

 

[El Diablo]

There is no way that the Saints where one of the top 2 teams in those years that they made the GF under Smith. They had over achieved, but becuase he got them all the way there and then subsequently lost, he is a choker???? IMHO, that is pretty harsh to write-off the entire year because they fell one step short.

in 93 they were

http://stats.rleague.com/rl/seas/1993.html#lad

 

[JJ]

he wone none at either

Saints haven't won one since his departure yet

I know

Are you saying that he should have won a premisership when he was there?

Are you saying he's responsible for them not winning since - although the Saints he coached no longer exist as a stand alone NRL club anyway

 

[El Diablo]

I know

Are you saying that he should have won a premisership when he was there?

Are you saying he's responsible for them not winning since - although the Saints he coached no longer exist as a stand alone NRL club anyway

yes

 

[eels_fan_01]

:lol:, i love the Parramatta attitude of "he has won a premiership which means he is an awesome coach" and then "Smith hasn't won a premiership meaning he is useless.".

Well after years of copping it from other supporters on that exact theory about Brian Smith, why cant we use it now you c*ck sucker.

 

[JJ]

yes

:lol: up to your usual standard then... Nothing to do with the Broncos, Raiders etc having better teams?

 

[aqua_duck]

Neither do you my friend.

Look at all the Quality players Smith has let go or told them they were no good.

Mateo
Hayne
Tonga
Richards

BK
Tahu
Bird
Tupou
Albert
Rauhihi

Its not Hagan's fault Newcastle are sh*t without Johns

As the 1st grade coach I think it is his fault, but then again Joey did do most of Hagan's work for him, including conducting training sessions, so maybe its joey's fault

 

[Ziggy the God]

in 93 they were

http://stats.rleague.com/rl/seas/1993.html#lad

True they did finish second during the regular season in '93, with the rest of the top 5 one game behind. I would argue that the Canterbury and Brisbane sides where both better on paper, but that would be my bent on it.

Awesome looking at that table though!

 

[Stranger]

Well after years of copping it from other supporters on that exact theory about Brian Smith, why cant we use it now you c*ck sucker.

LMAO! Merkin. Grandfinals don't show a coachs ability and they don't show a teams ability.

 

[El Diablo]

:lol: up to your usual standard then... Nothing to do with the Broncos, Raiders etc having better teams?

Saints managed to beat these two "better teams" in 93 at other stages

he'd just beaten Brisbane in the last round of the regular season in Brisbane

couldn't win the big one though

 

[JJ]

Saints managed to beat these two "better teams" in 93 at other stages

couldn't win the big one though

And that's because of Smith, rather than the likes of Lazarus, Walters, langer, Renouf, Carne, Hancock etc etc? :lol:

 

[El Diablo]

LMAO! Merkin. Grandfinals don't show a coachs ability and they don't show a teams ability.

what is it they show then?

 

[El Diablo]

And that's because of Smith, rather than the likes of Lazarus, Walters, langer, Renouf, Carne, Hancock etc etc? :lol:

they were there in round 22 in Brisbane, weren't they?