Kangaroos Team Vs New Zealand

[ParraEelsNRL]

Here you go Pete, learn some f**king history.

Oct 23rd France 11 - Wales 12 (European Cup)
Oct 16th France 26 - Scotland 12 (European Cup)
9th Oct France 58 - Ireland 24 (European Cup)
Jun 12th England 60 - France 6 (Test Match)

2009 Results
Nov 7th Australia 42 - France 4 (Four Nations)
Oct 31st New Zealand 62 - France 12 (Four Nations)
Oct 23rd England 34 - France 12 (Four Nations)
Jun 13th England 66 - France 12 (Test Match)

2008 Results
Nov 9th Samoa 42 - France 10 (World Cup Ranking)
Nov 1st Fiji 42 - France 6 (World Cup)
Oct 26th France 36 - Scotland 18 (World Cup)
Jun 27th England 56 - France 8 (Test Match)

2007 Results
Nov 17th New Zealand 22 - France 14 (Test Match)
Nov 11th France 22 - Papua New Guinea 16 (Test Series)
Nov 3rd France 38 - Papua New Guinea 26 (Test Series)
Oct 27th France 46 - Scotland 16
Jun 22nd Great Britain 42 - France 14 (Test Match)

2006 Results
Nov 5th Tonga 48 - France 10 (Federation Shield)
Oct 29th France 28 - Samoa 6 (Federation Shield)
Oct 22nd England 26 - France 10 (Federation Shield)

2005 Results
Nov 19th New Zealand 38 - France 22 (Test Match)
Nov 11th Australia 44 - France 12 (Test Match)
France 80 - Russia 0
Oct 30th France 60 - Georgia 0

2004 Results
Nov 21st Australia 52 - France 30 (Test Match)
Nov 13th New Zealand 24 - France 20 (Test Match)
Oct 30th England 42 - France 4
Oct 16th France 58 - Russia 10
Oct 9th Lebanon 42 - France 12 (Mediterranean Cup)
Oct 5th France 18 - Serbia 4 (Mediterranean Cup)
Oct 2nd France 46 - Morocco 6 (Mediterranean Cup)

2003 Results
Nov 9th Scotland 8 - France 6
Oct 25th Lebanon 26 - France 18 (Mediterranean Cup)
Oct 22nd France 120 - Serbia 0 (Mediterranean Cup)
Oct 19th France 72 - Morocco 0 (Mediterranean Cup)
May 9th France 29 - Russia 12
Jan 11th France 26 - Ireland 18

2002 Results
Nov 30th New Zealand 36 - France 10 (Test Match)
Nov 2nd Lebanon 36 - France 6 (Mediterranean Cup)

2001 Results
Jul 3rd Scotland 42 - France 20
Jun 26th France 56 - Ireland 16
Jun 10th New Zealand 36 - France 0 (Test Match)
Great Britain 42 - France 12 (Test Match)

2000 Results
Nov 12th New Zealand 54 - France 6 (World Cup Quarter Final)
Nov 5th France 56 - South Africa 6 (World Cup)
Nov 1st France 28 - Tonga 8 (World Cup)
Oct 28th Papua New G 23 - France 20 (World Cup)
Jul 3rd France 82 - Russia 0

1999 Results
Nov 11th France 80 - Morocco 8
Oct 23rd England 50 - France 20
Oct 13th England 28 - France 20

1998 Results
Nov 11th France 26 - Scotland 22
Nov 4th France 24 - Ireland 22

1997 Results
Jul 9th France 22 - Scotland 20
May 13th Ireland 30 - France 30


1996 Results
Jun 12th England 73 - France 6 (European Nations Cup)
Jun 5th Wales 34 - France 14 (European Nations Cup)

1995 Results
Oct 12th Western Samoa 56 - France 10 (World Cup)
Oct 9th Wales 28 - France 6 (World Cup)
Jun 16th New Zealand 16 - France 16 (Test Series)
Jun 9th New Zealand 22 - France 6 (Test Series)
Papua New Guinea 18 - France 16
France 72 - Canada 32
Mar 5th Wales 22 - France 10 (European Nations Cup)
Feb 15th England 19 - France 16 (European Nations Cup)

1994 Results
Dec 4th Australia 74 - France 0 (Test Match)
Great Britain 12 - France 4 (Test Match)
Jul 9th Fiji 20 - France 12 (Test Match)
Jul 6th Australia 58 - France 0 (Test Match)
Mar 4th Wales 13 - France 12 (Test Match)

1993 Results
Nov 21st New Zealand 36 - France 11
France 34 - Moldova 14
Great Britain 72 - France 6
Great Britain 48 - France 6
France 30 - Russia 14

1992 Results
Dec 13th Wales 19 - France 18
Papua New Guinea 38 - France 8
France 28 - Papua New Guin 26
Nov 20th Wales 35 - France 6
France 34 - Russia 8
France 38 - Russia 4
Mar 7th Great Britain 36 - France 0 (World Cup & Test Series)
Great Britain 30 - France 12 (Test Series)

1991 Results
Nov 24th France 28 - Papua New Guinea 14 (World Cup)
France 26 - Russia 6
Jun 23rd New Zealand 32 - France 10 (World Cup & Test Series)
Jun 13th New Zealand 60 - France 6 (Test Series)
Jan 27th Great Britain 45 - France 10 (World Cup & Test Series)
Jan Great Britain 60 - France 4 (Test Series)

1990 Results
Dec 9th Australia 34 - France 10 (World Cup & Test Series)
Dec 2nd Australia 60 - France 4 (Test Series)
Jul 27th Australia 34 - France 2 (World Cup & Test Series)
Apr 7th France 25 - Great Britain 18 (Test Series)
Mar 18th Great Britain 8 - France 4 (Test Series)

1989 Results
Dec 3rd New Zealand 34 - France 0 (World Cup & Test Series)
Nov 19th New Zealand 16 - France 14 (Test Series)

1988 Results
Feb 6th Great Britain 30 - France 12 (Test Series)
Jan 24th Great Britain 28 - France 14 (Test Series)

1987 Results
Nov 15th France 21 - Papua New Guin 4 (World Cup & Test Series)
Nov France 20 - Papua New Guinea 20 (Test Series)
Feb 8th Great Britain 20 - France 10 (Test Series)
Jan 14th Great Britain 52 - France 4 (World Cup & Test Series)

1986 Results
Dec 13th Australia 52 - France 0 (World Cup & Test Series)
Nov 30th Australia 44 - France 2 (Test Series)
Mar 1st Great Britain 24 - France 10 (Test Series)
Feb 16th France 10 - Great Britain 10 (World Cup & Test Series)

1985 Results
Dec 7th New Zealand 22 - France 0 (World Cup & Test Series)
Nov 23rd New Zealand 22 - France 0 (Test Series)
Mar 17th France 24 - Great Britain 16 (Test Series)
Mar 1st Great Britain 50 - France 4 (Test Series)

1984 Results
Feb 17th Great Britain 10 - France 0 (Test Series)
Jan 29th Great Britain 12 - France 0 (Test Series)

1983 Results
Mar 6th Great Britain 17 - France 5 (Test Series)
Feb 20th Great Britain 20 - France 5 (Test Series)

1982 Results
Dec 18th Australia 23 - France 9 (Test Series)
Dec 5th Australia 15 - France 4 (Test Series)

1981 Results
Dec 20th France 19 - Great Britain 2 (Test Series)
Dec 6th Great Britain 37 - France 0 (Test Series)
Jul 18th Australia 17 - France 2 (Test Series)
Jul 4th Australia 43 - France 3 (Test Series)
Jun 21st New Zealand 25 - France 2 (Test Series)
Jun 7th New Zealand 26 - France 3 (Test Series)
Papua New Guinea 28 - France 8 (Test Match)
Feb 21st France 5 - England 1 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 31st France 23 - Wales 5 (European Nations Cup)

1980 Results
Dec 7th New Zealand 11 - France 3 (Test Series)
Nov 22nd France 6 - New Zealand 5 (Test Series)
Mar 16th England 4 - France 2 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 26th France 15 - Wales 8 (European Nations Cup)

1979 Results
Mar 24th England 12 - France 6 (European Nations Cup)
Feb 4th France 21 - Wales 7 (European Nations Cup)

1978 Results
Dec 10th France 11 - Australia 10 (Test Series)
Nov 26th France 13 - Australia 10 (Test Series)
Mar 5th England 13 - France 11 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 15th Wales 29 - France 7 (European Nations Cup)

1977 Results
Jun 19th New Zealand 28 - France 20 (World Cup)
Jun 11th Australia 21 - France 9 (World Cup)
Jun 5th Great Britain 23 - France 4 (World Cup)
Mar 20th France 28 - England 15 (European Nations Cup)
Feb 20th Wales 13 - France 2 (European Nations Cup)

1975 Results
Nov 6th Wales 23 - France 2 (World Cup)
Oct 26th Australia 41 - France 2 (World Cup)
Oct 17th New Zealand 12 - France 12 (World Cup)
Oct 11th England 48 - France 2 (World Cup)
Jun 22nd Australia 26 - France 6 (World Cup)
Jun 15th New Zealand 27- France 0 (World Cup)
Mar 16th England 20 - France 2 (World Cup)
Mar 2nd France 14 - Wales 7 (World Cup)
Feb 16th Wales 21 - France 8 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 19th England 11 - France 9 (European Nations Cup)

1974 Results
Feb 17th Great Britain 29 - France 0 (Test Series)
Jan 20th Great Britain 24 - France 5 (Test Series)

1973 Results
Dec 16th France 14 - Australia 3 (Test Series)
Dec 9th France 21 - Australia 9 (Test Series)

1972 Results
Nov 5th Australia 31 - France 9 (World Cup)
Nov 1st Great Britain 13 - France 4 (World Cup)
Oct 28th France 20 - New Zealand 9 (World Cup)
Mar 12th Great Britain 45 - France 10 (Test Series)
Feb 6th Great Britain 10 - France 9 (Test Series)

1971 Results
Nov 28th New Zealand 3 - France 3 (Test Series)
Nov 21st New Zealand 24 - France 2 (Test Series)
Nov 11th New Zealand 27 - France 11 (Test Series)
Mar 17th Great Britain 24 - France 2 (Test Series)
Feb 7th France 16 - Great Britain 8 (Test Match)

1970 Results
Nov 1st France 17 - Australia 15 (World Cup)
Oct 28th Great Britain 6 - France 0 (World Cup)
Oct 25th New Zealand 16 - France 15 (World Cup)
Mar 15th France 14 - England 9 (European Nations Cup)
Feb 24th England 26 - France 7 (European Nations Cup)

1969 Results
Oct 25th England 11 - France 11 (European Nations Cup)
Oct 23rd France 8 - Wales 2 (European Nations Cup)
Mar 9th France 8 - Wales 2 (Test Match)
Feb 2nd France 13 - Great Britain 9 (Test Match)

1968 Results
Nov 30th Great Britain 34 - France 10 (Test Match)
Jun 10th Australia 20 - France 2 (World Cup Final)
Jun 8th Australia 37 - France 4 (World Cup)
Jun 2nd France 7 - Great Britain 2 (World Cup)
May 25th France 15 - New Zealand 10 (World Cup)
Mar 2nd Great Britain 19 - France 8 (Test Series)
Feb 11th Great Britain 22 - France 13 (Test Series)
Jan 7th France 16 - Australia 13 (Test Series)

1967 Results
Dec 24th France 10 - Australia 3 (Test Series)
Dec 17th France 7 - Australia 7 (Test Series)
Mar 4th France 23 - Great Britain 13 (Test Series)
Jan 22nd Great Britain 16 - France 13 (Test Series)

1966 Results
Mar 5th France 8 - Great Britain 4 (Test Series)
Jan 16th France 18 - Great Britain 13 (Test Series)

1965 Results
Dec 12th France 28 - New Zealand 5 (Test Series)
Nov 28th France 6 - New Zealand 2 (Test Series)
Nov 14th France 14 - New Zealand 3 (Test Series)
Jan 23rd Great Britain 17 - France 7 (Test Series)

1964 Results
Dec 6th France 18 - Great Britain 8 (Test Series)
Aug 15th New Zealand 10 - France 2 (Test Series)
Aug 1st New Zealand 18 - France 8 (Test Series)
Jul 25th New Zealand 24 - France 16 (Test Series)
Jul 18th Australia 35 - France 9 (Test Series)
Jul 4th Australia 27 - France 2 (Test Series)
Jun 13th Australia 20 - France 6 (Test Series)
Mar 18th Great Britain 39 - France 0 (Test Series)
Mar 8th Great Britain 11 - France 5 (Test Series)
Jan 18th Australia 16 - France 8 (Test Series)

1963 Results
Dec 22nd Australia 21 - France 9 (Test Series)
Dec 8th France 8 - Australia 5 (Test Series)
Apr 3rd Great Britain 42 - France 4 (Test Match)
Feb 17th France 23 - Wales 2 (Test Match)

1962 Results
Dec 2nd France 17 - Great Britain 12 (Test Match)
Nov 17th England 18 - France 6 (Test Match)
Mar 11th France 23 - Great Britain 13 (Test Series)
Feb 17th France 20 - Great Britain 15 (Test Series)

1961 Results
Dec 9th New Zealand 5 - France 5 (Test Series)
Nov 18th New Zealand 23 - France 2 (Test Series)
Nov 11th New Zealand 6 - France 6 (Test Series)
Jan 28th Great Britain 27 - France 8 (Test Series)

1960 Results
Dec 11th Great Britain 21 - France 10 (Test Series)
Oct 8th New Zealand 9 - France 0 (World Cup)
Oct 1st Great Britain 33 - France 7 (World Cup)
Sep 24th Australia 13 - France 12 (World Cup)
Aug 6th New Zealand 9 - France 3 (Test Series)
Jul 16th France 7 - Australia 5 (Test Series)
Jul 2nd Australia 56 - France 6 (Test Series)
Jun 23rd New Zealand 11 - France 2 (Test Series)
Jun 11th Australia 8 - France 8 (Test Series)
Mar 26th Great Britain 17 - France 17 (Test Series)
Mar 6th France 20 - Great Britain 18 (Test Series)
Jan 20th Australia 16 - France 8 (Test Series)

1959 Results
Dec 20th Australia 17 - France 12 (Test Series)
Oct 31st Australia 20 - France 19 (Test Series)
Apr 5th France 24 - Great Britain 15 (Test Series)
Mar 14th Great Britain 50 - France 15 (Test Series)
Mar 1st France 25 - Wales 8 (Test Match)

1958 Results
Mar 2nd Great Britain 23 - France 9 (Test Match)

1957 Results
Nov 23rd Great Britain 44 - France 15 (Test Series)
Nov 3rd Great Britain 25 - France 14 (Test Series)
Jun 22nd Australia 26 - France 9 (World Cup)
Jun 17th France 14 - New Zealand 10 (World Cup)
Jun 15th Great Britain 23 - France 5 (World Cup)
Apr 10th Great Britain 29 - France 14 (Test Series)
Mar 3rd Great Britain 19 - France 19 (Test Series)
Jan 26th Great Britain 45 - France 12 (Test Series)
Jan 13th Australia 25 - France 21 (Test Series)

1956 Results
Dec 23rd Australia 10 - France 6 (Test Series)
Nov 1st Australia 15 - France 8 (Test Series)
May 10th France 23 - England 9 (European Nations Cup)
Apr 11th Great Britain 18 - France 10 (Test Match)
Jan 21st France 24 - New Zealand 3
Jan 15th New Zealand 31 - France 22
Jan 8th France 24 - New Zealand 7

1955 Results
Dec 11th France 17 - Great Britain 5 (Test Match)
Aug 13th New Zealand 11 - France 6 (Test Series)
Aug 6th France 19 - New Zealand 9 (Test Series)
Jul 27th France 8 - Australia 5 (Test Series)
Jul 2nd France 29 - Australia 28 (Test Series)
Jun 11th Australia 20 - France 8 (Test Series)

1954 Results
Nov 13th Great Britain 16 - France 12 (World Cup Final)
Nov 11th France 15 - Australia 5 (World Cup)
Nov 7th Great Britain 13 - France 13 (World Cup)
Oct 30th France 22 - New Zealand 13 (World Cup)
Apr 27th Great Britain 17 - France 8 (Test Match)

1953 Results
Dec 13th France 23 - Wales 22 (European Nations Cup)
Nov 7th England 7 - France 5 (European Nations Cup)
May 24th France 28 - Great Britain 17 (Test Match)
Apr 11th England 15 - France 13 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 25th France 13 - Australia 5 (Test Series)
Jan 11th France 5 - Australia 0 (Test Series)

1952 Results
Dec 27th Australia 16 - France 12 (Test Series)
Oct 25th Wales 22 - France 16 (Test Match)
May 22nd France 22 - Great Britain 12 (Test Match)

1951 Results
Dec 23rd France 8 - New Zealand 3 (Test Series)
Dec 30th France 17 - New Zealand 7 (Test Series)
Nov 25th France 42 - England 13 (European Nations Cup)
Sep 19th England 35 - France 11 (European Nations Cup)
Aug 4th New Zealand 16 - France 15 (Test Series)
Jul 21st France 35 - Australia 14 (Test Series)
Jun 30th Australia 23 - France 11 (Test Series)
Jun 11th France 26 - Australia 15 (Test Series)
Apr 15th France 28 - Wales 13 (European Nations Cup)

1950 Results
Nov 11th England 14 - France 9 (European Nations Cup)

1949 Results
Dec 4th England 13 - France 5 (European Nations Cup)
Nov 12th Wales 16 - France 8 (European Nations Cup)
Apr 10th France 11 - Wales 0 (European Nations Cup)
Mar 12th France 12 - England 5 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 23rd Australia 10 - France 0 (Test Series)
Jan 9th Australia 29 - France 10 (Test Series)

1948 Results
Nov 28th England 12 - France 5 (European Nations Cup)
Oct 23rd France 12 - Wales 9 (European Nations Cup)
Apr 11th England 25 - France 10 (European Nations Cup)
Mar 20th France 20 - Wales 12 (European Nations Cup)

1947 Results
Nov 23rd France 29 - Wales 21(European Nations Cup)
Nov 1st New Zealand 10 - France 7 (Test Match)
Oct 25th England 20 - France 15 (European Nations Cup)
May 17th England 5 - France 2 (European Nations Cup)
Apr 12th Wales 17 - France 15 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 18th France 14 - Wales 5 (European Nations Cup)

1946 Results
Dec 8th England 3 - France 0 (European Nations Cup)
Mar 24th France 19 - Wales 7 (European Nations Cup)
Feb 23rd England 16 - France 6 (European Nations Cup)

1939 Results
Apr 16th France 16 - Wales 10 (European Nations Cup)
Feb 25th France 12 - England 9 (European Nations Cup)

1938 Results
Apr 2nd Wales 18 - France 2 (European Nations Cup)
Mar 20th England 17 - France 15 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 16th Australia 16 - France 11 (Test Series)
Jan 2nd Australia 29 - France 8 (Test Series)

1937 Results
Apr 10th England 23 - France 9 (European Nations Cup)

1936 Results
Dec 6th Wales 9 - France 3 (European Nations Cup)
Feb 1st England 25 - France 7 (European Nations Cup)

1935 Results
Mar 28th England 15 - France 15 (European Nations Cup)
Jan 1st France 18 - Wales 11(European Nations Cup)

1934 Results
Apr 15th England 32 - France 21 (Test Match)

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

So if I can understand you correctly Big Pete, you believe that France and Wales who have beaten Australia previously should have had their Test status revoked when they ceased to become competitive. When should this have happened? And how do judge competitiveness? What exactly would the process be for revoking Test status based purely on competitiveness?

Yep, I believe that's what he's thinking.

If that's the case, the only side that should have Test status is Australia.

Hang on, didn't the Kiwis smash Australia by 24-0 in the Tri Nations a few years ago?

I guess no team should have Test status then :crazy:

 

[Big Pete]

I already have access but thanks for the effort.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

:lol: You mean where Australia flogged them by 24 points? Please, they were about as dangerous as the Yanks were.

Why not mention the other two big sides they have played in the last 20 years, or would that ruin your pathetic argument?

I know the game in France is developing but considering they could barely field a team within the past 10 years it certainly makes you wonder why they're worthy of such a status.

I guess you haven't had a good look at the results in that time.

I've justified my point of view and I didn't say dump, just strip them of test status and consider them an International side until they set themselves up.

You have justified nothing.

If we went your way, every team that has been flogged would have their test status revoked because every team has been smashed at some point.

Tests are recognised within the game's history and are given more respect. There is also an exclusive arrangement between the sides and the players.

And you want to remove nations that have earnt their right to play these prestigious games :crazy:

Yes, I know a Test side represents a member of the RLIF, which is essentially like the Easter Show where everybody gets a prize, but it's a joke and my argument is these sides aren't ready for this responsibility just yet. Some sides admittedly are more prepared than others and I've made that point.

Why, because they've gone through some hard times?

If that was the case, nearly every sport on the planet should've kicked teams out.

And here you are being melodramatic again. No, have them play more games, keep developing them and when they're ready grant them Test status.

Again with the melodramatic BS, as I said, it's not me being melodramatic and wanting to kick teams out, that's you and as I said, it's extreme.

 

[flamin]

I understand what you mean Pete and perhaps if we were starting from scratch today some might define matches between the big 3 as the Tests being the only first class matches. But we are not starting from today. Nations with long histories in the game deserved their status in the past. I can understand revoking Test status based on other measures but they cannot lose their status based on competitiveness alone because it is simply impractical to implement on an ongoing basis.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I understand what you mean Pete and perhaps if we were starting from scratch today some might define matches between the big 3 as the Tests being the only first class matches. But we are not starting from today. Nations with long histories in the game deserved their status in the past. I can understand revoking Test status based on other measures but they cannot lose their status based on competitiveness alone because it is simply impractical to implement on an ongoing basis.

Exactly, and if you look at some results above, you'll see that in 1 game, the Frogs have been smashed by 50 only to turn around and win the next match have a draw or lose by 2/3/4 points.

 

[Big Pete]

You're using words like 'kicking out' when I'm saying strip them and give them more advantages while giving our International game the respect it deserves.

You keep putting words in my mouth and exaggerating what I said, it's a melodramatic means and isn't taking this discussion anywhere.

And the difference between England, NZ, Australia and the rest is that while those other sides might cop a flogging, they can still retaliate and have the best resources available. The others don't, yet. And it's unfair to think they would when they've only just started playing professional Rugby League within the past 5 years.

 

[Big Pete]

I understand what you mean Pete and perhaps if we were starting from scratch today some might define matches between the big 3 as the Tests being the only first class matches. But we are not starting from today. Nations with long histories in the game deserved their status in the past. I can understand revoking Test status based on other measures but they cannot lose their status based on competitiveness alone because it is simply impractical to implement on an ongoing basis.

And there's nothing wrong with that history. That French side deserves to be remembered as a Test nation. The current one, that's still developing doesn't deserve to tarnish that history.

I'm not against the International game at all, I want to see us expand I believe we have one of the best products to do so. I just feel that granting sides a responsibility that handicaps them isn't good for the game. I feel there's better approaches.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

You're using words like 'kicking out' when I'm saying strip them and give them more advantages while giving our International game the respect it deserves.

And who are you to be telling other nations what they can and can't represent?

Oh, it's ok to play games, but you are beneath us, know your place blah blah blah.

Taking Test status off nations is melodramatic in the extreme, I could see a case for a nation like South Africa who play no one, don't let anyone know what's going on, have no proof they even play the game, but for Nations like France, Wales and PNG, this is not the case.

You keep putting words in my mouth and exaggerating what I said, it's a melodramatic means and isn't taking this discussion anywhere.

You are the one bringing up melodramatic, I just think it's melodramatic to take the test status off countries who actually have a long history in the game, have everything in place and always manage to play the games they are offered. Just because they aren't world beaters every year should have nothing to do with it as long as they full-fill every other part.

And the difference between England, NZ, Australia and the rest is that while those other sides might cop a flogging, they can still retaliate and have the best resources available. The others don't, yet. And it's unfair to think they would when they've only just started playing professional Rugby League within the past 5 years.

Who has only started playing professionally in the last 5 years?

 

[AuDragon]

I think BP is taking the word Test a bit too literally...

IMO, you don't have to be competitive to be a Test Nation.
I do think that the country needs to have a significant competition, or at least clubs competing in one, an infrastructure capable of sustaining said teams as well as a junior base, and a development structure in place to mantain or improve the standing of the game in all its facets.

To increase competitiveness in the International arena, I believe that player eligibility should be much stricter.
If a player is eligible for more than one country, the lowest ranked country should get preference. Once a player has represented a country, he cannot change his allegiance.

The above could be a danger to Origin's status in the game, so allow rep players from other countries to participate, as long as they fullfill the other Origin eligibility pre-requisites.

All of this is controversial, but imo it would definitely contribute to a greater and faster development of Rugby League in the rest of the world.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Nightingale is a clutch player, he comes up with huge plays.

He's the best winger in the world. Manu's 2nd just due to what he can do when he's playing at his peak.

Uate 3rd IMHO.

Nightingale
Best winger in the world.....Pffft! You have NFI

Uate and Yow Yeh > the rest. Both had a great origin series and both held that form all year.

Manu's a powerful runner........when he can hold the ball, which at best is 50/50

Boyd shouldn't be there above Yow Yeh.

After 2010's abysmal team selections, Tim Sheens shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the selectors room.

 

[Big Pete]

Who has only started playing professionally in the last 5 years?

They've only just started playing professional Rugby League in the last five years through the Catalans Dragons.

You are the one bringing up melodramatic, I just think it's melodramatic to take the test status off countries who actually have a long history in the game, have everything in place and always manage to play the games they are offered. Just because they aren't world beaters every year should have nothing to do with it as long as they full-fill every other part.

And that's your POV.

Mine is Test Rugby League is too big a responsibility for them and they need every advantage they can get to grow the game. Restricting who they choose isn't one of them and it's unfair for past French sides to be lumped with this current one when they're at two different stages.

 

[Big Pete]

I think BP is taking the word Test a bit too literally...

IMO, you don't have to be competitive to be a Test Nation.
I do think that the country needs to have a significant competition, or at least clubs competing in one, an infrastructure capable of sustaining said teams as well as a junior base, and a development structure in place to mantain or improve the standing of the game in all its facets.

To increase competitiveness in the International arena, I believe that player eligibility should be much stricter.
If a player is eligible for more than one country, the lowest ranked country should get preference. Once a player has represented a country, he cannot change his allegiance.

The above could be a danger to Origin's status in the game, so allow rep players from other countries to participate, as long as they fullfill the other Origin eligibility pre-requisites.

All of this is controversial, but imo it would definitely contribute to a greater and faster development of Rugby League in the rest of the world.

The problem is, most sides don't have that, or they've just started getting it in place. That's my concern.

And of course I value the term 'Test' side. You should have to earn it, not given it to you for the sake of it.

Not a fan of the Origin idea.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

They've only just started playing professional Rugby League in the last five years through the Catalans Dragons.

As in SL yes, but the game over there has been openly pro since 1934.

That's why when they had the name Rugby taken away and got no government funding, they had a players market where they had to fight RU for players and this is were all their money went. Another dirty trick played on them at the time so they couldn't build up any decent funds for use elsewhere.

And that's your POV.

Mine is Test Rugby League is too big a responsibility for them and they need every advantage they can get to grow the game. Restricting who they choose isn't one of them and it's unfair for past French sides to be lumped with this current one when they're at two different stages.

They are on the verge of rejoining the top 3 now and just as they are about to get there, you want to take it away :crazy:

 

[Big Pete]

That's why when they had the name Rugby taken away and got no government funding, they had a players market where they had to fight RU for players.

Again, you don't see this as a problem?

They are on the verge of rejoining the top 3 now and just as they are about to get there, you want to take it away :crazy:

They've got ways to go yet. It isn't a big deal and they'll be better equipped when the time is right.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

The problem is, most sides don't have that, or they've just started getting it in place. That's my concern.

And of course I value the term 'Test' side. You should have to earn it, not given it to you for the sake of it.

Not a fan of the Origin idea.

France has well over 60 clubs that can get promoted/relegated, they have proved they can run their own comp.

They have sponsors, radio and TV stations covering the games, they have doubled their juniors in the last 5 years, they play against anyone they wants to play them and they go out of their way to promote and grow the game in new nations.

They deserve their Test status.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Again, you don't see this as a problem?

No I don't, they survived and now they are growing again because these things have changed.

They've got ways to go yet. It isn't a big deal and they'll be better equipped when the time is right.

They have the right to play tests now and that's how it is, deal with it.

 

[Big Pete]

Yes, but the game is still way behind Australia/NZ and England. Expecting them to be a Test nation after all that's happened is unfair to them, and I've listed why.

And people have a right to be critical of it. I don't agree with it, I think it's a joke and that's my opinion.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

It's sport for goodness sake, 1 team wins, the other loses.

If a nation has a domestic comp, juniors, u16's, u18's and a full national team and they receive government funding, sponsorship, radio, TV and newspaper exposure, they deserve to be a Test nation.

It should have nothing to do with how many wins the nation gets, it's about the overall picture.

 

[Big Pete]

The nation has to prove itself stable before it can receive that kind of recognition.

France still has some ways to go to do that.