Kangaroos Team Vs New Zealand

[Twizzle]

I couldn't see Nightingale making the Aussie team

 

[Parra Pride]

Aussie team needs more Tim Mannah.

 

[Parra Pride]

I couldn't see Nightingale making the Aussie team

Sheens wouldn't pick him, but I'd have him ahead of Boyd any day of the week.

 

[Twizzle]

I'd have Yow Yeh in front of Boyd but this is only the first test so may not necessarily be our strongest team just yet, no doubt there will be some movements over the next few weeks.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Yep.

Only three teams are really worthy of being 'Test' sides, the rest are still developing.

What garbage.

So unless these other teams can beat Aus, NZ or Eng once in a while, they are not worthy of being called Test nations?

 

[Big Pete]

What garbage.

So unless these other teams can beat Aus, NZ or Eng once in a while, they are not worthy of being called Test nations?

Can compete against the top sides, have the right finances and structures in place etc.

It's pretty embarrassing when one of the sides can't even go on tour because they can't afford to.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Can compete against the top sides, have the right finances and structures in place etc.

Well what would you call France and Wales then?

Don't both have domestic comps?

Haven't both teams beat each of Aus, NZ and Eng in their history?

Don't they both have junior international teams that compete and beat other international teams?

Don't both nations have representation on the RLEF/RLIF boards?

Don't both have pro teams at various levels?

It's pretty embarrassing when one of the sides can't even go on tour because they can't afford to.

True, but the two nations I mentioned above can, and you left them out.

 

[Big Pete]

France and Wales don't tick the first box yet. Granted, they're well on their way and would be the first two teams to be granted Test status but still need time to develop before we consider them Test nations.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

France and Wales don't tick the first box yet. Granted, they're well on their way and would be the first two teams to be granted Test status but still need time to develop before we consider them Test nations.

What the %%%%?


France has it's own comp where the lowest budget for an LER 1 club for player salaries a year is 350,000 Euros, a club like Toulouse has spent anywhere up to 1.8 million about 5 years ago for a LER 1 side per year. Some players in the LER on 200k a season now.

France and Wales have beat each of the top 3 sides and the more games they play against them, the sooner it starts happening again.

1995, Wales nearly knocked Aus out of the RLWC, France has played in two finals. Before the Kiwis came along and beat Aus in the TRI Nations, France was the last side to beat the Australians in a TEST series.

 

[Big Pete]

I'm talking about my list.

They're not competitive.

And the last time they were against the top sides, how long ago was it? How many decades are we going back here?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

You can say they are not competitive, but the fact remains that both sides have struggled to put a full strength team on the park for near a decade.

France has a fully pro side in the ESL now and has players in other ESL sides, they are just about ready to knock off one of the big 3 again if they can get all their players on the park at the same time.

But you don't want to give them the opportunity because you think they aren't up to it :roll:

Well, screw them and the rest, time to give up and just watch the NRL :crazy:

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Great Britain lost to Australia in 2001 by 64 - 10, should we dump them as well because of that?

 

[Big Pete]

You can say they are not competitive, but the fact remains that both sides have struggled to put a full strength team on the park for near a decade.

France has a fully pro side in the ESL now and has players in other ESL sides, they are just about ready to knock off one of the big 3 again if they can get all their players on the park at the same time.

But you don't want to give them the opportunity because you think they aren't up to it :roll:

Well, screw them and the rest, time to give up and just watch the NRL :crazy:

And you don't think that's a problem?

F**k me some of you are melodramatic. There's a difference from being a Test nation and an International one. I want to see us play more International games but I don't want to see sides that aren't up to it be recognised as Test nations. Let's treat our game with honour and not rejoice in the usual Australia B > France floggings.

 

[Big Pete]

Great Britain lost to Australia in 2001 by 64 - 10, should we dump them as well because of that?

2002 actually and they've been competitive since and tick all the other boxes.

Keep sulking though or making things up like you did with Wales in 1995.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

And you don't think that's a problem?

Not as much now if you had bothered to have a look into it in the first place.

If you did, you'd know that outside of the Catalans French players, other ESL teams have French players now, it's called building depth.

F**k me some of you are melodramatic.

Melodramatic?

Not me, it's you and your called to dump Test playing nations because you feel they are shit, they aren't competitive or don't have any infrastructure.

Isn't that melodramatic in the extreme?

There's a difference from being a Test nation and an International one.

Really?

Could you let us all know what the difference is?

I want to see us play more International games but I don't want to see sides that aren't up to it be recognised as Test nations. Let's treat our game with honour and not rejoice in the usual Australia B > France floggings.

So just dump them and in 10 years give them another crack and hope for the best eh? :crazy:

A Test is supposed to be one nations best against another nations best, that's all.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

2002 actually and they've been competitive since and tick all the other boxes.

Keep sulking though or making things up like you did with Wales in 1995.

Bahahaha, what did I make up?

You have been shown up to have no knowledge of what is happening anywhere outside Australia and you accuse others of having a sulk?

Australia has flogged everyone in the last decade by massive margins, so according to you, we should stop playing tests because no one else is up to the challenge. :crazy:

 

[Big Pete]

Wales didn't even play Australia in the 95 RLWC.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Oh well, it was 2000 then wasn't it.

Sue me for mixing up RLWC's :roll:

 

[flamin]

I'm talking about my list.

They're not competitive.

And the last time they were against the top sides, how long ago was it? How many decades are we going back here?

So if I can understand you correctly Big Pete, you believe that France and Wales who have beaten Australia previously should have had their Test status revoked when they ceased to become competitive. When should this have happened? And how do judge competitiveness? What exactly would the process be for revoking Test status based purely on competitiveness?

 

[Big Pete]

:lol: You mean where Australia flogged them by 24 points? Please, they were about as dangerous as the Yanks were.

Not as much now if you had bothered to have a look into it in the first place.

I know the game in France is developing but considering they could barely field a team within the past 10 years it certainly makes you wonder why they're worthy of such a status.

Not me, it's you and your called to dump Test playing nations because you feel they are shit, they aren't competitive or don't have any infrastructure.

I've justified my point of view and I didn't say dump, just strip them of test status and consider them an International side until they set themselves up.

Could you let us all know what the difference is?

Tests are recognised within the game's history and are given more respect. There is also an exclusive arrangement between the sides and the players.

Yes, I know a Test side represents a member of the RLIF, which is essentially like the Easter Show where everybody gets a prize, but it's a joke and my argument is these sides aren't ready for this responsibility just yet. Some sides admittedly are more prepared than others and I've made that point.

So just dump them and in 10 years give them another crack and hope for the best eh?

And here you are being melodramatic again. No, have them play more games, keep developing them and when they're ready grant them Test status.