Kangaroos Team Vs New Zealand

[ParraEelsNRL]

The nation has to prove itself stable before it can receive that kind of recognition.

France still has some ways to go to do that.

Bullshit.

If France aren't stable, what the hell are the Kiwis seeing as their local comp is crap compared to them?

If we went your way, England Cricket a decade ago wouldn't have had Test status because they struggled against teams like Zimbabwe and the like.

It makes no bloody sense at all.

I hate using Union, but where would Italy be now if the IRB threw them out when they couldn't beat an egg in the 6 nations for near 2 decades?

There's still 6 nations teams that haven't beaten the ALL Blacks ever and have been smashed, should they have their test status revoked?

 

[typicalfan]

Any team that plays regular and consistent competition or plays at the highest competitions with the top 3 sides deservess to be called a test nation.

But in Rugby League the word test is interchangable with international. A little different from cricket. I don't mind calling a match between Serbia and Scotland a test.

 

[Big Pete]

If France aren't stable, what the hell are the Kiwis seeing as their local comp is crap compared to them?

Four Nations and World Cup Champs. France couldn't even make the Four Nations.

If we went your way, England Cricket a decade ago wouldn't have had Test status because they struggled against teams like Zimbabwe and the like.

Were they on the brink like the French were and have 30 years of poor performances?

Find me something like that, and I'd tell you they deserved to have their test status revoked.

I will go back on an earlier point. While I don't believe they deserve their Test status, it's too late to strip them of it. Other nations should lose it though.

I agree with flamin and that's how I've basically viewed this situation.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Four Nations and World Cup Champs. France couldn't even make the Four Nations.



Were they on the brink like the French were and have 30 years of poor performances?

Find me something like that, and I'd tell you they deserved to have their test status revoked.

I will go back on an earlier point. While I don't believe they deserve their Test status, it's too late to strip them of it. Other nations should lose it though.

I agree with firey and that's how I've basically viewed this situation.

Australia couldn't beat GBI in a series for 30 years, should they have had their test status revoked?

GBI haven't beaten Australia in a test series for near 40 years now, should they have their test status revoked?

 

[Big Pete]

Australia couldn't beat GBI in a series for 30 years, should they have had their test status revoked?

GBI haven't beaten Australia in a test series for near 40 years now, should they have their test status revoked?

Yet they've actually beaten the best team in the world a number of times and have never been in as much trouble as France.

Keep trying.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Yet they've actually beaten the best team in the world a number of times and have never been in as much trouble as France.

Keep trying.

So, France has beaten England and NZ in the last 20 years and went close not long ago, why should they get dumped?

And for keep tying, you're the one digging the hole.

You have not proved why they shouldn't have test status, all you have done is say they haven't beat Australia or move the posts somewhere else, yet you didn't answer anything in regards to NZ's local comp did you?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

http://www.rlef.eu.com/rlef/membership

RLEF (more or less RLIF) states.

Membership
According to the constitution of the Rugby League European Federation (RLEF) there are two categories of Membership: Full and Affiliate.

In addition to these categories the RLEF also ranks Observers, as an entry level category.

A Member of the RLEF is the organisation recognised by the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) as the body responsible for the regulation and/or control of the game of Rugby League in that country.

There may only be one National Governing Body (NGB). An Observer is recognised by the RLEF.

A recognised country will need to demonstrate the following criteria:

The country is a territory distinguished by its people, culture and geography

The country will be able to demonstrate that it has its own flag and government and that it has complete autonomy over sport within its defined area

The country is recognised by the United Nations (UN) or is recognized as a country within a country which is a member of the UN

The Board of the RLEF is satisfied that the applicant will be of benefit to the RLEF and its Membership


FULL MEMBER

To achieve this status a Member should:

Have a current approved constitution lodged with the RLEF which shows detailed evidence of governance, membership, elections, meetings and arrangements for dissolution

Complete and submit to the RLEF annual accounts for at least 12 months prior to application

Publish and lodge with the RLEF annual reports for at least two years prior to approval

Be able to demonstrate the financial stability of the organisation

Operate with a bank account in the name of the Federation with at least two signatories on the account. The two signatories must be drawn from the currently elected Board (EG Chair, Treasurer, Vice Chair)

Operationally, conduct regular Rugby League Competitions within the country – Competition is defined as a league competition played under International Laws of Rugby League over a minimum of a 10 week period. In addition:
(a) Minimum 8 senior teams
(b) Minimum 4 reserve/U21/Student grade teams
(c) At least 500 registered participants (players, coaches and match officials)
(d) A registered office and admin
(e) At least a 6 team Junior RL and/or School (Under 18) competition
(f) Coach Education Scheme approved by the RLEF
(g) Referees Accreditation Scheme approved by the RLEF
(h) Approved international programme at various levels which must include full international and may in addition include “A” International, Student International, Junior (Under 18) International. All at male or female

Members may be able to source revenue from the above activity by way of fees.

This can be extended to include registration fees, sponsorship, government grants, gate and canteen receipts and RLEF grants where applicable.

An approved Development Plan, correctly resourced with annual reports lodged with the RLEF


AFFILIATE MEMBERSHIP

Have a current approved constitution lodged with the RLEF which shows detailed evidence of governance, membership, elections, meetings and arrangements for dissolution.

Complete and submit to the RLEF audited annual accounts for at least 12 months prior to application, where possible.

Operate with a bank account in the name of the Federation with at least two signatories on the account.

Conduct regular Rugby League competitions with:
a) Minimum four senior teams
b) At least 250 registered participants
c) Evidence that a youth or junior development programme is in place
c) A registered office and administration
d) Have an approved international programme at any eligible level
g) Access to coach and match official education via an RLEF approved scheme


OBSERVER

The Board of the RLEF may at its discretion admit a country to Observer status based upon a completed application which will include the following:

Constitution correctly signed and approved

Bank account with at least two signatories drawn from the Board of the applicant

A list of the interested parties together with contact details, position within the organisation and a brief biography of the Board Members

A Development Plan for the following 12 month period

Membership / Observer status is subject to annual review.

Members may be put on 6 months notice of suspension or reduction in status if the RLEF feels that the criteria are not being maintained.

Notice will be in writing and will clearly state the areas for improvement. In order to assist the monitoring process all members are required to lodge their annual audited accounts and notes from their Annual General Meeting with the RLEF.

So tell me, where do France fall short?

 

[Big Pete]

NZ compete in the best competition in the game and draw the majority of the players from that comp.

How many French players play in the second rate comp.?

And that's my issue, the RLIF is way too lenient with awarding sides Test status.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

NZ compete in the best competition in the game and draw the majority of the players from that comp.

That's your opinion, plenty of poms would say their comp is better.

So, where's NZ's domestic comp and what standard is it at and how many teams are participating in said local domestic comp?

How many French players play in the second rate comp.?

Plenty play in the ESL comp, they even have a local team in it backed up by a growing and thriving local domestic comp back in France. (has NZ got this)

And it's only your opinion that it's second rate and your true colours are finally shinning through ;-)

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

And that's my issue, the RLIF is way too lenient with awarding sides Test status.

Really, so with a local comp with 10x the teams needed than what the RLEF state, a full structure for internationals from u16's up with male and female teams, sponsorship, gate takings, tv newspaper radio exposure and all the other shit that goes with it, you still are of the belief that they aren't worthy :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Big Pete]

That's your opinion, plenty of poms would say their comp is better.

Majority would say the NRL is better.

So, where's NZ's domestic comp and what standard is it at and how many teams are participating in said local domestic comp?

I've already explained they compete in the NRL and have teams set up in the NYC and NSWRL. There is also a national comp. which I'm sure you're aware of. I wouldn't know, I don't keep tabs on it. I doubt you do.

Plenty play in the ESL comp, they even have a local team in it backed up by a growing and thriving local domestic comp back in France. (has NZ got this)

Have they got a spot in the Four Nations? :lol: Thriving, it sure shows doesn't it?

And it's only your opinion that it's second rate and your true colours are finally shinning through ;-)

It's the majorities.

 

[Big Pete]

Really, so with a local comp with 10x the teams needed than what the RLEF state, a full structure for internationals from u16's up with male and female teams, sponsorship, gate takings, tv newspaper radio exposure and all the other shit that goes with it, you still are of the belief that they aren't worthy :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

They got to keep it up, at the moment, they aren't fit to compete and they've proven this. Where are they? Why aren't they in the Four Nations? Weren't good enough? That's a shame, maybe if they were an International side and had more players to choose from they'd actually be able to grow faster.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Majority would say the NRL is better.

That's your opinion, you can't possible prove this.

I've already explained they compete in the NRL and have teams set up in the NYC and NSWRL. There is also a national comp. which I'm sure you're aware of. I wouldn't know, I don't keep tabs on it. I doubt you do.

Hardly anyone keeps tabs on it because it's more or less nothing.

Have they got a spot in the Four Nations? :lol: Thriving, it sure shows doesn't it?

They played in the last 4 nations held in Europe, this time they missed out by 1 point in the final when they used all LER players against a Welsh side filled with local and SL players.

Maybe they took it for granted that their locals would win.

It's the majorities.

According to you, there's plenty of places that receive SL coverage and no NRL coverage, these people wouldn't have a clue, and there's plenty of people at pom sites that think the SL comp is way better than the NRL. Heck, one of the pom sites is bigger than LU and they are always complaining about US Aussies and our so-called superiority complex when it comes to both comps.

They see the NRL as way to defensive for a start.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

They got to keep it up, at the moment, they aren't fit to compete and they've proven this. Where are they? Why aren't they in the Four Nations? Weren't good enough? That's a shame, maybe if they were an International side and had more players to choose from they'd actually be able to grow faster.

What, you mean they need to keep it up just like they have since 1934? :lol:

As I said, the Frogs used domestic players last year and it backfired, they'll learn from that mistake and not go into another comp being arrogant.

 

[Big Pete]

I don't care how they see how our game, just because it isn't as entertaining doesn't mean it's not of a higher quality.

Hardly anyone keeps tabs on it because it's more or less nothing.

And it's not really relevant to this discussion when the Kiwis have more avenues than the French.

They played in the last 4 nations held in Europe, this time they missed out by 1 point in the final when they used all LER players against a Welsh side filled with local and SL players.

Maybe they took it for granted that their locals would win.

So in the end, they weren't good enough to compete in a major comp.

My point exactly.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I don't care how they see how our game, just because it isn't as entertaining doesn't mean it's not of a higher quality.

So why bring it up? :lol:

And again with your personal opinion.

And it's not really relevant to this discussion when the Kiwis have more avenues than the French.

But you have been the one going on about who deserves to be in and who doesn't. Just because you have been shown that everything it not so rosy in NZ, you don't think it worthy, yet the RLEF and RLIF do, so it is relevant to what we are debating.

So in the end, they weren't good enough to compete in a major comp.

I bet if they played right now and the winner made it through, I know who my money would be on.

My point exactly.

You have not made a point in this thread.

I asked you about other sports and if they should have dumped certain teams and you ignored it.

I showed you that France fills every criteria they have to and they fill every one of them many times over. Yet it's still not good enough.

Outside of winning games against the big 3 regularly, where do France fall down because as I said, 1 team wins and 1 team loses, it shouldn't matter if they lose 200 games in a row, if they fullfill every criteria, they deserve Test status.

 

[biggestbroncosfan]

It's obvious that Big Pete has no idea about the game in France. As ParraEels said they have the Catalans playing in SL and a decent semi pro league. What is needed is a full time professional comp within the next 10 years. In the short term it would be a better idea to getting big city teams- Paris, Lyon, Montpellier, Toulouse and getting them in Super League. BP, How do you expect them to become a 'Test Nation' if you are taking away these big matches vs Australia, NZ and England away from them?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

It's obvious that Big Pete has no idea about the game in France. As ParraEels said they have the Catalans playing in SL and a decent semi pro league. What is needed is a full time professional comp within the next 10 years. In the short term it would be a better idea to getting big city teams- Paris, Lyon, Montpellier, Toulouse and getting them in Super League. BP, How do you expect them to become a 'Test Nation' if you are taking away these big matches vs Australia, NZ and England away from them?

It doesn't matter, the RL fairy will come along one day and they'll get to play a game against one of the big three and smash them because you don't need experience, all you need is that magic RL fairy dust :crazy:

 

[roughyedspud]

just to clear up a thing or 2....


most "poms" would say the NRL is better....but ESL is better to watch........and alot of "convicts" on here would agree with ESL being better to watch.....


anyway...carry on :lol:

 

[Big Pete]

It's obvious that Big Pete has no idea about the game in France. As ParraEels said they have the Catalans playing in SL and a decent semi pro league. What is needed is a full time professional comp within the next 10 years. In the short term it would be a better idea to getting big city teams- Paris, Lyon, Montpellier, Toulouse and getting them in Super League. BP, How do you expect them to become a 'Test Nation' if you are taking away these big matches vs Australia, NZ and England away from them?

I'm not taking away these big games.

They just won't be considered official tests, just International games. That's my entire point.