Kearney

[Joshuatheeel]

Maybe it aren't all Kearney fault obviously he is doing a lot in fixing up our junior system according to reports but this would take a lot if time. Look at our management structure Kearney doesn't really have anyone with nrl experience it is basically reporting to bob I believe. This could be causing problems look at penrith they are trying to do the same as the eels eg rebuild their squad , fix up their junior system but they have two very experienced operators in Gould and clearly in changed. I know Kearney has been offered an assistant coach but this was at the later stages and this role is different to a footy general manager or coaching director . Maybe our inexperienced board when appointing kearney did not put the correct management structure in place to support the nrl side. And osbourne was never that experienced in a gm role when he took over.

 

[bartman]

You can't talk to Escobar like that. Suitman will be up you any minute now.

:lol:

 

[Kornstar]

I would like something explained.......

We keep hearing that there are deep seeded issues etc. it ISN'T the board, it ISN'T the coach or the staff BUT it IS the players.......

So the players who can only be the deep seeded issues are Hindy, Burt & Shack as he has re-signed too many of the others to be deep seeded issues.

Now Burt is employed with the club next year, so he can't be the problem. Shack has been here just over 2 years, so he is not the deep seeded issue.

So Hindy is the deep seeded issue and next year everything will be great. Therefore, the board should be confident next year is great and should extend Kearney's contract now.

Apart from the players, because they may have longer contracts etc. EVERYTHING else is in the clubs control to take care of. So what are these deep seeded issues that were WORSE than super coach first thought????

Maybe it is Haynes's influence and they would rather move the coach on as opposed to our best player?

The fact is he improved the squad from last year and they are playing worse. He is 18 months into putting the new structures in place but it was harder than they thought, why? Someone explain it to me?

After 18 months we should be seeing something, surely? We are seeing a steady decline......but it is only the players fault?

 

[Casper The Ghost]

I would like something explained.......

We keep hearing that there are deep seeded issues etc. it ISN'T the board, it ISN'T the coach or the staff BUT it IS the players.......

So the players who can only be the deep seeded issues are Hindy, Burt & Shack as he has re-signed too many of the others to be deep seeded issues.

Now Burt is employed with the club next year, so he can't be the problem. Shack has been here just over 2 years, so he is not the deep seeded issue.

So Hindy is the deep seeded issue and next year everything will be great. Therefore, the board should be confident next year is great and should extend Kearney's contract now.

Apart from the players, because they may have longer contracts etc. EVERYTHING else is in the clubs control to take care of. So what are these deep seeded issues that were WORSE than super coach first thought????

Maybe it is Haynes's influence and they would rather move the coach on as opposed to our best player?

The fact is he improved the squad from last year and they are playing worse. He is 18 months into putting the new structures in place but it was harder than they thought, why? Someone explain it to me?

After 18 months we should be seeing something, surely? We are seeing a steady decline......but it is only the players fault?

Great post Kornstar.
Enjoy reading your posts.

 

[Eels Dude]

Maybe it aren't all Kearney fault obviously he is doing a lot in fixing up our junior system according to reports but this would take a lot if time. Look at our management structure Kearney doesn't really have anyone with nrl experience it is basically reporting to bob I believe. This could be causing problems look at penrith they are trying to do the same as the eels eg rebuild their squad , fix up their junior system but they have two very experienced operators in Gould and clearly in changed. I know Kearney has been offered an assistant coach but this was at the later stages and this role is different to a footy general manager or coaching director . Maybe our inexperienced board when appointing kearney did not put the correct management structure in place to support the nrl side. And osbourne was never that experienced in a gm role when he took over.

I agree with a most of this. I've said in posts myself we'd be a lot better if we had a proper CEO with football experience who can advise and work with Kearney. Instead we have Bob Bentley whom from what I can understand hired himself for the job.

The thing against Kearney though Joshua, is that he was asked if he wanted assistance or help 5 or 6 weeks ago to take some of the pressure of him and he refused it. By rejecting that offer he has to live or die by the sword and if he gets punted in the next couple of weeks he only has himself to blame.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Good post Kornstar. I don't know either.

 

[TheParraboy]

I would like something explained.......

We keep hearing that there are deep seeded issues etc. it ISN'T the board, it ISN'T the coach or the staff BUT it IS the players.......

So the players who can only be the deep seeded issues are Hindy, Burt & Shack as he has re-signed too many of the others to be deep seeded issues.

Now Burt is employed with the club next year, so he can't be the problem. Shack has been here just over 2 years, so he is not the deep seeded issue.

So Hindy is the deep seeded issue and next year everything will be great. Therefore, the board should be confident next year is great and should extend Kearney's contract now.

Apart from the players, because they may have longer contracts etc. EVERYTHING else is in the clubs control to take care of. So what are these deep seeded issues that were WORSE than super coach first thought????

Maybe it is Haynes's influence and they would rather move the coach on as opposed to our best player?

The fact is he improved the squad from last year and they are playing worse. He is 18 months into putting the new structures in place but it was harder than they thought, why? Someone explain it to me?

After 18 months we should be seeing something, surely? We are seeing a steady decline......but it is only the players fault?

Great post mate

Fruitcake Pou Pou will come on here now for his customary "SK is still employed so that means he is doing a great job" waffle....

 

[Poupou Escobar]

our club just head-hunted a guy solely for the sake he was the assistant coach of the Melbourne Storm.

That's very simplistic mate, and really says more about you than it does about the people you're disparaging.

If you watched less bullshit from Hollywood and read less tabloid media you wouldn't think all people in power were complete idiots.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Actually yes, that's right. Source: http://www.loverugbyleague.com/news_9304-anderson-enjoying-time-away-from-coaching.html

But you'd know better, wouldn't you Pou... you useless clueless merkin!

Not just me. Anderson knows it too:

On the way home I was listening to Talkin Sport and heard Daniel Anderson being interviewed. He mostly spoke about the upcoming expats game with the English which he is coaching, later he was asked by Brett Papworth if he would like to coach in the NRL again?

Anderson replied, "Never say never but I am a realist and that window of opportunity has probably closed."

 

[yy_cheng]

You can't talk to Escobar like that. Suitman will be up you any minute now.

So suity's poops bitch?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I would like something explained.......

We keep hearing that there are deep seeded issues etc. it ISN'T the board, it ISN'T the coach or the staff BUT it IS the players.......

Mate, it could be any of them.

The reason some of us make a point of blaming the players is because some of you tragics blame the board and the coach but the players are f**king blameless.

Because some of you hero worship the players, you think they can do no wrong. Sack the coach, overthrow the board, but the players are all f**king legends. :roll:

 

[Bigfella]

Avlot of niff nuffs declared this a great post. Its not.

I would like something explained.......

We keep hearing that there are deep seeded (not the word you want) issues etc. it ISN'T the board, it ISN'T the coach or the staff BUT it IS the players.......(inaccurate and self serving statement. People who have referred fo a losing culture are describing ingrained attitudes, performances, systems, training methods, selection, recruitment, retention,salary cap management, accountability. People who claim that questioning the culture is equivalent to stoning sacred cows in players are disingenuous f**kwits who want to blame the new coach because its easier than admitting thst weve f**ked things up for too long).

So the players who can only be the deep seeded issues are Hindy, Burt & Shack as he has re-signed too many of the others to be deep seeded issues.(This is a lie on a lie. Starts with a false assumption and begins another. The players alone are not the only cause. Even if they were it is false logic that only three players have been singled out; and that they are the only ones not signed by kearney; or that the inherited salary cap structure doesnt restrain who he retains and/ or signs)

Now Burt is employed with the club next year, so he can't be the problem (this is a non seqitur. He is not signed to play next year. His employment with the club is a reward for his loyalty and not a recognition or measure of his playing ability or whether he is a part of any losing culture. A simple objective measure of how much we have won during his time at the club might sway some people as to whether he could be). Shack has been here just over 2 years, so he is not the deep seeded issue (a false statement. A player who is overoaid and underperforms and who displays an unermining attitude is certainly capable of reflecting a losing culture no matter what period of time served.. He is half way through his third year).

So Hindy is the deep seeded issue and next year everything will be great (the ultimate false proposition based on previhous fakse premises and containung two further false premises but also calculated to garner cheap sentimental opposition because it is falsely accusing the opposing school of thought as being anti-hindmarsh) Therefore, the board should be confident next year is great and should extend Kearney's contract now.

Apart from the players, because they may have longer contracts etc. EVERYTHING else is in the clubs control to take care of. So what are these deep seeded issues that were WORSE than super coach first thought????

Maybe it is Haynes's influence and they would rather move the coach on as opposed to our best player?

The fact is he improved the squad from last year and they are playing worse. He is 18 months into putting the new structures in place but it was harder than they thought, why? Someone explain it to me?

After 18 months we should be seeing something, surely? We are seeing a steady decline......but it is only the players fault?

 

[Eelementary]

I would like something explained.......

We keep hearing that there are deep seeded issues etc. it ISN'T the board, it ISN'T the coach or the staff BUT it IS the players.......

So the players who can only be the deep seeded issues are Hindy, Burt & Shack as he has re-signed too many of the others to be deep seeded issues.

Now Burt is employed with the club next year, so he can't be the problem. Shack has been here just over 2 years, so he is not the deep seeded issue.

So Hindy is the deep seeded issue and next year everything will be great. Therefore, the board should be confident next year is great and should extend Kearney's contract now.

Apart from the players, because they may have longer contracts etc. EVERYTHING else is in the clubs control to take care of. So what are these deep seeded issues that were WORSE than super coach first thought????

Maybe it is Haynes's influence and they would rather move the coach on as opposed to our best player?

The fact is he improved the squad from last year and they are playing worse. He is 18 months into putting the new structures in place but it was harder than they thought, why? Someone explain it to me?

After 18 months we should be seeing something, surely? We are seeing a steady decline......but it is only the players fault?

I never suggested it was only the players' fault.

But Kearney is on a hiding to nothing in many ways - he only has a small squad and salary cap to play with (compared to other sports), and so if he makes mass changes it comes with trouble. Conversely, if he makes no changes, eyebrows are raised. But I digress.

It's no secret athletes are petulant and arrogant. Have you ever considered:

* what effect it has on team morale when Burt refuses to compete for a bomb (as an example) - he's highly regarded by many, and nobody in an official capacity criticises him, yet how would his teammates feel?

* whilst Hindmarsh's grumpy old man routine is exaggerated by the media, there is truth to it- we've all seen it. He's a legend and gives 100% every week, but he's grouchy. As skipper, have you considered the flow-on effects? How did the way Cayless retired impact him?

* Jarryd Hayne is the best player in the State. Yet there is a perception of him as a spoilt brat. How would his teammates feel seeing him play the ball slowly after a tackle, for instance?

Let me be clear: I am not solely blaming the players. It's a team sport, and everyone is letting us down. But this playing group is not happy, and, in some instances, hasn't been for some time. This takes time to resolve, and it requires a certain skill set. Nobody is happy losing - but do these blokes play for each other? Based on the available evidence, I'd say no...

In a few quotes this year you also have certain players saying statements of the ilk, "If we do what we're supposed to do, we'll be competitive." I find this worrying.

Having the old guard retire will not solve all our problems. All I wish to see is player unity and players accepting responsibility - it's not their positions in the team constantly being threatened (with Poore and Shackleton being exceptions).

 

[yy_cheng]

I never suggested it was only the players' fault.

But Kearney is on a hiding to nothing in many ways - he only has a small squad and salary cap to play with (compared to other sports), and so if he makes mass changes it comes with trouble. Conversely, if he makes no changes, eyebrows are raised. But I digress.

It's no secret athletes are petulant and arrogant. Have you ever considered:

* what effect it has on team morale when Burt refuses to compete for a bomb (as an example) - he's highly regarded by many, and nobody in an official capacity criticises him, yet how would his teammates feel?

* whilst Hindmarsh's grumpy old man routine is exaggerated by the media, there is truth to it- we've all seen it. He's a legend and gives 100% every week, but he's grouchy. As skipper, have you considered the flow-on effects? How did the way Cayless retired impact him?

* Jarryd Hayne is the best player in the State. Yet there is a perception of him as a spoilt brat. How would his teammates feel seeing him play the ball slowly after a tackle, for instance?

Let me be clear: I am not solely blaming the players. It's a team sport, and everyone is letting us down. But this playing group is not happy, and, in some instances, hasn't been for some time. This takes time to resolve, and it requires a certain skill set. Nobody is happy losing - but do these blokes play for each other? Based on the available evidence, I'd say no...

In a few quotes this year you also have certain players saying statements of the ilk, "If we do what we're supposed to do, we'll be competitive." I find this worrying.

Having the old guard retire will not solve all our problems. All I wish to see is player unity and players accepting responsibility - it's not their positions in the team constantly being threatened (with Poore and Shackleton being exceptions).

If the coach has identities that these are issues he should drop them and not bring them back. If he is not tough enough then he wears it. the coach picks the team

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Great posts, Bigfella and Eelementary.

 

[Gronk]

Kearney sweating over two matches

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BY:STUART HONEYSETT

• From:The Australian
• June 23, 2012 12:00AM

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FOR Parramatta captain Nathan Hindmarsh the next fortnight could determine whether the club finishes with its first wooden spoon in 40 years.​

For coach Stephen Kearney it could determine if he has a future at the Eels past this season.
Hindmarsh and Kearney fronted the media yesterday before tonight's match against Penrith at Centrebet Stadium. Next Saturday night at Parramatta Stadium they face Newcastle without star fullback Jarryd Hayne, who will be on duty with the Blues.
For Kearney the pressure is mounting. The Eels coach has been subject to speculation all season about whether he will see out his contract, which expires at the end of next year.
Blues coach Ricky Stuart is apparently waiting in the wings while the club has also been linked to Sydney Roosters Toyota Cup coach Jason Taylor.
Consecutive losses to the Panthers and Knights, who are just clear of the Eels on the table, would surely seal Kearney's fate. But he wasn't showing the pressure yesterday.
"I'm not in a position to say that and I'm not going to speculate or focus on what my future is," Kearney said. "My future is to prepare the lads as best as possible and my focus is on that.
"The focus for me is not Newcastle next week. I'm making sure we have a good training run today and a real solid performance tomorrow night."
Hindmarsh said he was also unaware of Kearney's fate hinging on the next fortnight but said if it was correct, it wouldn't be fair.
"You're asking the wrong person," Hindmarsh said. "Who knows? I don't think it should. (But they're) very crucial.
"I think Penrith and Newcastle will be thinking about the same thing playing against us. There are opportunities for all three sides to try and do something and we just hope it's going to be us."
Hindmarsh said it was hard not to start thinking about the wooden spoon (the club has not finished last since 1972) even though there are still 11 weeks to go.
The Eels have managed only two wins this season and have had both byes to leave them anchored in last position on eight points (the Panthers and Knights are on 10 points but have a bye to come).
"It's getting to that point but it's about trying to get a bit of a roll on as well," Hindmarsh said.
"I think we can be that nuisance team. There's nothing wrong with that tag. I don't mind it. At least other teams are thinking about us that we're not going to be a walk in the park."
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/kearney-sweating-over-two-matches/story-fnca0von-1226405977140​

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[strider]

* what effect it has on team morale when Burt refuses to compete for a bomb (as an example) - he's highly regarded by many, and nobody in an official capacity criticises him, yet how would his teammates feel?

you can't be serious ... linking not contesting a few kicks to some deep seated culture :lol:

I wish people would get over this obsession with Burt not going for kicks

fact is, he is no different to other players in the NRL - he goes for them if they are inside the 10m and leaves them outside that - SAME HAPPENS EVERYWHERE IN THE NRL THESE DAYS .... watch some f'n games people!!!

It is a well known and well used strategy to NOT contest the high ball these days unless it is coming down near the goalline .... lots of teams won't contest further out and other players in the parra team won't contest it also ...... infact I'd go so far as to say coaches discourage contesting a bomb if it is not in the danger zone.

Burt contests them in or around the goalline - perhaps he isn't very good at it, but that's a whole different story .... he made a great catch in the early minutes of the dragons game, but conveniently no one mentioned it cos it is cooler to lay shit on him and pretend he never tries t catch anything these days

 

[oldmancraigy]

you can't be serious ... linking not contesting a few kicks to some deep seated culture :lol:

I wish people would get over this obsession with Burt not going for kicks

fact is, he is no different to other players in the NRL - he goes for them if they are inside the 10m and leaves them outside that - SAME HAPPENS EVERYWHERE IN THE NRL THESE DAYS .... watch some f'n games people!!!

It is a well known and well used strategy to NOT contest the high ball these days unless it is coming down near the goalline .... lots of teams won't contest further out and other players in the parra team won't contest it also ...... infact I'd go so far as to say coaches discourage contesting a bomb if it is not in the danger zone.

Burt contests them in or around the goalline - perhaps he isn't very good at it, but that's a whole different story .... he made a great catch in the early minutes of the dragons game, but conveniently no one mentioned it cos it is cooler to lay shit on him and pretend he never tries t catch anything these days

And Burt contested both bombs they kicked at him in the win over Cronulla. It made a huuuuge difference to the overall game!

But on the whole he just doesn't attempt them if there is the slimmest chance that an opposition player might be in the vicinity. Don't try and defend it or say that it's just like everyone else, because it simply isn't. He'd have to be the worst bomb diffuser in the NRL by a long way.


You can't just blame Burt for that: if I was coach I would've told him that if he doesn't jump, he doesn't play. SK is obviously ok with Burt standing around watching the opposition jump, catch and fall over the line for a try.
Ultimately, if players are doing ridiculously bad things over and over, then either they are being coached to actually DO IT, or the coach doesn't have the manhood to take a stand on the issue.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I suppose, in response to Eelementary and Bigfella's posts I would ask this:

IF there is some long term losing culture, that's all well and good to change.
But how come SK has accentuated the losing part to make it worse than it has ever been before?

 

[Gronk]

Geeze the remaining Amigos are still hard at it. Discrediting Ando when required and positioning some of our legends as the fall guys.

Hey maybe we'll be sitting here in a years time, well placed on the table with our new winning culture and SK manning the wheel.

I will be the first to post in their "Deathriders, I told you so" thread. Looking forward to it.