La Liga

[langpark]

Best pic to come out of this match:

 

[Bulldog Force]

Damn that Clasico man. That was our chance to draw level with Madrid on 88 each, but no, they had to draw. Now Madrid continue to lead 88-87, and now there have been 47 draws. I don't know what it is, but a draw in El Clasico has a very empty feeling about it!

 

[Big Sam]

Real Madrid And FC Barcelona Earn Most From Kit Deals

Published October 10, 2012

ManU and Liverpool have "the most-lucrative kit supplier deals in the Premier League this season," according to Harris & Miller of SPORTINGINTELLIGENCE. ManU and Liverpool earn a guaranteed £25.4M ($40.6M) and £25M ($40M), respectively from Nike and Warrior -- but still trail the sums earned by Spanish giants Real Madrid and Barcelona." Real’s deal with adidas, which lasts until '20, is worth a guaranteed £31M ($49M) per year, while Barcelona’s deal with Nike is worth £27M ($43M). These figures come from new research veteran analyst Peter Rohlmann and his team at the consulting bureau, PR Marketing (SPORTINGINTELLIGENCE, 10/8).

Top 10 Kit Supplier Deals In Europe By Annual Value* To Clubs
Club Supplier Start-Until Renewed Value/Year
1. Real Madrid adidas 1998-2020 2012 $49M
2. FC Barcelona Nike 1998-2018 2008 $43M
3. Manchester United Nike 2002-15 N/A $41M
4. Liverpool FC Warrior 2012-15 N/A $40M
5. Chelsea FC adidas 2006-18 2011 $32M
6. Bayern Munich adidas 1966-2020 2012 $26M
7. Inter Milan Nike 1998-2019 2009 $24M
8. Manchester City Nike 2013-19 N/A $19M
9. AC Milan adidas 1998-2017 2007 $19M
10. Juventus Nike 2003-16 N/A $17M
*Minimum guaranteed annual value regardless of sales.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Global/Issues/2012/10/10/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/Kit-Deals.aspx

Where's Dunniesman now? Talks about RM and FCB going bust but Arsenlol isn't even on this list.

Also impressive stuff from Bayern. 46 years running with the one supplier. Surely a record in world sport?

 

[WireMan]

There's no money in Argentina. Most American's are poor as well.

BunniesMan dickriding Lebron and the Heat while most American's are poor then jumping on Barca/Real is hilarious.

Lol @ the Anglophile coming in here and peddling mistruths. Spain's debt as a proportion of GDP is far less than the UK's but I don't see you saying the UK and PL are about to implode.

Worst case scenario, they'll sell out to the Yanks/Arabs/Russians like every PL club has already done.

I prefer to look at the current situation from a different angle - what if Catalunya gained independence from Spain as a result of the debt crisis? What would happen to Barca then? Would they stay in a new Catalan league or still play in another country's league like Swansea and Cardiff currently do?

Whilst i'm sure you two think what you said was clever it really wasn't.

What mistruths? Everything Bunnies said was true.

Spain is struggling, unemployment is at 25%.

The first effect is the 'Beckham tax' has been scrapped so foreigners have to pay a lot more tax. When you pay people net that is a big problem and will effect Real Madrid quite badly.

Next when you have the Madrid government bailing out Madrid and Barca needing a loan to pay wages at a time when Spanish banks are totally screwed could have an effect.


Its got nothing to do with the premier league, England or Argentina.



Barcelona would stay in La Liga.

 

[Bulldog Force]

Whilst i'm sure you two think what you said was clever it really wasn't.

What mistruths? Everything Bunnies said was true.

Spain is struggling, unemployment is at 25%.

The first effect is the 'Beckham tax' has been scrapped so foreigners have to pay a lot more tax. When you pay people net that is a big problem and will effect Real Madrid quite badly.

Next when you have the Madrid government bailing out Madrid and Barca needing a loan to pay wages at a time when Spanish banks are totally screwed could have an effect.


Its got nothing to do with the premier league, England or Argentina.



Barcelona would stay in La Liga.

On top of all that is Spains killer tax rate - 44%.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Why did the soap dodger quote me lol riding my nuts as always.

I was pointing out he's a hypocrite not that he was wrong.

 

[BunniesMan]

There's no money in Argentina. Most American's are poor as well.

BunniesMan dickriding Lebron and the Heat while most American's are poor then jumping on Barca/Real is hilarious.

Americas economy is f**ked compared to ours, but compared to Spain the US has streets paved in gold.

Lol @ the Anglophile coming in here and peddling mistruths. Spain's debt as a proportion of GDP is far less than the UK's but I don't see you saying the UK and PL are about to implode.

Worst case scenario, they'll sell out to the Yanks/Arabs/Russians like every PL club has already done.

I prefer to look at the current situation from a different angle - what if Catalunya gained independence from Spain as a result of the debt crisis? What would happen to Barca then? Would they stay in a new Catalan league or still play in another country's league like Swansea and Cardiff currently do?

The UK doesn't have the threat of civil war hanging over it. It has less than half the unemployment that Spain has.

Spain isn't far from being as bad as Greece. If it gets that bad I see Basque and Catalonia moving towards independence and I see Spain entering into a civil war on two fronts.

FFS Barcelona and Madrid might not even be in the same country a decade from now.

And beyond the direct affect on those two, the smaller clubs in Spain will be the most affected. The ones that need jersey sales and ticket sales to get by week to week. If those fall over one by one Real and Barca will be playing each other every week.

So picture a potential scenario 10 years from now. Barcelona is the capital of its own independent country. Spain has lost 1/3 of it's territory. Many of todays La Liga clubs are dead.

Can Barcelona and Spain remain the clubs they are today.

The future of these clubs is not as clearcut as you would think.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Dick riding hypocrite.

 

[Big Sam]

What mistruths? Everything Bunnies said was true.

Spain is struggling, unemployment is at 25%.

The first effect is the 'Beckham tax' has been scrapped so foreigners have to pay a lot more tax. When you pay people net that is a big problem and will effect Real Madrid quite badly.

Next when you have the Madrid government bailing out Madrid and Barca needing a loan to pay wages at a time when Spanish banks are totally screwed could have an effect.

It's an entire mistruth what BM said because public debt and unemployment levels do not directly effect football clubs such as Real Madrid and Barcelona. Both clubs' supporter bases are relatively better off than the average Spaniard so crowds and socio renewals will not be negatively effected.

You however do have a point regarding the banks. A collapse of the Spanish banks would create short-term cash problems and cause some trouble. However I'm sure both clubs would seek replacement funding from banks in the Middle East or China.

As for the removal of the Beckham Law, Madrid is only really affected. Barca have a lot of Spanish players and in the case of Messi and (I think) Alves, players that hold dual citizenship.

On top of all that is Spains killer tax rate - 44%.

Britain's top tax rate is 45%. France's 75%.

And anyway I don't think tax rates really matter. The cynic in me has always thought that all the top players have offshore accounts to reduce their tax load.

 

[Big Sam]

Spain isn't far from being as bad as Greece. If it gets that bad I see Basque and Catalonia moving towards independence and I see Spain entering into a civil war on two fronts.

Civil war?! :lol: FMD that's such an ignorant prediction. And before you say they had a civil war in the 30s, do some research on why that happened and let me know how in any way it is similar to the Spain of 2012.

And beyond the direct affect on those two, the smaller clubs in Spain will be the most affected. The ones that need jersey sales and ticket sales to get by week to week. If those fall over one by one Real and Barca will be playing each other every week.

The other 18 clubs are have been performing financially poorly for the last 10 years because of the broadcast deal that favours the big 2, yet none of them have majorly collapsed like for example Portsmouth and Leeds did.

Anyway as for the notion of clubs going bankrupt, are you familiar with the bankruptcy law in Spain?

Also let me say I've found it quite humourous how someone who hasn't even been outside Coffs Harbour is trying to lecture me on the state of Spanish football and the Spanish economy. Mate I've been to Spain several times in the last 2 years and have friends there with whom I communicate regularly.

 

[BunniesMan]

Civil war?! :lol: FMD that's such an ignorant prediction. And before you say they had a civil war in the 30s, do some research on why that happened and let me know how in any way it is similar to the Spain of 2012.



The other 18 clubs are have been performing financially poorly for the last 10 years because of the broadcast deal that favours the big 2, yet none of them have majorly collapsed like for example Portsmouth and Leeds did.

Anyway as for the notion of clubs going bankrupt, are you familiar with the bankruptcy law in Spain?

Also let me say I've found it quite humourous how someone who hasn't even been outside Coffs Harbour is trying to lecture me on the state of Spanish football and the Spanish economy. Mate I've been to Spain several times in the last 2 years and have friends there with whom I communicate regularly.

And I've avoided personally insulting you, it's sad that you're not above that.

Your views show a high level of ignorance. I don't speak about political issues without taking the time to learn about it first.

Sweet you've partied in Ibiza a few times. Doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. And you talk to Spanish people sometimes? Sweet, ask two different aussies how Australia is going and one will tell you we're fine and the other will tell you we're headed for destruction. Just being a local doesn't necessarily mean you're informed. How many Germans knew they were headed for war and genocide in the mid 30s?

Catalonia has always had a separatist movement. In a terrible economic climate more people start listening to the separists.

If the Spanish economy does not get better, the status quo will not remain.

“The percentage of Catalans supporting independence has doubled, to 46 percent, since 2008,” Jonathan wrote.

http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/in-spain-its-not-just-the-economy/?ref=spain

There are underlying unresolved issues in Spain that are being brought to the surface by this economic crisis. If things don't get better that number will be a lot higher than "46" five years from now.

And here's more:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19799572

"Independence for Catalonia? Over my dead body… and those of many soldiers." That was how Francisco Alaman reacted to the 1.5 million strong demonstration in Barcelona last month, with many calling for independence for the region.

1.5 million people marched for Independence in Barcelona. Spanish military are essentially threatening them with war.

But this thread isn't about politics. This is about La Liga.

La Ligas future is less than certain. Real and Barca are not guaranteed to their present status forever.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Lol dude takes Facebook posts as war threats smh the ultimate jack of all trades master of none.

 

[AusKnightRKO]

All spain needs is Emre Can, but seriously la liga will be fine, it may slide a little and not be so dominating but it will be fine.

 

[Big Sam]

And I've avoided personally insulting you, it's sad that you're not above that.

How is me pointing out that you have very limited knowledge on the topic because you've never been to Spain and never been to a La Liga game a "personal insult"? I thought you were a bit more thick skinned than that.

Sweet you've partied in Ibiza a few times. Doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. And you talk to Spanish people sometimes?

Never been to Ibiza and don't really want to - too cliched for my liking. I have however been to Catalunya, Andalucia, and the Basque Country (the 3 autonomous regions most wanting independence), and have spoken extensively with people from there on the topic of independence. I've also read several books on the topic so I'm far more qualified than someone who just googled a few articles.

Catalonia has always had a separatist movement. In a terrible economic climate more people start listening to the separists.

If the Spanish economy does not get better, the status quo will not remain.

There are underlying unresolved issues in Spain that are being brought to the service by this economic crisis. If things don't get better than number will be a lot higher than "46" five years from now.

See here's the thing: it's all well and good that they want independence but the reality is they'll be broke when they get it. Their current regional debt which would become their national debt after independence would send them broke. They'd be worse off. Likewise Andalucia.

1.5 million people marched for Independence in Barcelona. Spanish military are essentially threatening them with war.

One rogue general is not the whole military FFS. And where are they going to find the money for this? Not only that but under EU law a member country is instantly booted out if they wage war on another member state or their own people. Why would Spain do that to itself? They'd be a million times worse off.

But this thread isn't about politics. This is about La Liga.

You're the one who changed the topic.

La Ligas future is less than certain. Real and Barca are not guaranteed to their present status forever.

On the basis of the potential for the country to break up?

Here's why it could break up and La Liga would still survive in its present form:

Barça could stay in La Liga despite Catalan independence

RAMÓN FUENTES 10/04/2012

If Catalonia were to gain independence from Spain it would mean that FC Barcelona would have to leave the LFP (National Professional Football League) with immediate effect. While the matter may be a distant possibility that has not been studied by both the LFP and the RFEF (Royal Spanish Football Federation), the regulations on the issue are clear and concise. However, there may be a solution.

In order to be able to participate in official competitions in Spain, football clubs must be affiliated to the Spanish Football Federation through their corresponding territorial Federations.

There would be two regulation escape routes for Barça which would allow the club to continue being affiliated by the Spanish Football Federation and thus continue playing in La Liga. One of these options would be to become affiliated in a territorial Federation in Catalonia. This option comes under regulation as something exceptional that would have to be approved by the Board of the RFEF. In other words, the club would be able to participate in La Liga, affiliated to the Federations of Aragon, Valencia or any other zone.

However, this is not the only alternative. The other option would be to benefit from the exceptional situation that the Principality of Andorra has, which allows participation in the Spanish league. The Andorra side currently plays in the Segunda División B. This option would therefore be feasible, as Catalonia, despite being an independent country, depends on sport in relation to Spanish legislation and its Federation.

http://www.marca.com/2012/10/04/en/football/barcelona/1349339197.html

All the clubs would be worse off in a La Liga without Barca. There'd be less interest and as a result less money. Further, without Barca continually making the UCL semis and boosting La Liga's UEFA co-efficient, over time Spain would lose 1-2 UCL spots. So get it out of your head that La Liga is ever going to break up because everyone will be worse off.

Then there's also the fact that Spain's NT would be decimated if Catalunya and the Pais Vasco were to leave. Of the squad that won Euro 2012, 10 players (Pique, Llorente, Alba, Fabregas, Busquets, Xavi, Valdes, Alonso, Pedro, Iniesta) would have been eligible to play for an independent Catalunya or Pais Vasco. This also extends to junior levels too. Of the Olympic squad 10 players (J. Martinez, I. Martinez, Alba, Muniain, Montoya, Romeu, Herrera, Tello, Azpiliceuta, Botia) could've played for either Catalunya or Pais Vasco.

All spain needs is Emre Can, but seriously la liga will be fine, it may slide a little and not be so dominating but it will be fine.

We all realise this except for Bunniesman. He's letting his dislike of (non-British) European football cloud his judgement.

So to sum up, even if Spain were to break up (which is highly unlikely), La Liga would remain intact. Case closed.

 

[BunniesMan]

I don't dislike non British european football. I just think it isn't as good.

Economically speaking Britain and Germany are much stronger than Spain and Italy. If economic and political issues aren't resolved efficiently I can see La Liga and Serie A falling behind the PL and Bundesliga. They'll be in the top 2 and it'll be daylight to the rest. In fact, I can even picture Ligue 1 surpassing La Liga and Serie A.

And Sam, you mention not having money for Independence. Many Catalans believe they pay more tax than they recieve and that a lot of it goes to poorer Spanish areas. Sort of like WA being upset about their tax money going to NSW/Victoria. As a result pro-Catalan Independence types believe they would be better off financially if they got Independence.

 

[Twizzle]

you're kidding if you think its not as good as the EPL

 

[pennywisealfie]

Simple really, what this means is, "EPL is on fox sports and heaps of brittish people live here and talk about epl, so I guess I can be kinda bothered to watch that, but not anything else."

I like to compare the leagues to music, Britney Spears and Lady Gaga (EPL) make a f**kload of money from music and are super popular? But talent wise, they are terrible. Whereas there is much better music (La Liga, Bundesliga etc.) out there that doesn't get airplay.

 

[BunniesMan]

PL has more top end class than BL and more depth than LL. Best of both worlds.

 

[whall15]

I don't watch enough of the lower teams' games in La Liga to be able to make a judgement on their quality, realistically when you average them out the top 6 in La Liga are probably at the same quality of the Premier League. You must also remember the distortion of television income in La Liga.

The Bundesliga is probably the sleeping giant of European football, great in quality, virtually always entertaining and brilliant atmospheres. I should really make more of an effort and watch more Bundesliga.

 

[Twizzle]

I reckon there is more depth in La Liga than Serie A and I agree about the BL, been watching abit on Sultana since we dont get to see La Liga or Serie A on ESPN any more