Last night Wallaby loss shows why Union the inferior game

[ParraEelsNRL]

Don't you remember Australia v Wales, yeah we won in the end, but they gave it to us.

And France has beaten Australia, NZ and England a fair few times, with the frogs having a pro team in SL now, it will start to happen again.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

How many times have France or PNG beaten Australia? Or beaten England? Or beaten New Zealand?

The reasons why the other nations can't compete with those three are besides the point.

Your "point" about Dunning highlights your ignorance.

Well about France i refer you to the Vichy regime's effects. The reasons why other nations cant compete is the point! If you sent over an australian side picked entirely out of the JB Cup then maybe your desired competitiveness could be reached. The RWC had Portugal as a team FFS, they had 30 registered players... lol Malta have alot more than that in RL and they are a much smaller nation and they WONT qualify for the RLWC.

 

[Johns Magic]

Don't you remember Australia v Wales, yeah we won in the end, but they gave it to us.

And France has beaten Australia, NZ and England a fair few times, with the frogs having a pro team in SL now, it will start to happen again.

Wales scored 18 points in 8 minutes, otherwise the game was a hammering. The fact that that is a "close" game for international league just adds weight to my argument.

Have France beaten Australia in the last 30 years?

 

[kav]

The losses by the Wallabies and the All Blacks are a fillip for the league code in this part of the world; particularly here in NZ. The spectacular form shown by the Warriors has converted many traditionalists and hopefully this will be carried on by a strong performance by the Kiwis next weekend. On top of that, the Kiwis have three tests against the Brits and one against the French to press their case as sporting team of the year. Now that would cause splutters in more than a few chardonays or lattes.

Kav

 

[Big_Bad_Shark_Fan]

France have beaten Australia? How many years ago?

The canadians beat the Aussies in the cricket about 50 years ago too..

 

[Johns Magic]

Well about France i refer you to the Vichy regime's effects. The reasons why other nations cant compete is the point! If you sent over an australian side picked entirely out of the JB Cup then maybe your desired competitiveness could be reached. The RWC had Portugal as a team FFS, they had 30 registered players... lol Malta have alot more than that in RL and they are a much smaller nation and they WONT qualify for the RLWC.

Mind you there are twenty teams in the union world cup as opposed to ten in the league world cup, so that's why Portugal qualified for the union world cup. I don't think twenty nations play league.

In the league world cup they have to stack Australia, England and NZ in the same pool of four so that they actually have some competitive matches.

Going into the union world cup, New Zealand were the big favourites whilst nations like Australia, South Africa, England, France, Ireland and Argentina were also reasonable chances of winning.

In the league World Cup, anyone but Australia, New Zealand or England winning is impossible. There is no way Australia would ever be knocked out in the quarter-finals of the league world cup, ever.

The last league world cup had to be postponed four years because of the lack of competitiveness at international level.

League's world cup is laughable compared to union's.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Have France beaten Australia in the last 30 years?

Yes.

 

[Johns Magic]

Yes.

How many times, and when?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

How many times, and when?

I thought you knew it all, you find it yourself. :roll:

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Also beaten GB in the 90's

Lost to NZ and Australia by under 10 points a few times in the last 5 years.

 

[Paullyboy]

haha it doesnt work like that mate, you have to back up your statements if you are going to make them.

(I'm not sure who is right, but you were definately wrong earlier in the thread and I'm guessing you are again)

 

[Paullyboy]

Lost to NZ and Australia by under 10 points a few times in the last 5 years.

I think you need to show some scores/dates mate.

 

[roopy]

The standard of next years league WC will be a thousand miles ahead of the WC of 2000.

The reason - in 2000 there were maybe a few dozen Islanders playing in the NRL and ESL and about the same number of guys available for other countries.

This year you could make three teams of Samoans, two teams of Tongans, a team of Frenchmen, a team of Welsh, a team of Scotsmen, a team of PNG players etc etc etc.

Our ten team WC next season will have over 80% of players full time professionals - and the other 20% will probably have a contract by the end of the cup.

I think the top three will still be far too strong for the others - but whoever the team who comes fourth will be, they will be a fantastic side of fulltime pros - and all 7 teams will be a good chance.

I don't think i'll ever see a side from outside the top 5 in union win their WC in my lifetime - but the fact League has players from all over in the 28 fully professional teams and 100 or so semi-professional teams means i expect to see new sides emerge in League.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

If you spend time in the IRL section, you see the bloody scores don't ya?

http://www.ffr13.com/1-13903-Palmares.php

 

[roopy]

From the players who have already played NRL this year here is the list of players who i believe are eligible to play for developing rugby league nations.



Let me know if there are any errors or if i have left anyone out.



Hopefully i can create a list for ESL and Premier League next.



Cook Islands

Aaron Cannings – Parramatta Eels

Geoff Daniela – Penrith Panthers

Karmichael Hunt – Brisbane Broncos

Keith Lulia – St George Illawarra Dragons

Junior Paulo – Parramatta Eels

Matt Rua – Melbourne Storm

Zeb Taia – Parramatta Eels

Ben Vaeau – North Queensland Cowboys

Paul Whatuira – Wests Tigers



Fiji

Nick Bradley-Qalilawa – Manly Sea Eagles

Petero Civoniceva – Brisbane Broncos

Jarryd Hayne – Parramatta Eels

Daryl Millard – Canterbury Bulldogs

Wes Naiqama – St George Illawarra Dragons

Ashton Sims – St George Illawarra Dragons

John Sutton – South Sydney Rabbitohs



Germany

Josh Cordoba – Parramatta Eels



Greece

Braith Anasta – Sydney City Roosters

George Gatis – New Zealand Warriors

Nick Kouparitsas – Canterbury Bulldogs

Jackson Nicolau – North Queensland Cowboys

Jake Webster – Gold Coast Titans



Italy

Terry Campese – Canberra Raiders

Cameron Ciraldo – Cronulla Sharks

Craig Gower – Penrith Panthers

Anthony Laffranchi – Gold Coast Titans

Anthony Minichiello – Sydney City Roosters

Mark Minichiello – Gold Coast Titans

Joe Monaghan – Sydney City Roosters

Michael Monaghan – Manly Sea Eagles

Shane Rigon – South Sydney Rabbitohs

Grant Rovelli – New Zealand Warriors



Lebanon

Hazem El Masri – Canterbury Bulldogs

Robbie Farah – Wests Tigers



Malta

Ben Galea – Wests Tigers

Danny Galea – Wests Tigers

Paul Mellor - South Sydney Rabbitohs

Shane Shackleton – Sydney City Roosters



Niue

Dene Halatau - Wests Tigers



Papua New Guinea

Paul Aiton – Penrith Panthers

Neville Costigan – Canberra Raiders

Keith Peters – Penrith Panthers



Portugal

Isaac De Gois – Cronulla Sharks



Samoa

Patrick Ah Van – New Zealand Warriors

Roy Asotasi – South Sydney Rabbitohs

Willie Brown – Sydney City Roosters

George Carmont – Newcastle Knights

David Fa’alogo – South Sydney Rabbitohs

David Faiumu – North Queensland Cowboys

Sione Faumuina – North Queensland Cowboys

Joe Galuvao – South Sydney Rabbitohs

Karmichael Hunt – Brisbane Broncos

Krisnan Inu – Parramatta Eels

Phil Leuluai – Cronulla Sharks

Jeff Lima – Melbourne Storm

Reni Maitua – Canterbury Bulldogs

Sika Manu – Melbourne Storm

Steve Matai – Manly Sea Eagles

Junior Moors – Penrith Panthers

Frank Paul Nuuausala – Sydney City Roosters

Henry Perenara – Cronulla Sharks

Frank Pritchard – Penrith Panthers

Frank Puletua – Penrith Panthers

Tony Puletua – Penrith Panthers

Ben Roberts – Canterbury Bulldogs

Jerome Ropati – New Zealand Warriors

Setaimata Sa – Sydney City Roosters

Smith Samau – Gold Coast Titans

Lagi Setu – St George Illawarra Dragons

Terrence Seuseu – Newcastle Knights

Iosia Soliola – Sydney City Roosters

Chase Stanley – St George Illawarra Dragons

Logan Swann – New Zealand Warriors

Sam Tagataese – Melbourne Storm

Mark Taufua – Newcastle Knights

Misi Taulapapa – Cronulla Sharks

Ben Te'o - Wests Tigers

Evarn Tuimavave – New Zealand Warriors

Matt Utai – Canterbury Bulldogs

Nigel Vagana – South Sydney Rabbitohs

Ruben Wiki – New Zealand Warriors

Sonny Bill Williams – Gold Coast Titans



Scotland

Ian Hindmarsh – Parramatta Eels

Nathan Hindmarsh – Parramatta Eels

Scott Logan – Canberra Raiders

Adam MacDougall – Newcastle Knights

Luke MacDougall – Newcastle Knights

James McManus – Newcastle Knights

Jesse Royal – Newcastle Knights



South Africa

Jarrod Saffy – Wests Tigers



Tonga

Fraser Anderson – Cronulla Sharks

Louis Anderson – New Zealand Warriors

Andrew Emelio – Canterbury Bulldogs

Richard Fa’aoso – Parramatta Eels

Israel Folau – Melbourne Storm

Michael Jennings – Penrith Panthers

Antonio Kaufusi – Melbourne Storm

Brent Kite – Manly Sea Eagles

Andrew Lomu – Brisbane Broncos

Epalahame Lauaki – New Zealand Warriors

Manase Manuokafoa – South Sydney Rabbitohs

Willie Mason – Canterbury Bulldogs

Feleti Mateo – Parramatta Eels

Fuifui Moimoi – Parramatta Eels

Lelea Paea – Gold Coast Titans

Lopini Paea – Sydney City Roosters

Mickey Paea – Sydney City Roosters

Jeremy Smith – Melbourne Storm

Fetuli Talanoa – South Sydney Rabbitohs

Charles Tonga – Sydney City Roosters

Willie Tonga – Canterbury Bulldogs

Taniela Tuiaki – Wests Tigers

Anthony Tupou – Sydney City Roosters

Manu Vatuvei – New Zealand Warriors

Cooper Vuna – Newcastle Knights



United States

George Carmont – Newcastle Knights

Clint Newton – Melbourne Storm

Mark O’Halloran – Penrith Panthers

Matt Petersen – Gold Coast Titans

Justin Smith – North Queensland Cowboys

Chris Walker – Gold Coast Titans

 

[roopy]

From the players who have already played ESL this year here is the list of players who i believe are eligible to play for developing rugby league nations.



Let me know if there are any errors or if i have left anyone out.



Hopefully i can create a list for Premier League next.



Cook Islands

Byron Ford – Hull KR

Karl Temata – London Harlequins

Adam Watene – Wakefield Wildcats



Fiji

Semi Tadulala – Wakefield Wildcats



Greece

Jason Demetriou – Wakefield Wildcats

Michael Korkidas – Salford Reds

John Skandalis – Huddersfield Giants



Ireland

Chris Bridge – Warrington Wolves

Simon Finnigan – Salford Reds

Garreth Haggerty – Salford Reds

Graeme Horne – Hull FC

Richard Horne – Hull FC

Stuart Littler – Salford Reds

Kevin McGuinness – Salford Reds

Chris McKenna – Bradford Bulls

Shayne McMenemy – Hull FC

Pat Richards – Wigan Warriors

Ryan Tandy – Hull KR

Pat Weisner – Hull KR

Michael Withers – Wigan Warriors



Italy

Chris Nero – Huddersfield Giants



Malta

Matt Gafa – London Harlequins

Michael Vella – Hull KR



Morocco

Jamal Fakir – Les Catalans

Younes Khattabi – Les Catalans



New Caledonia

Dimitri Pelo – Les Catalans



Niue

Zebastian Luisi – London Harlequins

Motu Tony – Hull FC



Papua New Guinea

Makali Aizue – Hull KR

Stanley Gene – Hull KR

John Wilshere – Salford Reds



Samoa

Andreas Bauer – Hull KR

Andrew Bentley – Les Catalans

Kane Bentley – Les Catalans

Henry Fa’afili – Warrington Wolves

Maurie Fa’asavalu – St Helens

Harrison Hansen – Wigan Warriors

Ali Lauitiiti – Leeds Rhinos

Kylie Leuluai – Leeds Rhinos

Thomas Leuluai – Wigan Warriors

Danny Lima – Wakefield Wildcats

Jamahl Lolesi – Huddersfield Giants

Zebastien Luisi – London Harlequins

Hutch Maiava – Hull FC

Francis Meli – St Helens

Iafeta Paleaaesina – Wigan Warriors

David Solomona – Bradford Bulls

Willie Talau – St Helens

Motu Tony – Hull FC

David Vaealiki – Wigan Warriors

Joe Vagana – Bradford Bulls

Gray Viane – Salford Reds



Scotland

Andrew Bentley – Les Catalans

Kane Bentley – Les Catalans

Ben Fisher – Hull KR

Lee Gilmour – St Helens

Darrell Griffen – Huddersfield Giants

Daniel Heckenberg – London Harlequins

Ian Henderson – Bradford Bulls

Kevin Henderson – Wakefield Wildcats

Graeme Horne – Hull FC

Richard Horne – Hull FC

Paul Jackson – Huddersfield Giants

Duncan MacGillivray – Wakefield Wildcats

Mark McLinden – London Harlequins

Iain Morrison – Hull KR

Gareth Morton – Hull KR

Kevin Sinfield – Leeds Rhinos

Jonathon Steel – Hull KR

Mike Wainwright – Warrington Wolves



Tonga

Vinnie Anderson – Warrington Wolves

Tevita Latu – Wakefield Wildcats

Willie Manu – Hull FC

Tyrone Smith – London Harlequins

Clinton Toopi – Leeds Rhinos

Tame Tupou – Bradford Bulls

Lesley Vainikolo – Bradford Bulls



United States

Jim Gannon – Hull KR

Shane Millard – Wigan Warriors

David Solomona – Bradford Bulls

Jon Wells – London Harlequins



Wales

Ryan Atkins – Wakefield Wildcats

Lee Briers – Warrington Wolves

Gareth Carvell – Hull FC

Keiron Cunningham – St Helens

Luke Dyer – Hull KR

James Evans – Bradford Bulls

Wayne Godwin – Hull FC

Brent Grose – Warrington Wolves

Byrn Hargreaves – St Helens

Iestyn Harris – Bradford Bulls

Paul Highton – Salford Reds

Graeme Horne – Hull FC

Richard Horne – Hull FC

Stuart Jones – Huddersfield Giants

Mark Lennon – Hull KR

Keith Mason – Huddersfield Giants

Danny Mills – London Harlequins

Adrian Morley – Warrington Wolves

Lee Smith – Leeds Rhinos

Danny Ward – Hull KR



West Indies

Ryan Atkins – Wakefield Wildcats

Ryan Bailey – Leeds Rhinos

Richie Barnett – Warrington Wolves

Jamie Jones-Buchanan – Leeds Rhinos

Leon Pryce – St Helens

Waine Pryce – Wakefield Wildcats

Gareth Raynor – Hull FC

Marcus St Hilaire – Bradford Bulls

Paul Sykes – London Harlequins

Paul White – Wakefield Wildcats

 

[Butters]

So they last beat Australia in 1978? Wow that really proves Rugby League is as competitive as Union on the international level.

 

[roopy]

From the players who have already played NSWRL Premier League this year here is the list of players who i believe are eligible to play for developing rugby league nations.



Let me know if there are any errors or if i have left anyone out. There are a few others who i believe would be eligible for one of these countries but i wasn't sure which one.



Cook Islands

Daniel Fepuleai – St George Illawarra Dragons

Patrick Kapi – Auckland Lions

Peter Lewis – Western Suburbs Magpies

Marty Mitchell – Auckland Lions

Fred Pakutoa – Cronulla Sharks

Ben Taia – Western Suburbs Magpies

Ioane Victor – Canterbury Bulldogs



Fiji

Josefa Namila Davui – Canterbury Bulldogs

Matthew Forwood – Penrith Panthers

Aaron Groom – Manly Sea Eagles

James Storer – Parramatta Eels

Netani Suka – Western Suburbs Magpies

Akuila Uate – Newcastle Knights

Eloni Vunakece – Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers

Stanley Waqa – Newtown Jets

Samu Wara – Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers



Greece

Jamie Theoharous – Penrith Panthers

Justin Tsoulos – Parramatta Eels



Italy

Paul Franze – Newcastle Knights

Ray Nasso – Parramatta Eels

Alex Ranieri – Penrith Panthers

Rocky Trimarchi – Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers



Lebanon

Jai Ayoub - Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers

George Azzi – Western Suburbs Magpies

Charlie Farah – Canterbury Bulldogs

Ray Moujalli – Cronulla Sharks

George Ndaira – Newtown Jets

Frank Samia – St George Illawarra Dragons



Malta

Pat Galea – Western Suburbs Magpies

Simon Micallef – Parramatta Eels

Tyson Muscat – Western Suburbs Magpies

Jarrod Sammut – Penrith Panthers



Niue

Chance Bunce – Western Suburbs Magpies

Wayne McDade – Auckland Lions



Papua New Guinea

Wayne Bond – Penrith Panthers

Rod Griffen – Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers

Tu’u Maori – Cronulla Sharks



Russia

Roman Ovchinnikov – Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers

Dean Rysko – Western Suburbs Magpies



Samoa

Jack Afamasaga – Manly Sea Eagles

Leeson Ah Mau – Auckland Lions

Toa Asa – Western Suburbs Magpies

Alfred Betham – Parramatta Eels

Chance Bunce – Western Suburbs Magpies

Sonny Fai – Auckland Lions

Daniel Fepuleai – St George Illawarra Dragons

Ramon Filipine – North Sydney Bears

Masada Iosefa – Penrith Panthers

Charlie Leaeno – St George Illawarra Dragons

Toleafoa Leaupepe – Auckland Lions

Mark Meredith – Penrith Panthers

Steve Meredith – Newtown Jets

Peewee Moke – Penrith Panthers

Eddie Pettybourne – North Sydney Bears

Upo Poching – Auckland Lions

Jarrod Roberts – Western Suburbs Magpies

Rota Setu – St George Illawarra Dragons

Malo Solomona – Auckland Lions

Miguel Start – Auckland Lions

Shannon Stowers – Auckland Lions

Eddie Sua – Cronulla Sharks

Andrew Suniula – Auckland Lions

Conrad Ta’akimoeaka – North Sydney Bears

McKonkie Tauasa – Parramatta Eels

Taulima Tautai – Parramatta Eels

Larry Taufua – Newcastle Knights

Lui Toimoana – Auckland Lions

Jason Williams – Canberra Raiders

Antonio Winterstein – Newtown Jets

Frank Winterstein – Canterbury Bulldogs

Ricardo Young – St George Illawarra Dragons



Tonga

Junior Ahio – Manly Sea Eagles

Kingi Akaoula – Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers

Damon Alley-Tovio – Canterbury Bulldogs

Joe Falemaka – North Sydney Bears

Sione Finifeuiaki – Manly Sea Eagles

David Fisiiahi – Auckland Lions

John Kaifoto – North Sydney Bears

Tevita Metuisela – Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers

Sam Moa – Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers

Valu Nasio – North Sydney Bears

Eddie Paea – North Sydney Bears

Kurt Sorensen – Newcastle Knights

Inoke Tapaatoutai – Manly Sea Eagles

Sitaleki Timani – Cronulla Sharks

Willie Tupou – Newcastle Knights

Etu Uaisele – Parramatta Eels

Kim Uasi – Auckland Lions

Tony Williams – Parramatta Eels

 

[FinalSolution]

I don't think i'll ever see a side from outside the top 5 in union win their WC in my lifetime.

Well there a good enough reason to support England (Ranked 7th)
Only 2 wins away from Roopy putting a gun to his head.:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Eye_Shot_The_Sheriff]

union is poo. end of story