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[Pippen94]

based on the premise that one day French Tv would show an interest and buy games. 15 years on and the rest of SL is now getting frustrated that there is still no sign of this happening. They drew the line in the sand with Toronto then Toulouse.

Better to have sustainable, wealthy club than a struggling small UK team?!

 

[Perth Red]

Better to have sustainable, wealthy club than a struggling small UK team?!

questionable if that club is costing 1.5mill a year with no return on that investment. If the small club has more value to uk tv than a vibrant French club then on pure ROI alone?
Like I said it isnt SL's job to fund French RL. Its a business there to make money for its members, welcome to prof sport in the 21st century.

 

[Pippen94]

questionable if that club is costing 1.5mill a year with no return on that investment. If the small club has more value to uk tv than a vibrant French club then on pure ROI alone?
Like I said it isnt SL's job to fund French RL. Its a business there to make money for its members, welcome to prof sport in the 21st century.

Ok, cut a rich success team in big catchment area for small town club. Then wonder why comp struggles..

 

[Perth Red]

Ok, cut a rich success team in big catchment area for small town club. Then wonder why comp struggles..

you dont seem to be grasping the concept that the club is costing the league money and not making it any?
The idea was bring French clubs in and get French tv revenue to cover the costs. That hasn't happened so they are in effect costing the English game money. SL isnt a charity.

 

[Pippen94]

you dont seem to be grasping the concept that the club is costing the league money and not making it any?
The idea was bring French clubs in and get French tv revenue to cover the costs. That hasn't happened so they are in effect costing the English game money. SL isnt a charity.

How much does it cost to bail out teams when they go bust?

 

[Perth Red]

How much does it cost to bail out teams when they go bust?

SL doesn't bail out teams. It relegates them.

 

[Pippen94]

SL doesn't bail out teams. It relegates them.

How's that working for them?!

 

[Perth Red]

How's that working for them?!

Im confused, you think SL should bail out teams that go broke?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Meanwhile back in the real world.....

Ideally we'd have a 14 team comp with the current 12 plus Toulouse and Bradford. Keep the grading system in place giving any other clubs who have the ambition and finances the opportunity to move up if they prove better than an incumbent.

Toronto is and always was a pipedream on par with Paris and Gateshead.

I wouldn't say that. There was genuine interest in the game over there.

 

[Perth Red]

I wouldn't say that. There was genuine interest in the game over there.

Nobodies questioning that, but sustainability viability, logistics etc that's a different matter. Also environment, simple fact is SL isnt NRL and does not have the resources to be throwing at such ventures to dal with those issues.
even with all the money NRl has its not spending it on places like Singapore or Shanghai because there may be some interest. Hell it wont even invest any in Perth and is instead asking a resurrected Sydney pokie club to do it.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Nobodies questioning that, but sustainability viability, logistics etc that's a different matter. Also environment, simple fact is SL isnt NRL and does not have the resources to be throwing at such ventures to dal with those issues.
even with all the money NRl has its not spending it on places like Singapore or Shanghai because there may be some interest. Hell it wont even invest any in Perth and is instead asking a resurrected Sydney pokie club to do it.

I'd be calling for bids rather than the game throwing money at it and if no one want to bid or there were no suitable bids then fair enough, but it's worth it to try. We are only a few years removed from that time, the support would still be there.

 

[Pippen94]

Im confused, you think SL should bail out teams that go broke?

HOW IS SUPERLEAGUE GOING?! IS IT IN GOOD SHAPE?!!

 

[Perth Red]

I'd be calling for bids rather than the game throwing money at it and if no one want to bid or there were no suitable bids then fair enough, but it's worth it to try. We are only a few years removed from that time, the support would still be there.

but again it offers no value to SL. So sure if a club doesnt get the SL grant and covers clubs travel costs so its cost neutral to SL then maybe, but for a club to do that it would need significant ongoing revenue generation opportunities.
Catalans manage it as they get the SL grant and a healthy grant from the local council every year.
But can any other club outside England achieve sustainability in reality? They'd need to generate around 4million pounds a year from owner/sponsor/fanbase.

And again you have to ask whats in it for SL? Sure if in 25 years RL takes off in Canada it would generate revenue but it hasn't so far after 15 years in France where there has been a 100 year history of RL.

 

[Wb1234]

questionable if that club is costing 1.5mill a year with no return on that investment. If the small club has more value to uk tv than a vibrant French club then on pure ROI alone?
Like I said it isnt SL's job to fund French RL. Its a business there to make money for its members, welcome to prof sport in the 21st century.

1.5 million pa lol

Small village mentality

That’s how much Nathan Cleary makes

 

[Wb1234]

but again it offers no value to SL. So sure if a club doesnt get the SL grant and covers clubs travel costs so its cost neutral to SL then maybe, but for a club to do that it would need significant ongoing revenue generation opportunities.
Catalans manage it as they get the SL grant and a healthy grant from the local council every year.
But can any other club outside England achieve sustainability in reality? They'd need to generate around 4million pounds a year from owner/sponsor/fanbase.

And again you have to ask whats in it for SL? Sure if in 25 years RL takes off in Canada it would generate revenue but it hasn't so far after 15 years in France where there has been a 100 year history of RL.

Leigh
Hudds

offer nothing to super league either

and if you are being totally honest hull doesn’t need two clubs

what’s does hull kr bring to English league that isn’t already provided by hull fc ?

 

[Perth Red]

Leigh
Hudds

offer nothing to super league either

and if you are being totally honest hull doesn’t need two clubs

what’s does hull kr bring to English league that isn’t already provided by hull fc ?

but they do as they provide British viewers for the British tv deal. You can argue about how much value and if a different British club would eventually bring bigger tv audience but that would just be opinion. You can keep Catalans, include Toulouse, NY and Toronto to Sl but they add no value to British Tv and thats where the money comes from.

 

[Wb1234]

but they do as they provide British viewers for the British tv deal. You can argue about how much value and if a different British club would eventually bring bigger tv audience but that would just be opinion. You can keep Catalans, include Toulouse, NY and Toronto to Sl but they add no value to British Tv and thats where the money comes from.

No they don’t

the areas already have multiple other teams whose areas overlap

your displaying the insularity which is rife in English league and you aren’t even a bad example of it

imagine the nrl cut off funding for png because they have no value for tv ?

or your Perth team ?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

but again it offers no value to SL. So sure if a club doesnt get the SL grant and covers clubs travel costs so its cost neutral to SL then maybe, but for a club to do that it would need significant ongoing revenue generation opportunities.
Catalans manage it as they get the SL grant and a healthy grant from the local council every year.
But can any other club outside England achieve sustainability in reality? They'd need to generate around 4million pounds a year from owner/sponsor/fanbase.

And again you have to ask whats in it for SL? Sure if in 25 years RL takes off in Canada it would generate revenue but it hasn't so far after 15 years in France where there has been a 100 year history of RL.

The what's in it for SL attitude needs to stop and is what's wrong with the game over there. The growth of the game and the clubs outside of Northern England is what's in it for SL.

The NRL need to gather the ambitious clubs from there, put a tender out for Toronto and go to sponsors and broadcasters with a club and international RL package that has representation in Australia, NZ, PNG, England, France, Canada and Wales. Maybe even Fiji.

Toronto can be part of the North American strategy the NRL started.

This stuff (minus Toronto) is clearly being thought about and discussed which is why there are whispers of the NRL buying SL and Uncle Nick investing in LA. If we want to break out and really grow the game, this is what is needed.

 

[Pippen94]

No they don’t

the areas already have multiple other teams whose areas overlap

your displaying the insularity which is rife in English league and you aren’t even a bad example of it

imagine the nrl cut off funding for png because they have no value for tv ?

or your Perth team ?

Don't you see rich clubs like Catalans takes money away from UK scene?! Forget UK system is dying & small clubs have no hope of lifting game out of trouble.

 

[Perth Red]

No they don’t

the areas already have multiple other teams whose areas overlap

your displaying the insularity which is rife in English league and you aren’t even a bad example of it

imagine the nrl cut off funding for png because they have no value for tv ?

or your Perth team ?

there would be no png if Aus govt wasnt throwing silly money at it. There woudl be no perth (allegedly) if it wasnt for a sydney club being involved. So your argument has no water, NRl is no different to SL, it just operates in a very different environment and has been successful at maximising that. In fact Vlandys has said numerous times any new club brought in has to add value to the NRL.