LBA Watch 2011

[yy_cheng]

so why develop a short kicking game. at fb u rarely saw a short kicking game from hayne. at 1, it was a run or a no look cutout. at 6, he is askwd to do more amd asked to develop more options and asked to think quicker. wouldnt that make a more awesome jarryd in 3 years time? fb will stunt his growth. short term pain for long term gain

 

[Twizzle]

He fits both of them. He's just better at fullback right now.



He has no issues with his defence other than always trying to make the big play on both sides of the ball.

He's got a natural footballing brain, speed, strength, footwork and aggression. Why would he be a bad defender anywhere on the field?

The 'positional play' bullshit is just that - bullshit. It's something haters made up because it can't be disproved.

That's like saying he shouldn't play in the halves because his kicking game isn't as good as Soward's.

it is a problem though, he gets lazy and misses out on opportunities that Burt would have taken

that said I do think he will serve us better at FB with Roberts at 5/8 next season

 

[oldmancraigy]

He doesn't really fit any role then. Five eight restricts his playing style yet in fullback he has some issues with defense and his support play is inferior to Burts.

??

He's just about the best defensive fullback in the comp. Has been for a couple of years now...

He tried a new thing this year of getting the chasers involved in stopping the breaks, it backfired on him twice (most notably against FaiFaiLoa). Since then he went back to his standard approach.

As for support play, go watch old tapes, he's pretty darn good in that regard WHEN HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SET UP ALL THE PLAYS HIMSELF.

 

[caylo]

Totally agree.

But like Eels Dude said, he can do all that from fullback.

Also, why should he have to develop his short passing game when he already has such a great running game he can better use at fullback?

If Hayne is at fullback he shouldnt be over utilising his short kicking game, that is the duty of the halves and he should be supporting. I understand both arguments because realistically Hayne would be one of the best 5-8 in the comp but then again he is one of the best fullbacks as well.

At fullback Hayne will probably see more ball in space but he will probably see less ball then if he was at 5-8. Roberts and Sandow should control the attacking structure and create space for guys like Hayne, Loko and W.Tonga (if he comes) to use their speed etc.

People do complain about Hayne and his lack of support play but IMO that has developed because of the lack of genuine halves and Hayne positioning himself more central and trying to organise the next play rather then follow the football. Next year if he takes a back seat to the halves he will be able to go back and follow/support the ball carriers.

A Positive with Hayne out of the halves is that is adds a ball runner out wide, Hayne has a good football brain and he run very good lines allowing someone like Sandow to play the short ball to a quick and evasive player not just a forward much like Slater and Stewart do.

With the current roster I think Hayne is best at fullback although if we had someone like Gardner in the side I think Hayne would be better utilised at 5-8. Much like Inglis, you can play Hayne anywhere and he will perform better then most. I think he would actually be a very good backrower, he defiantly has the frame it would just be a massive waste of talent..

 

[Bigfella]

I can;t agree that his kicking game will be as effective from fullback.

He kicks far more, short or long, at 6. And his kicking game is absolutely phenomenal. I think it's a big reason for him to play 6.

Mind you Roberts is also very handy in this department and we may not need Hayne's kicking as much with him and Sandow on board.

I do agree with omc that you can't bag hayne for not backing up like Billy Slater or even Luke Burt.

Billy has Cam Smith Cooper Cronk and Gareth Widdup doing all the attack. He doesn't have to try to back up himself.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If Hayne is at fullback he shouldnt be over utilising his short kicking game, that is the duty of the halves and he should be supporting.

Exactly. He should be chasing those kicks, not having to put them through himself.

At fullback Hayne will probably see more ball in space but he will probably see less ball then if he was at 5-8.

True again. You've really learnt a lot from reading my posts.

Roberts and Sandow should control the attacking structure and create space for guys like Hayne, Loko and W.Tonga (if he comes) to use their speed etc.

People do complain about Hayne and his lack of support play but IMO that has developed because of the lack of genuine halves and Hayne positioning himself more central and trying to organise the next play rather then follow the football. Next year if he takes a back seat to the halves he will be able to go back and follow/support the ball carriers.

A Positive with Hayne out of the halves is that is adds a ball runner out wide, Hayne has a good football brain and he run very good lines allowing someone like Sandow to play the short ball to a quick and evasive player not just a forward much like Slater and Stewart do.

With the current roster I think Hayne is best at fullback although if we had someone like Gardner in the side I think Hayne would be better utilised at 5-8. Much like Inglis, you can play Hayne anywhere and he will perform better then most. I think he would actually be a very good backrower, he defiantly has the frame it would just be a massive waste of talent..

Good post.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I can;t agree that his kicking game will be as effective from fullback.

He kicks far more, short or long, at 6. And his kicking game is absolutely phenomenal. I think it's a big reason for him to play 6.

I first saw you mention this the other day and I hadn't considered it before but you're right.

It is a good reason for Hayne to play in the halves but Sandow and Roberts both kick well enough for Hayne's short kicking game to take a back seat at 1.

I do agree with omc that you can't bag hayne for not backing up like Billy Slater or even Luke Burt.

Billy has Cam Smith Cooper Cronk and Gareth Widdup doing all the attack. He doesn't have to try to back up himself.

Given Billy Slater has always played in dominant sides at every level, I don't think he's a patch on Jarryd Hayne. For all Billy's strengths he has his weaknesses, including being poor under the high ball, and his passing game is average. His main strength (support play) is really only as valuable as the quality of the team he plays in. I think Luke Burt would have played Origin if he'd played his whole career at fullback in a dominant club side, and if that Origin side were as consistently dominant as the current Queensland team then he would definitely have played for Australia.

I'm not saying Burt's even close to Billy Slater but at his peak I don't think he was far off. The Billy Slater myth has been allowed to grow mostly due to a fortuitous set of circumstances. An athletic and enthusiastic support player in a shit-hot team will always look like world beater.

But has Billy really overcome the game changing errors that plagued him early in his career, or have they just been hidden by the quality that he is always surrounded by?

 

[SDM]

True again. You've really learnt a lot from reading my posts.

So have I. Can I put you down as a referee on my resume?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So have I. Can I put you down as a referee on my resume?

I believe the Hay campus of La Trobe University will even give you advanced standing on a PhD.

 

[SDM]

I believe the Hay campus of La Trobe University will even give you advanced standing on a PhD.

Sweet, I will head down and check it out. Pete! can I stay in your woolshed again?

 

[hindy111]

I would start with Hayne at fullback and if Roberts doesnt work out than decide if its time to make the fulltime move.Or unless Marmin goes up another gear...
Roberts-Cane he play anywhere other than 5/8? and be effective?

 

[caylo]

I first saw you mention this the other day and I hadn't considered it before but you're right.

It is a good reason for Hayne to play in the halves but Sandow and Roberts both kick well enough for Hayne's short kicking game to take a back seat at 1.

This is the most important point. With Hayne in the 6 we allow Burt to play in the 1 and utilize his kicking game this year. Haynes game hasn't changed that much because he is the dominate playmaker in the 1 or 6 next year its a different story though, first he shouldn't be the dominate playmaker.

Roberts though has a better short kicking game at least compared to Burt so having Roberts in the 6 and Hayne at fullback is probably just as stronger (if not stronger) then Burt at fullback and Hayne in the 6.

Also with Sandow and Roberts both very good components of kicking it will allow Hayne to chase them and he is very good under the high ball and pretty quick (plus he hits hard) which will make every other fullback second guess himself.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Roberts-Cane he play anywhere other than 5/8? and be effective?

He can play halfback, and I'm sure he'll be second choice if Sandow's out.

 

[Eels Dude]

He can play halfback, and I'm sure he'll be second choice if Sandow's out.

He could also probably play in at dummy half, in the centres, or at lock if required. Wouldn't surprise me to see him playing in the number 14 jersey next year if things don't work out for him at 5'8th. He's a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none type player.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Pretty sure he's a specialist left-side half.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

LBAs 2011 (After 21 rounds)

26 Thurston
19 Marshall
18 Hayne
14 Farah
13 Pearce
12 Foran
12 Gasnier
11 Mateo
10 Cronk
10 Slater
9 Bowen
9 Wallace

8 Lui
8 McCrone
8 Stewart, B
8 Sutton
8 Walsh

7 Anasta
7 Boyd
7 Hopoate
7 Kenny-Dowall
7 Lockyer
7 Morris, John
7 Mullen
7 Prince
7 Tupou, A

6 Best
6 Cherry-Evans
6 Dugan
6 Fien
6 Friend, J
6 Gallen
6 Gidley
6 Lyon
6 Payne, A
6 Payne, C
6 Sandow
6 Taylor, D
6 Widdop

5 Carney, T
5 Croker
5 Locke
5 Luke
5 Moltzen
5 Morris, B
5 Pritchard
5 Smith, Cameron
5 Stanley, K
5 Tonga, E

4 Champion
4 Cooper, M
4 Costigan
4 Creagh
4 Ennis
4 Gordon, M
4 Hornby
4 Kasiano
4 Keating, K
4 Lowrie
4 Lulia
4 Maloney
4 Nightingale
4 Reed
4 Robson
4 Stewart, G
4 Thaiday
4 Williams, S

3 Bell, M
3 Berrigan
3 Bird
3 Brown, L
3 Burns
3 Coote
3 Gardner
3 Graham, W
3 Henry
3 Hilder
3 Hodkinson
3 Hohaia
3 Horo
3 Inglis
3 Jennings
3 Johnson, S
3 Leilua
3 Lewis, L
3 Matai
3 Naiqama
3 Nielsen
3 Packer, R
3 Parker, C
3 Sa'u
3 Seymour
3 Smith, B
3 Stig
3 Taylor, E
3 Tonga, W

2 Aubusson, M
2 Ayshford
2 Ballin
2 Barba
2 Blair, A
2 Blair, M
2 Bromwich
2 Brown, R
2 Burt
2 Campbell, P
2 Capewell
2 Duffie
2 Dwyer
2 Fa'aoso
2 Glenn
2 Hall, G
2 Hoffman
2 Houston
2 Idris
2 Linnett
2 Mannering
2 Massey
2 McManus
2 Merritt
2 Minichiello, A
2 Minichiello, M
2 Moimoi
2 Moon
2 Mortimer
2 Norman
2 O'Neill
2 Orford
2 Paterson
2 Peats
2 Prior
2 Proctor
2 Reddy
2 Reynolds, J
2 Ridge, B
2 Roberts, T
2 Robertson
2 Soward
2 Srama
2 Stagg
2 Symonds
2 Thompson, B
2 Thompson, J
2 Tighe
2 Tolman
2 Toopi
2 Utai
2 Waterhouse
2 Wesser
2 Young, D

1 Ah Mau, L
1 Aiton
1 Arona
1 Beale
1 Bolton
1 Buttriss
1 Carney, J
1 Ciraldo
1 Civoniceva
1 Collis
1 Cooper, G
1 Corrigan
1 Cuthbertson
1 Douglas
1 Eastwood
1 Edwards, J
1 Ellis
1 Farrell
1 Ferguson
1 Flanagan
1 Friend, N
1 Gillett
1 Goodwin, Bryson
1 Graham, P
1 Harrison, A
1 Harrison, B
1 Heighington
1 Hinchcliffe
1 Hodges
1 Hunt, B
1 Iosefa
1 James
1 Kaufusi, A
1 Keating, M
1 Kelly, A
1 Lasalo
1 Luck
1 MacDougall
1 Maitua
1 Mara, A
1 Matulino
1 McCullough
1 McGuire
1 Mika
1 Mitchell, A
1 Morgan, K
1 Morgan, M
1 Morgan, R
1 Myles
1 Nuuasala
1 Payten
1 Perrett
1 Plum
1 Rankin
1 Rein
1 Rose
1 Segeyaro
1 Simona
1 Smith, Jeremy
1 Snowden
1 Stapleton
1 Tagataese
1 Taia
1 Tamou
1 Tate
1 Te'o
1 Thompson, R
1 Townsend
1 Tuimavave
1 Tupou, W
1 Uate
1 Vatuvei
1 Vidot
1 Walker
1 Webb
1 Weston
1 Williams, John
1 Williams, T
1 Woolnough
1 Yow Yeh
1 Zillman

Anyone not listed has zero linebreak assists for 2011.

 

[Eels Dude]

Damn Hayne's slipped from equal second to outright third. This doesn't help his chances of claiming the inaugural LBA award. It could come well down to our match against the Tigers in a few weeks as to who finishes second or third behind Thurston.

 

[TheParraboy]

Should there be a list of players with zero LBAs?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

As we can see, Hayne has made 3 LBAs in 4 games in the halves.

This is compared with 15 LBAs in 12 games at fullback.

Clearly it is easier to throw the kind of passes he likes to throw when he gets into a wider, more threatening position.

 

[TheParraboy]

As we can see, Hayne has made 3 LBAs in 4 games in the halves.

This is compared with 15 LBAs in 12 games at fullback.
Clearly it is easier to throw the kind of passes he likes to throw when he gets into a wider, more threatening position.

6 was in one game, so it really evens out from either position