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Leaders of the pack

Frederick

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Leaders of the pack: Cross and Tolar planning on making immediate impact for Newcastle
BY BRETT KEEBLE
10/03/2009 4:00:00 AM

A STRONG start to the NRL season will depend on a strong start to each game, starting with the Knights' trip to Skilled Park to tackle the Titans on Sunday.

So say Newcastle bookends Ben Cross and Dan Tolar, who have embraced the challenge of leading the pack against a Gold Coast team spearheaded by seasoned NSW and Australian hardman Luke Bailey and former Knight Matt White.

Cross is lining up for his first season-opener since 2004, when he was a largely unknown bench forward for the Raiders.

The premiership-winning former Storm enforcer has missed the jump every year since due to a string of injuries but is raring to go after an incident-free pre-season.

After playing a supporting role to the likes of Craig Smith, Matt Parsons, Josh Perry, Adam Woolnough and Jesse Royal in the past five seasons, Tolar has graduated from the ranks of fringe dweller to frontliner.

With 65 NRL games under his belt the same number Cross has amassed for the Raiders, Storm and Knights Tolar is Newcastle's fifth-most experienced player behind Steve Simpson, Adam MacDougall, Kurt Gidley and Matt Hilder.

Cross only played nine games last year, and of those he and Tolar started together just twice in a 34-22 loss to Brisbane on April 13 and a 38-24 victory over the Cowboys on August 23.

But they are the likely starters on Sunday, supported by Richie Fa'aoso and Chris Houston, and are keen to retain the No.8 and No.10 jerseys all season.

"I haven't started round one since 2004, with injuries and other stuff, so it's a little bit of new ground to me. I'm a little bit on edge about it, actually," Cross said.

"If we can get off to a good start . . . if I can play consistent footy, consistently good hit-ups and make good tackles, that will lead on to week-to-week and hopefully cause a flow-on for the rest of the season."

Tolar, who is unsigned beyond this season, has survived the prop purge of the past few years, but the 26-year-old Central Charlestown junior knows he needs to hit the ground running to convince coach Brian Smith he is worthy of a contract extension.

"We've lost a lot of front-rowers there's been a bit of a clean-out over the last couple of years but I've been lucky enough to keep my position," Tolar said.

"Hopefully I can secure a starting spot for that first round this Sunday, and it's a goal to keep that spot and be there at the end of the year. Hopefully I can be a leader for the forwards and set an example each week.

"Getting off to a good start to the season is vital. You don't want to be behind the eight ball and chasing points."

Cross suffered a head knock and Tolar followed soon after with a head gash in the early minutes of Newcastle's 14-10 loss to Cronulla in a pre-season trial at Cessnock 10 days ago.

But they returned to wreak havoc in the middle of the ruck, stinging the Sharks with some ruthless defence to send a message that the Knights will not be pushed around by anyone.

Smith said he had spent more time getting to know Cross this pre-season and hoped the 30-year-old NSW Origin representative was spared another injury-plagued NRL campaign.

"Crossy's been at great pains not to come across as a know-it-all, or someone who says, 'Do it my way', or whatever. He goes about his work pretty quietly and it's an example-type leadership that he has a bit like Simmo," Smith said.

"We lost Crossy and Tolar early against Cronulla, but when we put them both back on they were scary. Some of their defence was ruthless and the pair of them were hitting so hard and really filled that middle up.

"You can talk about that stuff but when you're out there and you can feel it, see it and play alongside it, it just builds confidence when you know it's there all the time."
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Joker's Wild

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I believe Cross is the key to our pack and the amount of footy he missed last season was a big factor in us not finishing any higher than 9th. He was making great metres when he played for the Storm in 07 and while our piggies played above the call last season we lacked a real line punching prop.
 

roopy

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Smith has been brutal in cutting props from the squad - Perry, Woolnough, Snowden, Royal, White, and a bunch of other fringe guys like Worth, Miller, Schillings, etc.

It's hard to know what he is going for, but I think it is the one position that we seem to be going backwards in.
 

Pika

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Royal and White are the only serious losses in that bunch.

Perry was never going to perform under the sweeping changes and has reached his real potential at the Eagles.
 

macavity

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It's hard to know what he is going for, but I think it is the one position that we seem to be going backwards in.

I think we have a pretty well balanced forward pack actually. Certainly one of the better back rows, and our front row holds its own.

would have liked to keep white, but I think (and its only a guess) smithy likes to start 2 different styles of prop - like Cross (hard running intimidator) and Tolar (mobile workhorse).

White was probably competing for Crossy's role, and Royal for Tolar's. Depth would have been great, but must have been a cost issue.

Fuss and Wicks are good impact, Houso would start at any other club - and Timmy will make a splash (until he gets suspended) at some time during the year too.

We could be better, but we are far from awful.

The Dragons, for example, are a team we will be on a similar sort of level to, and are getting some wraps this year - would you rather be starting with Weyman and Beau Scott?
 

Yosh

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I am still not completely convinced they are all that great for a starting front row. Cross isn't really Origin standard if you ask me and Tolar is okay... I think they'll do okay

however I truely believe that by the end of the year either Wicks, Faas or Taufua will be our far and far best prop at the club. Probably Wicks... Don't ask. Yes you!
 

Bring it home Knights

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I am still not completely convinced they are all that great for a starting front row. Cross isn't really Origin standard if you ask me and Tolar is okay... I think they'll do okay

however I truely believe that by the end of the year either Wicks, Faas or Taufua will be our far and far best prop at the club. Probably Wicks... Don't ask. Yes you!

I rate cross as high as any prop in the comp. For a bloke that has played 60 odd games, he shows great leadership qualities. We haven't had a prop that can turn a match with sheer agression since Paul Harragon. If Cross can string some games together this season, watch out!!
 

KempoKnight

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Im still dirty we let go of White and Royal, they would have been on stuff all money and now we will sit back and watch them perform well for some other team when it could of been ours.
 

Hanscholo

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It must be the season, Cross is in an article talking up the game ffs. Just go out there and smash it up big fella then talk about it after.
 

~knights~

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scotty prince has been talking up matt white

it's going to be 'game on' sunday

"I think he's been great, said Prince of White who'll line-up against his former club at Skilled Park on Sunday with a big point to prove.
"Through the trials he's shown a tough attitude. He really stands up to the opposition forward pack.
"It's good to have a guy now within our ranks that shows a lot of aggression and who would run through a brick wall for you if he had to.
 

Johns Magic

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Im still dirty we let go of White and Royal, they would have been on stuff all money and now we will sit back and watch them perform well for some other team when it could of been ours.

White was a loss.

Royal I couldn't give a stuff about. Defined mediocrity.
 

BG

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White was a loss.

Royal I couldn't give a stuff about. Defined mediocrity.


Disagree. Royal the better player imho. White can bend the line but Royal often breeches it, busts more tackles and has a bit of footwork. And where Royal really wins out is that he has one of the best offloads going around; White has minimal ball skills. I don't rate either as anything special in defence.
 

Johns Magic

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Disagree. Royal the better player imho. White can bend the line but Royal can breech it, busts more tackles and has a bit of footwork. And where Royal really wins out is that he has one of the best offloads going around; White has minimal ball skills. I don't rate either as anything special in defence.

Sorry, a starting front-rower that averages 80 metres a game over a whole season is dead average to me.

The undeserved love for Royal on here was nauseating.
 

antonius

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I like Cross and Tolar starting, both have been good in the trials hard and uncompromising (Tolar is under rated by a lot on here) I'm really hoping Cross can stay fit this year. Our bench whilst not the best holds it's own with most in the comp. Yep I was sorry to see White go, we haven't seen the best of him yet. Royal will struggle to get into the Warriors first grade team.
 

reginald.p

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Tolar is ordinary worst number 8 in the comp why did we keep him but let go almost every other forward at the club? Would of much rather have kept White he can at least make an impact when he hits the ball up.
 

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