Lockyer Lovefest

[Fingerbang]

Well....I for one have never been a Queensland or Broncos fan, but enjoyed every memorable moment of watching Locky play. Amazing talent, and amazing career. I rate him at almost a Wally Lewis level. I will miss watching him after this year.

 

[blaza88z]

Darren Lockyer, our national captain, made a comment so derogatory, that he was forced to apologise to the Bulldogs and revoke the comment he made. As I said mate, I had no problem with him up until that point, and I still would have no problem with him now had he not said it in the first place. That aside, I'm sure if someone from any other club said something like that about the Broncos you wouldn't be too thrilled about it either.

oh you poor thing, you must be devastated

 

[pennywisealfie]

Darren Lockyer, our national captain, made a comment so derogatory, that he was forced to apologise to the Bulldogs and revoke the comment he made. As I said mate, I had no problem with him up until that point, and I still would have no problem with him now had he not said it in the first place. That aside, I'm sure if someone from any other club said something like that about the Broncos you wouldn't be too thrilled about it either.

and if i made quotes about karma and shit, i would expect backlash as well.

 

[GongPanther]

Forget the Lockyer hating and the Lockyer gloating.

In Lockyer's next match,appreciate that we might not see the likes of him for a while and just enjoy the event that his next game will give us.

I like it when great players are on the verge of retirement to a point were we all can,at this time,appreciate for the player that he is and to savour the moment(s).

 

[THE CHAMP]

Darren Lockyer, our national captain, made a comment so derogatory, that he was forced to apologise to the Bulldogs and revoke the comment he made. As I said mate, I had no problem with him up until that point, and I still would have no problem with him now had he not said it in the first place. That aside, I'm sure if someone from any other club said something like that about the Broncos you wouldn't be too thrilled about it either.

It was a joke you f**kwit not a comment.
Pretty bluddy funny one too.
Try to relax the doggies will come good sooner or later.

 

[Fingerbang]

It was a joke you f**kwit not a comment.
Pretty bluddy funny one too.
Try to relax the doggies will come good sooner or later.

Besides, there was a Raper that played for the Dogs / Berries

 

[Rod]

I have pretty much grown up watching Lockyer as I started watching league around about the time his career started (or a couple of years before that but I can't remember the early years that well). Anyway I have enjoyed his career, he has been a great player, has achieved some great milestones and deserves a good send-off.

That said, let's get a bit of perspective here. Locky has basically been in cruise control mode for about the last 3-4 years. Players like Marshall and Thurston do things on almost a weekly basis that amaze me that Lockyer, bar a couple of clutch plays in GP and the like, hasn't really done since about 2006. The effect guys like the two above have on a game compared to Lockyer is huge IMO. To me suggesting we won't see another player like him for some time is a bit OTT. We have already seen them. IMHO Thurston, Smith, and maybe a couple of others (eg. Marshall) will finish their careers as better players than Lockyer and them retiring is only about 5 years away.

As I said, don't get me wrong, Lockyer has achieved some great things in his career, but let's not confuse longevity and milestones with overall greatness. You could probably even argue that at no point in Lockyer's career has he been the best in the game except maybe 2006. IMO Johns had the mantle from the late 90's until the middle of last decade, and then Thurston and Smith have probably shared the title since around 06/07. How can you be considered the greatest of your era/generation/all-time when there have been guys playing at the same time who are better than you?

 

[gUt]

All fair points Rod. However longevity must be a contributing factor, along with everything else, in determining a player's "greatness".

Also don't discount Lockyer's effect on the likes of Smith, Thurston et al. By being exposed to him at Qld training, he has passed on some of what it takes to become the great players they are, just as the likes of Walters and Langer did for Lockyer in turn.

 

[Fingerbang]

And a bit rough mentioning Benji as an equal to Lockyer. He is a long way short of that. And doubt he will ever reach those heights as well.

And I don't care if he punches me in the face for saying that.....tis true.

 

[THE CHAMP]

And a bit rough mentioning Benji as an equal to Lockyer. He is a long way short of that. And doubt he will ever reach those heights as well.

And I don't care if he punches me in the face for saying that.....tis true.

Christ i agree with you. I may need to see a specialist.

 

[dogslife]

That said, let's get a bit of perspective here. Locky has basically been in cruise control mode for about the last 3-4 years. Players like Marshall and Thurston do things on almost a weekly basis that amaze me that Lockyer, bar a couple of clutch plays in GP and the like, hasn't really done since about 2006. The effect guys like the two above have on a game compared to Lockyer is huge IMO. To me suggesting we won't see another player like him for some time is a bit OTT. We have already seen them. IMHO Thurston, Smith, and maybe a couple of others (eg. Marshall) will finish their careers as better players than Lockyer and them retiring is only about 5 years away.

As I said, don't get me wrong, Lockyer has achieved some great things in his career, but let's not confuse longevity and milestones with overall greatness. You could probably even argue that at no point in Lockyer's career has he been the best in the game except maybe 2006. IMO Johns had the mantle from the late 90's until the middle of last decade, and then Thurston and Smith have probably shared the title since around 06/07. How can you be considered the greatest of your era/generation/all-time when there have been guys playing at the same time who are better than you?

This. People seem to forget Andrew Johns, who revolutionised the game in a way that Lockyer hasn't. Andrew Johns was a better player than Darren Lockyer, and I'll go so far as to say when he retired Thurston took his mantle as best player in the world. I'll go further and say Cameron Smith has taken that mantle the last couple of years. Certain gimps on these forums seem to think that Lockyer is God, not quite. As I said before he has been a great player, had a tremendous career and deserves a special send off. When we delay the start of a game so we can spend 20 minutes going through Locky's childhood home in Roma to reminisc about him kicking the footy around with his brothers, perhaps we've gone over the top. But I've made my point ad nauseum, and fully expect 100000 angry pissed off redneck responses. Cue the music

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Joey Johns...........

God.........


The Rest....................


Seriously. He's the best footballer I've ever seen. Easily. Won games on his own.

 

[THE CHAMP]

Joey Johns...........

God.........


The Rest....................


Seriously. He's the best footballer I've ever seen. Easily. Won games on his own.

Johns was a better footballer than he is a commentator ill give him that but is not in Lockyers class when it comes to sheer brilliance.
Remember Lockyer played two positions at the top level. Dominated in both by the way.

 

[pennywisealfie]

ugh. Lockyer vs Johns again. why bother. we have had the argument a million times. Haters eat dick, people who respect Locky, keep representin.

 

[Fingerbang]

Both champion players. Who gives a rats which one is / was better. They both deserve every accolade the got / get.

I am still in shock that some people see Benji as comparable to either of them. Cam and Thurston.....yes, but Benji? :crazy:

 

[Rod]

Also don't discount Lockyer's effect on the likes of Smith, Thurston et al. By being exposed to him at Qld training, he has passed on some of what it takes to become the great players they are, just as the likes of Walters and Langer did for Lockyer in turn.

That's a fair point, I guess there's no reliable way for us fans on the outside to gauge those sorts of things is there.

I wasn't trying to turns this into Johns v Lockyer, I was just using Johns as an example for the point I was making.

I am still in shock that some people see Benji as comparable to either of them. Cam and Thurston.....yes, but Benji? :crazy:

If you read carefully I said Marshall may reach that level where he is talked about with the others (Smith etc). For the last two years he's been close to the best in the game, if he can keep this sort of form up by the time he retires he will be up there.

 

[gUt]

This. People seem to forget Andrew Johns, who revolutionised the game in a way that Lockyer hasn't. Andrew Johns was a better player than Darren Lockyer, and I'll go so far as to say when he retired Thurston took his mantle as best player in the world. I'll go further and say Cameron Smith has taken that mantle the last couple of years. Certain gimps on these forums seem to think that Lockyer is God, not quite. As I said before he has been a great player, had a tremendous career and deserves a special send off. When we delay the start of a game so we can spend 20 minutes going through Locky's childhood home in Roma to reminisc about him kicking the footy around with his brothers, perhaps we've gone over the top. But I've made my point ad nauseum, and fully expect 100000 angry pissed off redneck responses. Cue the music

At the risk of being an angry redneck or whatever other tired old cliche you want to regurgitate, Lockyer DID revolutionize the role of the modern fullback. There may have been ballplaying fullbacks before Locky, but he turned fullback into a ballplayer's position.

Your hero Johns has said as much himself.

Johns was a brilliant player, the best halfback of his generation and arguably of all time, apart from Kimmorley and Toovey if the NSW selectors are to be believed. What exactly did he "revolutionize"? I mean Alf got the rules about tackling changed just for him; what rule was changed for Johns? Lockyer opened coaches' eyes as to how a fullback could be fully used in attack. How did Johns change what a halfback's role was in the game?

 

[gUt]

That's a fair point, I guess there's no reliable way for us fans on the outside to gauge those sorts of things is there.

We can only listen to what they themselves say. It's all in Lockyer's autobiography.

 

[Generalzod]

Joey is the best player I've ever seen.

 

[Joker's Wild]

At the risk of furthering the Joey v Heather debate

- Joey proved that halfbacks didnt have to be speed bumps in defence. Any forward that ran at Joey new about it.
- He brought the "banana kick" into the game. Noone before him could use it with such potency close to the line.
- The 40/20 was arguably brought in to exploit the deep corner kicking Joey was so good at
- Joey played both in the backs and the forwards at rep level

Suggesting he had little impact on the role of a halfback is pretty ignorant champ

Edit: Alfie, as great as he was, was a little trip merchant in defence. Suggesting the rule changes made to stop him from doing this as a positive is ludicrous.