LOL @ Roosters

[m0j0]

I was shocked when I heard the news this morning. I can't defend this action. Utterly stupid. I hope either it's a media beat-up (which doesn't sound likely) or they come to their senses and drop the whole thing.
I've been travelling from the Central Coast to Sydney to work for over 8 years now as have thousands of others, and it's not like they have to live that far away. I'm a little embarrassed to be a Roosters fan today.
The salary cap should be the same for all teams.

 

[Rooster Cogburn.]

Gallop wishes that 14 other clubs were as professional as the Roosters.

 

[Rooster Cogburn.]

Let's just promote mediocrity.

 

[Nuffy]

So the chooks like being in the centre of the largest city in Australia and all the additional sponsorship and 3rd party benefits that flow on from that but they now want salary cap concessions on top of that.

Have they no shame, first the PL / JF salary caps are removed so they can stack their club with everyone elses juniors, and stockpile players.

As a matter of interest, what NRL board member submitted that nice proposal?

Now they want salary cap concessions, to this point it hasn't harmed them assembling perhaps the best roster in the NRL, I would have thought regional teams deserved salary cap concessions before the chooks as the eastern suburbs is a pretty nice place to live.

It seems the chooks are hell bent on manipulating anything and everything to ensure they get an advantage.

The sooner the NRL puts them in their place the better.

Oh I forgot what does the NRL stand for? National Roosters League.

 

[DJ1]

Sounds like the Roosters are proposing some sort of elite competition, you could call it "Super League".

Do yo think Canterbury would have lost a clubman like Price if it wasnt for the Cap level, and teh NZ exchange?

Yes, his wife and sons wanted to move away from Sydney.

Club men like Ricko and Price, should NOT HAVE A CAP ON THEIR HEADS.

Concessions for junior development and length of tenure are a different issue to a concession to live at Rose Bay.

The cap needs to stay, but it certainly needs a decent raise.

The cap has moved from $3.25M in 1999 to $3.6M in 2005 due to inclusions of the Sponsorship Servicing Allowance, Long Serving Player Allowance and movement on the baseline itself. Combine this with the new "Unlimited" secondary cap and there has been a "decent" rise in the cap.

As for an Elite comp....it was 12 teams top 5 about 30 years before Super League, but you DJ1 werent even born then. And it worked well too. League was better then than it is now....no 60 point floggings.

I've been watching league for over 30 years and you must be referring to the amateur local Sydney comp that was in place under the NSWRL at the time. If you belive that it was so much better, don't watch the NRL and only attend the Jim Beam Cup.

 

[lotm]

It seems like a fair enough request to me. The Roosters have had to play behind the eight-ball for too long.

Hopefully this could even things up a little.

:lol:

but seriously, those asking for the abolishment of the cap don't understand what it's for, and don't understand what's best for the game.

 

[taxidriver]

My Take - The Roosters don't want the concession. They know the claim is frivolous and laughable and bound to be rejected thus setting up a nice little precedent when anyone else applies on more meritorious grounds.

Another instance of screw the game, we are looking after ourselves.

Good on them for trying but the counter is that they have become not the laughing stock (as some of you say) but the most hated team in my memory of the competition.

The salary cap is the very thing that enabled the Roosters to succeed, they know this and also know that when the cycle turns it will cause them to have their turn at the bottom. That's why they are doing everything possible to undermine it. Arrogance and hypocrisy at its best.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

In a 12 team comp, crowds would average 20k

What do you base that on?

The fact that the supporters of the 5 teams that would be gone would be alienated?

The fact that the last time we had 12 teams the crowd average was 8,600?

Absolutely amazing. Cut 5 teams and expect their supporters to follow someone else.

They will follow someone else, the Waratahs or the bloody Swans.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I think back to the 1980's show on Foxtel the other night and how Mick Cronin lived in Gerringong and played for Parramatta. And he wasn't paid a fortune to play.

Yet the Rooster players are finding it hard to live in Bondi Junction or Vaucluse.

Move to a cheaper area you dumbarses.

 

[oro]

Reduce the salary cap to $2.75m.

Discount the salaries of geniune local juniors (not juniors poached from other clubs, Queensland or regional areas) who make Origin or Australian teams by 50% under the salary cap.

Introduce an external draft and transfer fees (to be included in the cap)

Introduce minimum junior league team numbers as a mandatory requirement for a licence in the NRL.

This will create a level playing field and provide a strong incentive for clubs to invest in their junior leagues.

 

[alive103]

As for the area, well yeah it's expensive to live. I rented a one bedroom unit in Bondi Junction and that was $400 p/w. So even the rent is ridiculous.

I wonder why the rent would be $400 per week..... The loan interest payments per month on a $400,000 property are close to $2000 per month.

Don't 3 Roosters players and a Tigers player live in the same house? Can't they afford a toaster?

I hope all employers out there who have employees in the Eastern Suburbs are listening to this because this could be revolutionary. Paying people on the basis of where they live and most of them don't even live there. These poor footballers on over $100K a year need a pay rise... :roll: Tell that to people out there on $40-50k a year with a mortgage and kids getting by.

Last time I checked it is relatively inexpensive to live in Leichhardt, Maroubra and Brighton as well but Balmain, Souths and Saints aren't whinging.

If the Roosters are so professional, why are they asking for the increase? Why don't they buy a block of units, rent out the rooms to their players at undervalued prices and run a charter bus to training. That's probably what you do for your Jersey Flegg kids who collectively are paid about 5-6 times more than their nearest club.

 

[Rooster Cogburn.]

I think back to the 1980's show on Foxtel the other night and how Mick Cronin lived in Gerringong and played for Parramatta. And he wasn't paid a fortune to play.

Yet the Rooster players are finding it hard to live in Bondi Junction or Vaucluse.

Move to a cheaper area you dumbarses.

Parramatta paid for a chopper to transport Cronin around. As far as the crowds are concerned. Having a 12 team comp would mean the talent would be more evenly distributed, the games would be better and as a result the crowds would be bigger.

 

[Rooster Cogburn.]

If the Roosters are so professional, why are they asking for the increase? Why don't they buy a block of units, rent out the rooms to their players at undervalued prices and run a charter bus to training. That's probably what you do for your Jersey Flegg kids who collectively are paid about 5-6 times more than their nearest club.

The Roosters did buy a block of flats in Bondi for some of their players to live in.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

They didn't chopper him in for every match or training session. It was very occasionally. Christ, he drove 99% of the time.

Stop making this shit up as you go along coggie.

And you can't distribute people to League matches who don't go to League matches.

How many of the so called "weaker clubs" supporters would continue following the NRL competition?

Sweet f**k all, that's how many.

 

[Big Mick]

Sounds like the Roosters are proposing some sort of elite competition, you could call it "Super League".

Do yo think Canterbury would have lost a clubman like Price if it wasnt for the Cap level, and teh NZ exchange?

hehehehe.

5 cents makes so much difference.

 

[melon....]

Sounds like the Roosters are proposing some sort of elite competition, you could call it "Super League".

Do yo think Canterbury would have lost a clubman like Price if it wasnt for the Cap level, and teh NZ exchange?

Yes, his wife and sons wanted to move away from Sydney.

Club men like Ricko and Price, should NOT HAVE A CAP ON THEIR HEADS.

Concessions for junior development and length of tenure are a different issue to a concession to live at Rose Bay.

The cap needs to stay, but it certainly needs a decent raise.

The cap has moved from $3.25M in 1999 to $3.6M in 2005 due to inclusions of the Sponsorship Servicing Allowance, Long Serving Player Allowance and movement on the baseline itself. Combine this with the new "Unlimited" secondary cap and there has been a "decent" rise in the cap.

As for an Elite comp....it was 12 teams top 5 about 30 years before Super League, but you DJ1 werent even born then. And it worked well too. League was better then than it is now....no 60 point floggings.

I've been watching league for over 30 years and you must be referring to the amateur local Sydney comp that was in place under the NSWRL at the time. If you belive that it was so much better, don't watch the NRL and only attend the Jim Beam Cup.

Did they have to move to NZ? No. The money talked. Money Canterbury has, but was not ALLOWED to spend. Restraint of Trade yet again.

Concessions for length of tenure would mean Ricko could get what he deserved, and the Cap wouldnt strain the club as much allowing for a little extra to be given to the players, who may live in the Easts NOT out of choice but out of NECESSITY. NECESSITY toIt has everything to do with being close to the club and training facilities of the club.


Where on Earth do you get "Unlimited" Salary cap. The Roosters are reported to be asking for 200K. Hardly unlimited.

And finally, the day a Canterbury supporter lectures anyone on the virtues of teh Cap, is the day hypocrisy rules the world. You are in no position to comment on the cap, thanks to your club.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

It's bullshit anyway.

Check the AFL forums at bigfooty, their allowances to clubs outside AFL heartland are threatening to tear the game apart. Why do you think that Brisbane have won the last 3 comps?

No salary cap = NO NRL. We'd go back to the good old days because the Jim Beam Cup would be the premier competition.

But we'd still beat the Poms.

 

[alive103]

If the Roosters are so professional, why are they asking for the increase? Why don't they buy a block of units, rent out the rooms to their players at undervalued prices and run a charter bus to training. That's probably what you do for your Jersey Flegg kids who collectively are paid about 5-6 times more than their nearest club.

The Roosters did buy a block of flats in Bondi for some of their players to live in.

Did they make a TV series? They could have supplemented their income that way!! :lol:

 

[DJ1]

Sounds like the Roosters are proposing some sort of elite competition, you could call it "Super League".

Do yo think Canterbury would have lost a clubman like Price if it wasnt for the Cap level, and teh NZ exchange?

Yes, his wife and sons wanted to move away from Sydney.

Club men like Ricko and Price, should NOT HAVE A CAP ON THEIR HEADS.

Concessions for junior development and length of tenure are a different issue to a concession to live at Rose Bay.

The cap needs to stay, but it certainly needs a decent raise.

The cap has moved from $3.25M in 1999 to $3.6M in 2005 due to inclusions of the Sponsorship Servicing Allowance, Long Serving Player Allowance and movement on the baseline itself. Combine this with the new "Unlimited" secondary cap and there has been a "decent" rise in the cap.

As for an Elite comp....it was 12 teams top 5 about 30 years before Super League, but you DJ1 werent even born then. And it worked well too. League was better then than it is now....no 60 point floggings.

I've been watching league for over 30 years and you must be referring to the amateur local Sydney comp that was in place under the NSWRL at the time. If you belive that it was so much better, don't watch the NRL and only attend the Jim Beam Cup.

Did they have to move to NZ? No. The money talked. Money Canterbury has, but was not ALLOWED to spend. Restraint of Trade yet again.

Didn't have to move to NZ but out of Sydney. The Dogs could not change that even with more cash.

Concessions for length of tenure would mean Ricko could get what he deserved, and the Cap wouldnt strain the club as much allowing for a little extra to be given to the players, who may live in the Easts NOT out of choice but out of NECESSITY. NECESSITY toIt has everything to do with being close to the club and training facilities of the club.

If it's putting so much pressure on the club, wouldn't such an astute businessman like Politis simply buy a training venue outside of the Eastern Suburbs. Problem solved! Next point on the agenda.

Where on Earth do you get "Unlimited" Salary cap. The Roosters are reported to be asking for 200K. Hardly unlimited.

This was changed by the NRL Partnership Committee to an unlimited cap outside NRL players. How on earth do you think you were able to buy your Jersey Flegg and Premier League teams?

The Salary Cap has in fact risen substantially since its introduction in 1998. In that year the Salary Cap was $3.25million for the Top 25 players and $500,000 for all players outside of the Top 25 regardless whether they played in the NRL.

As well as the $3.25million the previously mentioned allowances for 'long serving players' and 'new sponsorship money' have taken the available spending per Club to $3.55million. In addition, payments for players outside the Top 25 have been relaxed. Previously, Clubs could only offer $500,000 in contracts to their Second Tier players regardless of whether they were fielded in the NRL.

Currently, Clubs can spend as much as they can afford on development and recruitment of future players. They are however restricted to a $300,000 Cap for Second Tier players who take part in the NRL side that year. The end result of this has been to allow Clubs greater scope to invest in young players without being restricted by the Salary Cap.

This change clearly advantages your club over others which bear the costs of a junior infrastructure.

 

[SaintArsenal]

What happens if you are a Roosters player and you don't live in Bondi?
Do you still get subsidised?
Or do you only have to be a rugby league player living in the eastern suburbs to benifit?