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andrew057

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But Pete Wood, who runs Arsenal fans’ website Le Grove, said: “It’s just amazing that we’ve spent the whole summer trying to buy Gary Cahill or Chris Samba but have been told that we won’t pay over the odds.

“But we will pay top dollar for a young talent who has been playing in League One?

“I’m sure Oxlade-Chamberlain is going to be a good player, but it leaves you wondering: ‘Where are Arsenal’s priorities?’

“They’ve got a lot of talented young, fast players already - and they need a centre-back. Fan expectation has never been so low.

“Finishing fourth will seem like winning a trophy. It leaves you thinking this will be Wenger’s last season.”
 

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The most important thing in the AOC transfer is context.

Every half decent English established player, and promising youngster can immediately command high transfer fees and subsequent wages, merely because every side needs at least eight of them. Consider this, AOC is regarded by pundits and managers alike (SAF was also after him) as the best young talent in England. Which is the better signing - AOX for an intial 7m, or Jordan Henderson for 20m? This of course depends on ones interpretation of "better". I believe however that AOC will develop into a better player than Henderson.

Yes, AOC may not necessarily be 'the' signing that Arsenal fans wanted, but this deal has been ongoing since last season and I dare say that it wasn't intended to drag on this long. I don't expect it to be Arsenal's last of the window either.

9m for Bendtner is a brilliant deal for Arsenal - considering he has only scored eight goals in two years. Whether he goes to Stoke, Benfica who knows. He is definitely on his way out though.
 

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Crouch has been rumoured to be going to about 3 clubs by the media so god knows where he will end up.

Stoke to play a 4-3-3 with Bendtner, Jones and Crouch up front.

:lol:

I hope Bendtner does go to Stoke - it'll make it easier to hate Stoke even more.
 

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Rumours some of the big Russian clubs going to make an approach for Arshavin. If its the 15mil+ speculated a few weeks ago Wenger would be crazy not to sell him. But given the state of the current squad, not sure he could really let him go.
 

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Rumours some of the big Russian clubs going to make an approach for Arshavin. If its the 15mil+ speculated a few weeks ago Wenger would be crazy not to sell him. But given the state of the current squad, not sure he could really let him go.

It's inevitable that Andrey will return to Russia at some point, especially before he gets too old.

Had we signed Mata, I'd say take the money without thinking twice. Now, maybe not. Depending on how he goes this season, maybe next year.
 

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I wonder what Arshavin does with himself on FM11?

Depends on the formation and tactics etc of course. Naturally he's a CAM. The pace of a winger, the creativity of a CM and the finishing of a striker.

In my Arsenal games he has carved up on the left wing. So too in other games where I've not been managing Arsenal. Both which were totally unrealistic by comparison to his real 2010/2011.

Each to their own I guess.
 

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well the era of Fabregas looks to be at a end finally, hes paid the club 4.4mill to allow him to leave, the fee could reach 40m depending on add ons that include 2 la liga's and 1 Cl in the next 5 years

Arsenal look to re invest with signing of one of my favorite players in Juan Manuel Mata from Valencia for a reported 24mill and Gary Cahill for 12+ add ons
 

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well the era of Fabregas looks to be at a end finally, hes paid the club 4.4mill to allow him to leave, the fee could reach 40m depending on add ons that include 2 la liga's and 1 Cl in the next 5 years

Arsenal look to re invest with signing of one of my favorite players in Juan Manuel Mata from Valencia for a reported 24mill and Gary Cahill for 12+ add ons

Better be more players coming in than that if Nasri goes as well.
 

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I love both players, but if their heart isn't in it, then there's no point them playing for the club.

Nasri's refusal to sign a new contract (trying to stick to facts, not speculation) is an obvious indication that an extra 80,000-100,000 pounds per week is more valued than respect and loyalty.

I was initially against selling him, but now I'm all four it. Why rob a player such as Ramsey, who loves the club a spot in the starting team by playing someone who'd rather be someone else?

Plus, the obvious financial incentives will allow a further investment in new talent....Hopefully.

Regardless of the situation, who stays or goes, who Arsenal might or aren't signing, I'm just glad that finally the actual football is two sleeps away. Then all of this nonsense will become secondary.
 

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So in theory we have made 7mill from Clichy? I believe it was around that, 9 mill from Bendtner, 35-40 from Fabregas, 22 from Nasri. That's roughly 78 mill this transfer period. Now I don't know how much we spent on our 3 signings thus far but surely we can get atleast 3-4 more top class players.

We're not the Cronulla Sharks, we're not scrapeing the barrell for financial survival. Why the hell aren't we spending more?
 

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Well three out of the four above transfers haven't actually occurred yet.

I expect more business to be concluded within the next three weeks - regardless of who is sold.

If Nasri and Fabregas are sold, who would be the replacements? Keep in mind, bringing in players without allowing them proper time to blend with the squad will lead to disjointed and potentially unsuccessful performances.

Gourcuff or Hamsik would be high on my list.
 

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So in theory we have made 7mill from Clichy? I believe it was around that, 9 mill from Bendtner, 35-40 from Fabregas, 22 from Nasri. That's roughly 78 mill this transfer period. Now I don't know how much we spent on our 3 signings thus far but surely we can get atleast 3-4 more top class players.

We're not the Cronulla Sharks, we're not scrapeing the barrell for financial survival. Why the hell aren't we spending more?

Well the season Arsenal sold Adebayor and Toure for a combined 42mil, they bought Vermaelen for 10.5mil and that was it.

It's a joke, no wonder theres been no trophies.
 

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Well the season Arsenal sold Adebayor and Toure for a combined 42mil, they bought Vermaelen for 10.5mil and that was it.

It's a joke, no wonder theres been no trophies.

Expenditure doesn't mean trophies.

Since their takeover City have spent what, between five hundred and a billion pounds on players and what has it achieved? One FA Cup in three seasons.

Tottenham have spent more than Arsenal over the past five years and all they've won is the League Cup.

Even Villa spent 20-30m last season and nearly were relegated.

I'm all for investing in players, but they need to be the right players. Players who exceed the level of our current player/s in that position, and who are within a reasonable price-range. The definition of the latter is open to speculation and interpretation, but my definition of a "reasonable price range" for example is not spending 15+m on players like Santa Cruz. Not spending 300m pounds on strikers when your team players with one striker. Not spending 50m pounds on a striker when you already have two of the best in the league (Torres). The list could be easily continued, but I'm sure you get my point.
 

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Expenditure doesn't mean trophies.

Since their takeover City have spent what, between five hundred and a billion pounds on players and what has it achieved? One FA Cup in three seasons.


Works both ways though. How much money have ManU and Chelsea spent? Their expenditure has equalled trophies.

But the point still stands, Arsenal sell two quality players and replace them with Vermaelen which was good and replace Ade with? Chamakh?
 

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Well three out of the four above transfers haven't actually occurred yet.

I expect more business to be concluded within the next three weeks - regardless of who is sold.

If Nasri and Fabregas are sold, who would be the replacements? Keep in mind, bringing in players without allowing them proper time to blend with the squad will lead to disjointed and potentially unsuccessful performances.

Gourcuff or Hamsik would be high on my list.

Hazard from Lille, Mata from Valencia.
RvP to drop in Cesc position, Gervinho to go upfront.

Your first team will be fine, its your squad i would be worried about.


You have just opened talks for Defender Scott Dann from Birmingham.
 

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Cesc sold to Barca.

Is he officially the world's most expensive bench player of all-time? I hope they use fine oak to make ther benches in Catalunya because he'll want to get comfy to watch all the key matches.

If Arsenal use this money to sign Mata and Gary Cahill then they'll be a better team IMO.
 

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Works both ways though. How much money have ManU and Chelsea spent? Their expenditure has equalled trophies.

But the point still stands, Arsenal sell two quality players and replace them with Vermaelen which was good and replace Ade with? Chamakh?

United rarely splurge for the sake of it. Their purchases over the past few seasons have been to replace players sold, retired or youngsters for depth - Young, De Gea, Jones, and Hernandez.

Chelsea, whilst they were sporadic in spending in the beginning of Roman's rule, I believe they've eased off by comparison.

There's no doubt that you need to invest in players to be successful. Anyone who disputes this is a moron. But splurging on players merely because there's money available is reckless, irresponsible and can backfire. Look no further than City for an example of this. Players who aren't even training with the first team would almost all walk into the starting squads of most EPL teams - Adebawh*re, Santa Cruz, Bellamy, Bridge, SWP and A.Johnson. That's roughly 100m worth of talent, and substantially more in wages, rotting away in the reserves.

City of course are on the extreme side of things, but are a prime example of spending money for the sake of it doesn't always work.

I want Arsene to spend 50m on new players just as much as everyone else, but the players must be better than our current squad.

Dzagoev would be another one high on my list. Young, extremely talented and 'cheap' by EPL standards - 12m.
 

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Hazard from Lille, Mata from Valencia.
RvP to drop in Cesc position, Gervinho to go upfront.

Your first team will be fine, its your squad i would be worried about.


You have just opened talks for Defender Scott Dann from Birmingham.

Hazard or Mata would be brilliant. Both deadly on the left and far, far better than our available players.

As you said, our XI is fine. Not brilliant, but good enough to push for the title. The problem is that when Vermaelen, RvP, Fabregas, Nasri or Walcott are injured, we lack the depth to bring in suitable replacements.

I'm a fan of Dann (rap verse?). Young, tenacious and tough. He'd be cheap and Home-Grown. He wouldn't be starting XI, but a decent squad player. With Bartley on loan at Rangers, Miquel still raw and Squillaci having a lot to prove, Dann would be a good addition imo.

Lots of reports stating that Enrique will sit a medical at Anfield within the next 24 hours. Disappointing as I thought he'd look brilliant in London red.
 
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