LU Arsenal Brigade II

[boxhead]

Vermaelen is no Hummels, I don't know enough about those other players to comment but Bunniesderp's comment is again ridiculous.
And RVP is not Arjen Robben, that is only debatable because Robben is rarely fit.

 

[BunniesMan]

Vermaelen is no Hummels, I don't know enough about those other players to comment but Bunniesderp's comment is again ridiculous.
And RVP is not Arjen Robben, that is only debatable because Robben is rarely fit.

Vermaelen does everything Hummels does, but in a much tougher and faster league.

And if you debate that, it's common knowledge that the Premier League is the most difficult league for centrebacks.

As well as being defensively superior, Vermaelen is more of a goalthreat than Hummels is.

 

[boxhead]

Vermaelen does everything Hummels does, but in a much tougher and faster league.

And if you debate that, it's common knowledge that the Premier League is the most difficult league for centrebacks.

As well as being defensively superior, Vermaelen is more of a goalthreat than Hummels is.

#-o
How many times have you watched Hummels?
Because clearly you have NFI what you are talking about.

 

[BunniesMan]

#-o
How many times have you watched Hummels?
Because clearly you have NFI what you are talking about.

Great CB in the Bundesliga compared to great CB proven in the Premier League. I know which I'd take.

As for the other part of my point, being goalthreats. Hummels is pretty good for a CB but he's no Verminator.

11 goals in 98 games for Hummels. 9 goals in 44 games for Verm.

 

[boxhead]

Great CB in the Bundesliga compared to great CB proven in the Premier League. I know which I'd take.

As for the other part of my point, being goalthreats. Hummels is pretty good for a CB but he's no Verminator.

11 goals in 98 games for Hummels. 9 goals in 44 games for Verm.

Right, so your only justification that Vermaelan is apparently better than Hummels is the differences in the leagues?
Well, that must mean Arteta is better than Gotze, that RVP is better than Messi.
Moron.
Yep, as goals scored is a huge indication of how good a defender is :lol:

 

[cb4]

1. We drew against Fulham? You say it like it's significant? Barca LOST this week. They must be shit.
2. As for Ozil and Gotze. Ozil is 23, Gotze is 19. Ozil is a excellent player but IMO Gotze is more talented and will go further. Whether or not he goes to Arsenal (although playing under Wenger would do wonders for him).

We'll see...hopefully the lottery gods are nice to us and put us in a quarter final with you.

The very same that you wanted sacked at the beginning of the season?

 

[BunniesMan]

Right, so your only justification that Vermaelan is apparently better than Hummels is the differences in the leagues?
Well, that must mean Arteta is better than Gotze, that RVP is better than Messi.
Moron.
Yep, as goals scored is a huge indication of how good a defender is :lol:

Firstly I've been talking specifically about the difference between the leagues for CENTREBACKS. The difference is more pronounced there than at other positions. I've read numerous players who've played in England as well as other countries talk about the difference.

Being a central defender in England is harder than anywhere else on the planet. So I'd take a great defender from England before I'd take a great defender from Germany. It's a lot harder to be a great CB in the former.

And I didn't say goals scored was a "huge indication", just another facet of the game where Vermaelen is superior.

The very same that you wanted sacked at the beginning of the season?

I did want him sacked. But not because of his player development skills. IMO he's second to none in that area. I wanted him sacked because of his failings in the transfer market. In the last two years we had a chance to get Eden Hazard, Mario Gotze, Gary Cahill and Phil Jones all for money we could have afforded.

Phil Jones was available for $10m in January...6 months before SAF got him for $16m (and he described 16 as a bargain).

That's why I was upset with Wenger and wanted him gone. But his player development ability has never been questioned. In fact, if Nasri and Clichy go on to become failures at City like I expect them to, it'll be only further proof of his genius in that area.

Now if only he combined that genius with a little more selective aggressiveness in the transfer market, we'd be right.

 

[CC_Eagle]

In fact, if Nasri and Clichy go on to become failures at City like I expect them to, it'll be only further proof of his genius in that area.

I have no doubt that both Na$ri and Clichy will win silverware at City. Would they have at Arsenal? Perhaps.

The difference is that at City, they're squad players. Nasri will forever be behind Aguero, Silva, Balotelli and Dzeko in the 'superstar' category. Whereas at Arsenal, both could have been legends. Further enhancing their reputations and legacy.

Whether or not being a squad player, cowering behind the paparazzi flashes surrounding the aforementioned is considered a 'failure', compared to being one of the top players at an equally (if not more) prestigious club, then I have no doubt that their move to City will be a 'failure'.

In business terms, Na$ri's move was brilliant. Who else would pay 20m+ for a player with six to twelve months on his contract.

 

[BunniesMan]

I didn't mean 'failures' in the sense of no trophies. I mean failures in that I don't see them playing at the level they're capable of and at the level Wenger brought out in them.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

It's sickening that this guy will read Wikipedia, play FIFA 12 and pretend that he has knowledge on football when he doesn't even watch the players he pretends to know about.

 

[BunniesMan]

It's sickening that this guy will read Wikipedia, play FIFA 12 and pretend that he has knowledge on football when he doesn't even watch the players he pretends to know about.

And how often do you watch the premier league? There's only so much football a bloke can watch at once.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Usually I watch the late saturday game live if it doesn't clash with BL and catch some of the monday morning game live but lucky for me the EPL is replayed all day every second or third day so plenty of oppurtunity for a replay or if I have to an IQ. If there's a big game on I'll watch it live or IQ it but I don't waste my time with games like Blackburn v Wigan or Norwich v Swansea.

I watch a lot more La Liga than I do EPL though if I'm being honest, better timing for me.

How much BL or Ligue 1 do you watch? f**k all I'm betting.

 

[boxhead]

Bunniesderp, that is the most sickeningly stupid logic I have ever heard.
So you ignore the personal qualities of each player defensively and as an excuse label them both top defenders in their respective leagues to say one is better than the other regardless of the unique qualities of each player?
Again, following your logic, Vermaelan must be better than Piqué, Puyol, Lucio, etc.
You assume the differences in leagues automatically equate to one player being better than the other.
Again with the "firstly, secondly" crap, your undignified attempts at displaying some form of intelligence are laughable.
What is next, Koscielny is better than Subotic?

And actually, the comments about the other players was fair as it was a method of exposing the overwhelming adequacy of your thesis.

 

[andrew057]

Vermaelan must be better than Piqué, Puyol, Lucio, etc.

Correct.

 

[CC_Eagle]

In all honestly, there aren't many CB's I'd have over Verm.

He has it all : Leadership, aggression, terrific vision and great on the ball and strong in the air.

Unbelievable when you consider he was only 11m.

 

[BunniesMan]

Dissapointing losing but positives are to be found. We a) lighten up our schedule now and b) Frimpong reportedly put Nasri in his place in the tunnel for being a golddigging traitor.

Should be given the captaincy.

Chamberlain was outstanding. Another future star in the making. IMO he could become even better than Walcott.

But what we're lacking most is a genuine scoring threat not named Robin. Our midfield can control the game against the best. Our defense is so much better with Verm back. It's that 2nd striker that is the problem.

 

[Sean18]

Why didn't RvP play?

 

[BunniesMan]

As Wenger likes to say, he was "in the red". They monitor players fatigue levels with super high tech stuff, satellite tracking how much they run at training etc etc etc and Van persie was one of about 3 players "in the red", meaning an injury was likely in the near future if they weren't rested.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Anyone from FIFA 12 take your fancy to help RVP?

 

[BunniesMan]

Anyone from FIFA 12 take your fancy to help RVP?

Podolski would be a good expierienced supersub for when we need goals and to be our spearhead when RVP is rested.

A Gotze-Podolski double raid on the Central European Feeder League (CEFL) in January would be quite nice.