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BunniesMan

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yeh, real bargain, lol

Madrid didn't want Sahin and tried to unload him onto Spurs as part of the Modric deal and we didn't want him

there is a reason that no one wants him so I wouldn't get too excited if you manage to land him
Try reading. "Cazorla" doesn't spell "Sahin".

Cazorla is world class. A huge steal. Sahin if we get him will be a nice addition as a backup midfielder.
 

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Rumours are we're after Sahin and Van der Wiel as well.

you brought him up princess, or cant you read your own dribble

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Try reading. "Cazorla" doesn't spell "Sahin".

Cazorla is world class. A huge steal. Sahin if we get him will be a nice addition as a backup midfielder.

his team were relegated and other clubs weren't exactly knocking the door down to get him, if he was a steal you wouldn't have paid so much for him

I don't even recall anyone else bidding for him

real bargain
 

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No one else bid for him because no one else needed him. Chelsea have brought almost every CAM on the market, United have got Kagawa and are busy throwing 30 million at a Lucas while City don't need anyone.

The Milan clubs are too poor and the only German club that could afford him didn't want him.

It also helps that we snuck under the radar while Malaga were dealing with the their financial problems. By the time anyone had heard about it Cazorla had already decided he wanted to come to Arsenal.

The only reason Cazorla doesn't play consistently for Spain is because of Iniesta. He's been described as the best player in Spain not playing for Barca and Real. Four years ago he turned down an offer from Madrid because he wanted to stay at Villareal.

Only last year he was went for 19mill pounds and went on to have a great season. He was the fourth highest rated player in La Liga (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/20...5577/PlayerStatistics/Spain-La-Liga-2011-2012) and only Ozil, Messi and Navas created more goal scoring chances with 84 (@OptaJoe).

You barely know what you're talking about.

his team were relegated and other clubs weren't exactly knocking the door down to get him, if he was a steal you wouldn't have paid so much for him

He played for Malaga last season. Villareal got relegated after he left them. While Malaga finished in the top 4 and in a CL spot.

You must be really sweating now. Who have you signed? A player on loan at Swansea last season whom you had to fight Liverpool off to get and Vergonthen who we have been flirting with for years but isn't as good as what we've got so never made a bid. It took our worst start to a season and your best for you to even be close to finishing above us and now we have are having the best window we have had in years.
 

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Getting Sahin would be the cherry on top, when everyone back it could be

------ Sahin------Arteta-----

Wilshere-----Cazorla-------Podolski
--------------RVP--------
 

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I'd prefer Wilshere centrally and Cazorla wide.

Wilshere grew up playing CAM whereas Cazorla played wing quite a bit for Malaga last season. Cazorla is versatile as f**k though so can really play any of those positions but striker.

This time next year we could be looking at:

Sahin/Arteta Cazorla
Ox Wilshere Podolski
RvP

Obviously that's assuming we manage to convince Real to let us buy Sahin outright, Oxlade progresses as he did last season and RvP stays.
 

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No one else bid for him because no one else needed him. Chelsea have brought almost every CAM on the market, United have got Kagawa and are busy throwing 30 million at a Lucas while City don't need anyone.

The Milan clubs are too poor and the only German club that could afford him didn't want him.

It also helps that we snuck under the radar while Malaga were dealing with the their financial problems. By the time anyone had heard about it Cazorla had already decided he wanted to come to Arsenal.

The only reason Cazorla doesn't play consistently for Spain is because of Iniesta. He's been described as the best player in Spain not playing for Barca and Real. Four years ago he turned down an offer from Madrid because he wanted to stay at Villareal.

Only last year he was went for 19mill pounds and went on to have a great season. He was the fourth highest rated player in La Liga (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/20...5577/PlayerStatistics/Spain-La-Liga-2011-2012) and only Ozil, Messi and Navas created more goal scoring chances with 84 (@OptaJoe).

You barely know what you're talking about.



He played for Malaga last season. Villareal got relegated after he left them. While Malaga finished in the top 4 and in a CL spot.

You must be really sweating now. Who have you signed? A player on loan at Swansea last season whom you had to fight Liverpool off to get and Vergonthen who we have been flirting with for years but isn't as good as what we've got so never made a bid. It took our worst start to a season and your best for you to even be close to finishing above us and now we have are having the best window we have had in years.

Arsenal have signed some very good players, no doubt.

But do you really think Spurs are done this window? We've been trying for players like Falcao FFS lol. Also have to laugh at what you say about Sigg and Vertonghen. Both are very highly rated and cheap additions to the squad. Did you watch Swansea last season? He was superb and highly coveted, we stole him out from Liverpool's nose. Vertonghen has been one of the most highly rated young CBs in the past few years, there have been plenty of clubs interested. The reason you don't hear about them is the same reason you mentioned that Cazorla didn't have too many bids either; Vertonghen's heart has been set on Spurs for at least a year now, maybe longer.

Not world class buys but we've still got lots to do, you watch. We've still got (rumoured) potentially Adebayor, Lloris, Leandro, Moutinho amongst others to come in. If we sell Modric as I expect us to we should do some serious recruiting. Adebayor might not be RVP but he was still the 4th best striker in the league last season in terms of goals and assists (I think he was the highest or second highest striker in terms of assists). Lloris is one of the best young goalkeepers going around at the moment. Leandro is a superstar in the making.

Just saying, hold your horses before you say either club's recruitment is done. RVP may still leave you know.....until the window is over, it's all up in the air.
Oh and by the way.....you should be thanking Harry Redknapp you finished above us last season. He completely screwed the team over in the second half of the season. :)
Just more ammunition for us to want to get ahead finally!
 
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BunniesMan

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you brought him up princess, or cant you read your own dribble



his team were relegated and other clubs weren't exactly knocking the door down to get him, if he was a steal you wouldn't have paid so much for him

I don't even recall anyone else bidding for him

real bargain
You were talking about him not being a bargain. I never mentioned Sahin and bargain in the same sentence. So obviously you confused the two.

Another f**k up of yours: he played for Malaga. Malaga came fourth.
 

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Arsenal have signed some very good players, no doubt.

But do you really think Spurs are done this window? We've been trying for players like Falcao FFS lol. Also have to laugh at what you say about Sigg and Vertonghen. Both are very highly rated and cheap additions to the squad. Did you watch Swansea last season? He was superb and highly coveted, we stole him out from Liverpool's nose. Vertonghen has been one of the most highly rated young CBs in the past few years, there have been plenty of clubs interested. The reason you don't hear about them is the same reason you mentioned that Cazorla didn't have too many bids either; Vertonghen's heart has been set on Spurs for at least a year now, maybe longer.

Not world class buys but we've still got lots to do, you watch. We've still got (rumoured) potentially Adebayor, Lloris, Leandro, Moutinho amongst others to come in. If we sell Modric as I expect us to we should do some serious recruiting. Adebayor might not be RVP but he was still the 4th best striker in the league last season in terms of goals and assists (I think he was the highest or second highest striker in terms of assists). Lloris is one of the best young goalkeepers going around at the moment. Leandro is a superstar in the making.

Just saying, hold your horses before you say either club's recruitment is done. RVP may still leave you know.....until the window is over, it's all up in the air.
Oh and by the way.....you should be thanking Harry Redknapp you finished above us last season. He completely screwed the team over in the second half of the season. :)
Just more ammunition for us to want to get ahead finally!

Haha, i didn't think it'd be long for you to come along.

You're not going to get Falcao. It's like Liverpool fans thinking they'll get Cavani.

You might get Damiao but you guys were talking about him in the Jan window saying he was close to signing and it never happened. So i'll believe that one when it happens.

Nope, you're right. Sigurdson was great last season, i'm not going to dispute you on that. I was just replying to Twizzle who seems to think a players quality is proportional to who they are linked with. If it wasn't for you guys Sig would've signed for Liverpool, they're pretty much midtable these days. And not too concerned about Vertonghen. If we wanted him we would have got him years ago.

You're welcome to any of those signings. Adebayor will try for 6 months of the season and lose focus like he did last season/every season and there's a reason Lloris is worth a third of what he once was. Granted I know f**k all about Moutinho, but i think i'm safe in assuming he's not as good as Modric.

Everyone knows you're not done with your spending. But there's what? 9-10 days till the season starts, and you have no recognized strikers? Better get a move on.

I don't expect Van Persie to stay. But we've signed two decent strikers as well as a CAM who will create triple the chances that muppet Ramsey produced. A shit load of things will have to go wrong for us to perform as badly as we did last season. I can't see us repeating the start we had, even if RvP and Theo leave, and i know Arsenal fans say this every season but surely we can't be hit as badly with injuries as we were last year, (Wilshere the whole year, Vermaelen for 6 weeks, Mertesacker for 3 months, Arteta for the last 5 weeks, 5 fullbaks out all at the same time for like 5 weeks, Sagna with two broken legs).

Where as you guys are going to need a lot of things to go well for you if you're going to perform as you did last year. I can't remember any of your starters being out for a prolonged length of time (aside from King obviously, but he wasn't really a starter anyway).

The only reason you were so far out in front of us in the first place was because of Redknapp. That run and gun shit he had you guys going with was getting the best out of your players. Sure he overplayed them and they were fckd near the end, but if he hadn't played them pretty much every game then you wouldn't have had the start you did.

Anyway, I hope you guys have a decent year and finish above both Liverpool and Chelsea. I'm happy for you guys to end up anywhere you want, just as long as it's not above us :p

(sorry for the long post, at work and bored as shit)
 

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we're not going to get Falcao, Lloris or Mourtinho, not even on our radar atm (too expensive), and I hope we dont sign Ade, sorry but I just dont rate him

if you guys were after a Spanish wide player, Navas is the man, he's probably worth every bit of 15mill

good luck with Cavani but I just dont see him improving your squad
 

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we're not going to get Falcao, Lloris or Mourtinho, not even on our radar atm (too expensive), and I hope we dont sign Ade, sorry but I just dont rate him

if you guys were after a Spanish wide player, Navas is the man, he's probably worth every bit of 15mill

good luck with Cavani but I just dont see him improving your squad

We weren't after a wide player. We were after a central player. And we got one that can play both. If he wasn't trapped behind the two best midfielders of this generation he would be a regular for Spain in the middle.

You obviously know nothing about Cazorla so god knows why you continuously talk about him.

I can't even begin to imagine why you're talking about Cavani.
 

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With cazorla here, ramsey will return to form, arsenal can finally challenge on all fronts

I don't see how the two are linked.

An in form Ramsey isn't even close to how good Cazorla is. We don't have the depth to challange for all four comps so I can't see us making a deep run into the cups and still be doing well in the league.
 

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Ah ok. If you don't think Cazorla is going to improve us you either didn't see a single Arsenal game last season or you've never seen Cazorla play. Easily our weakest position last season was CAM, between Ramsey and Rosicky we had something shit like 3 goals and 8 assists in the league. For a team that has as much possession as we do and is attacking as often we are that's pathetic.

Here we go. I'll give you some perspective, here's the opinions of people who have no reason to say anything good about Cazorla (non Arsenal fans).

Taken from Redcafe:

He's the bees' knees. The only reason he doesn't play every game for Spain is Andres Iniesta. Fancy him most as an inside right, but he's more than comfortable in the middle.

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I rate him very highly. More than Mata for example and del Bosque seems to agree, putting Cazorla clearly ahead of Mata and only behind Iniesta in the pecking order for the left attacking midfield spot. He can play everywhere in offensive midfield and although I wouldn't disagree with Brwned that he's basically a Nasri type of player, he's also got more to his game than Nasri. Like Iniesta Cazorla can clearly dictate a game from deeper central positions as he did against Real Madrid here which someone like Nasri can't:



He also doesn't drift in and out of games as much as Nasri and he's not a dressing room poisoner. He's quite good at freekicks as well as prolific from open play. His defensive contribution is quite good for an attacking midfielder and his long balls are quite accurate. 2-footed as well and a good dribbler. He could easily be deployed alongside Carrick in a 2 man midfield and play the Scholes role. I would have liked to see him start even ahead of Silva at the Euros tbh with Silva being relatively disappointing throughout the tournament bar the first group game. After Iniesta he's the next best attack-minded Spanish midfielder currently in my book. He was the main reason for Malaga reaching a CL spot and sadly his departure was also one of the main reasons for Villarreal's relegation. If Arsenal get him and play 4-3-3 with Cazorla-Wilshere-Song they'll have the best central midfield in the Premier League as far as I'm concerned

Taken from a Spurs forum:

This guy would walk into our team and probably any team outside of the spanish big two, he played mainly as a RW for Villareal and was their best player in the season they got 4th, he then moved to Malaga who had finished 9th, a season later, Malaga were 4th and Villareal were relegated, I mean, there was other factors but still. He played as a CM mainly for Malaga, and on the few occasions he's played for spain he's played there as well, he's imo the best player in the league outside of the big 2, along with falcao, he's much more of a goal threat than modric, having scored 11 goals this season, the season before he had 7 goals and 15 assists from the wing. He's got a brilliant free-kick on him too, one of the best around, an area we're desperately poor in. For me, he'd pretty much be a dream signing, Would be an excellent replacement for modric who can also play on the wing, 2 birds with one stone, only concern is that the guy is a midget, smaller than luka even, I think he'd be fine but its a slight concern.

To be honest though I think too much is being made of malagas financial situation, they were taken over only last summer by filthy rich arabs and were meant to be a future force, they now have CL football as well, I just cant see them being poor.
 

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Haha, i didn't think it'd be long for you to come along.

You're not going to get Falcao. It's like Liverpool fans thinking they'll get Cavani.

You might get Damiao but you guys were talking about him in the Jan window saying he was close to signing and it never happened. So i'll believe that one when it happens.

Nope, you're right. Sigurdson was great last season, i'm not going to dispute you on that. I was just replying to Twizzle who seems to think a players quality is proportional to who they are linked with. If it wasn't for you guys Sig would've signed for Liverpool, they're pretty much midtable these days. And not too concerned about Vertonghen. If we wanted him we would have got him years ago.

You're welcome to any of those signings. Adebayor will try for 6 months of the season and lose focus like he did last season/every season and there's a reason Lloris is worth a third of what he once was. Granted I know f**k all about Moutinho, but i think i'm safe in assuming he's not as good as Modric.

Everyone knows you're not done with your spending. But there's what? 9-10 days till the season starts, and you have no recognized strikers? Better get a move on.

I don't expect Van Persie to stay. But we've signed two decent strikers as well as a CAM who will create triple the chances that muppet Ramsey produced. A shit load of things will have to go wrong for us to perform as badly as we did last season. I can't see us repeating the start we had, even if RvP and Theo leave, and i know Arsenal fans say this every season but surely we can't be hit as badly with injuries as we were last year, (Wilshere the whole year, Vermaelen for 6 weeks, Mertesacker for 3 months, Arteta for the last 5 weeks, 5 fullbaks out all at the same time for like 5 weeks, Sagna with two broken legs).

Where as you guys are going to need a lot of things to go well for you if you're going to perform as you did last year. I can't remember any of your starters being out for a prolonged length of time (aside from King obviously, but he wasn't really a starter anyway).

The only reason you were so far out in front of us in the first place was because of Redknapp. That run and gun shit he had you guys going with was getting the best out of your players. Sure he overplayed them and they were fckd near the end, but if he hadn't played them pretty much every game then you wouldn't have had the start you did.

Anyway, I hope you guys have a decent year and finish above both Liverpool and Chelsea. I'm happy for you guys to end up anywhere you want, just as long as it's not above us :p

(sorry for the long post, at work and bored as shit)

:D I know we won't get Falcao, it's just clear that we have really high targets when we actually did inquire about him. I think Leandro keeps stalling because Inter are playing hard-ball, that and Leandro's value keeps rising, which doesn't suit Levy. I think Levy is going to pay for not being more aggressive on this front; we seem likely to get him, but as you say, it's been that way for a while. No doubt he'd be a massive signing though. I don't know how he would cope at first but the potential is there.

Ah I see, my bad. That's what gets me about Adebayor, he played badly for half of the season and yet still had the superb statistics that he did. I'd take him back in a heart-beat, our main issue when he dropped out of form was that no-one could really fill his role in the team as the front-man. If we get both him and Leandro, we shouldn't have that particular problem at least. As far as Moutinho goes, he's similar to Modric in the sense that he works his butt off. He's a much better defender though, but still a great playmaker. He's not as good as Modric but he's not too far off.

You're right, there's been a lot of hallabuloo with us this transfer window. New manager, Levy attending to his ill wife, etc. Crazy couple of months. I don't expect to Arsenal to start that way again, but in saying that if RVP does leave even with the new additions and - yes, booting Ramsey out - so on, I think you guys will be a little worse off in the goals department. You've bought players that can certainly pick up the slack, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Arsenal perform better without him.

Yeah we weren't hit that badly with injuries as your lot was. Huddlestone missed the season, Dawson missed most of the season, Lennon missed about half the season, Bale/VDV/Walker and a few others would have a few weeks on the sidelines every so often. I'm not sure how I rate us for this season - I have absolutely no idea how much of an impact AVB will have. He could turn out to be the messiah and guide us to the top four again. He could fail and we have to settle for mid-table. I know that his style of play suits us far better than it did Chelsea. All I know is that Bale is already switched on in the pre-season, which is a bloody good sign.

As far as Redknapp goes, the missteps I am talking about relate more to the FA and him wanting to get the England job. It's been talked about quite a bit by Spurs fans, I am not sure as to the validity but it seems pretty accurate. Apparently, he wasn't attending training sessions, wasn't even really involving himself with the squad, was constantly harping on about the new job he wanted. That and his tactics were absolute tripe; as much as Bale looked good whilst doing it, he should never have been taken off of his left wing. It usually resulted in Assou-Ekotto being exposed, Bale not providing effective contributions and our team suffering because our players were getting the ball in bad areas. It was too late before Redknapp realized Sandro's value - I agree about the constant XI thing to an extent, but there's no doubt Redknapp had equally capable substitutes for players like Parker, VDV, Walker, Lennon and co. Most of our squad was completely alienated by him throughout the season, and even our first XI suffered because of his antics around January-February. When Kranjcar, Dos Santos and co were eventually called up, they looked disinterested - much like Harry himself. He sent out a lot of our good bench/rotation players on loan that could have helped us out greatly, and instead of going for younger targets with the money he had instead went for bargain buys like Saha and Nelsen.

Rant over lol. Don't be mistaken though, I definitely see the good Redknapp did. But he and he alone really screwed up our chance of finishing third. Of course though, he's the one that is very much responsible for having gotten us to that position in the first place. At the moment, I'm reserved about AVB - he could do a better job, and he certainly is getting the resources to do it.

Same to you mate, I am still underneath an Arsenal fan (my grandparents both lived in North London, one was an Arsenal fan, the other a Tottenham fan, I'm mostly Tottenham but partly Arsenal) and I've always got a soft spot for them. Doesn't mean the rivalry doesn't get me up though haha. I'm happy to finish fourth as long as a repeat of last season doesn't happen with the scum.

we're not going to get Falcao, Lloris or Mourtinho, not even on our radar atm (too expensive), and I hope we dont sign Ade, sorry but I just dont rate him

if you guys were after a Spanish wide player, Navas is the man, he's probably worth every bit of 15mill

good luck with Cavani but I just dont see him improving your squad

Depends on who you listen to. Mountinho I see as a lost cause, I didn't say we were actually going to have any chance at Falcao - everyone and their dog knew that lol. You don't rate Adebayor? That's fair enough and all, but he was still one of the best strikers in the league last season. I don't think he's worth the trouble we are being put through though.

I disagree Twiz, Cazorla is an excellent player. What TB is saying about being stuck behind class players is pretty accurate. If it weren't for Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Alonso, Silva....etc, lol.
 

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I disagree Twiz, Cazorla is an excellent player. What TB is saying about being stuck behind class players is pretty accurate. If it weren't for Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Alonso, Silva....etc, lol.

Bout to head out so i'll reply to the whole thing later but thought i'd say something about this.

All of those players would walk into any teams in the world. It says more about Spain then it does about Cazorla that he behind those players.

It's not like he never plays though. He played all (i think), off the bench, of Spain's game at Euro 2008, missed the 2010 World Cup through injury and got picked but didn't play much of this years Euro's. He's still played close to 50 games for them since 2008.

I knew a Real Madrid fan would know how good Cazorla is haha. He played awesome in both games against you last season apparently. He got an injury time free kick to tie the first game up didn't he?
 
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