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Luke Lewis Reported To Leave... Again

Miller was a legend

Miller was a legend

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No need Mick. I do feel for you fella's.

I know it doesn't mean much, but I really hope this all turns into something great for the Pennies.
 
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Big Mick said:
And Elliot had a plethora of promising juniors to develop and developed exactly f**k all.

Cleary put in structures at the Warriors to have the under 20's and then developed them to perfection ready for first grade when they first came in.

If it wasn't for his guidance those guys wouldn't have progressed anywhere.

What great signings? Lilyman was noone when he signed there, neither was Luck. Both flourished under him. Steve Price?...yeah maybe...Brent Tate was always injured...Maloney was a reserve grader at the Storm and Seymour was a reserve grader at the Sharks.

I'm curius as to who were these great signings that were made? Or are you just looking at the result...and saying that they are great signings.

We've already seen this year the change in our junior structure has reaped rewards. In 1-2 years these under 20's guys will be ready to contribute on a regular basis LIKE he did at the Warriors.

People seriously don't remember that for the prior two years the only young guy to debut for us was freakin Fatiaki....how many young kids have we used so far this year? Guys that Gould and Cleary SCOUTED and brought in cheap because we had salary cap constraints and have proven with development to be pretty good players.

Elliot had his freakin chance to put his structures in place...had a "warchest" and did sweet f**k all with the opportunity.

Gould/Cleary have come in...brought in young guys to compete, improved the lower grades, identified areas of weakness in the team and are focusing on improving them. We've signed four guys in their prime in the middle of the season that want to come here and play under Cleary...and people think Cleary is shit? Yeah Elliot had that sort of pull...getting us Adrian Purtell ffs.

Tough decisions needed to be made and they were made. Losing Flash and Lewis hurts...but it doesn't hurt as much as losing Alexander and Geyer did. It doesn't hurt as much as Ben Alexander passing away. It doesn't hurt as much as 1990 grand final loss.

We need to move on as a club and I definitely trust that based on the results we've seen as a CLUB this year...that we are heading in the right direction.

So the people who are posting pictures on social media outlets of taking their jersey's to the tip, to the people saying they are no longer supporters...good...f**k off. We don't want or need shit like that. And don't give me the "A real supporter can criticise too" bullshit. Yes...you can criticise...but at least stick solid and don't pick up your bat and ball and run to another team. That's just soft. Because all you were looking for was a freakin excuse. And the funny thing is you'll be helping the club you hate now in two years when you have to buy a new jersey because you were too stupid to throw it out at the tip to make a stupid point about a player wanting to move on because they've been here for 11 years in First Grade.
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I notice you mention Elliott but not Leary or the board? Does Cleary set up Juniors or Gus??

1 of the main reasons I wanted to Board gone was the lack of funding to the juniors.

So Cleary hasn't done any strange coaching decisions??

So Fatiaki was the only Junior to debut. We were terrible. Matt Wright was also in that same junior rep team like most he went elsewhere. That's management.

I am glad Elliott's gone should of been 2 years sooner. It can't be Gould/Cleary and Elliott. Elliott had an offsider who more useless then words describe. Seriously look at the money we have average players getting that's all management.


As for those 'fans' We have the smallest hard core fans in world sport. About 5k. The rest take a passing interest or follow certain players. It was always going to happen. We lost to 2 most favourite players by fans.
Some will comeback. Some new fans will come sadly it's nothing new for the club
 
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Big Mick

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I mention Elliot because there was specific mention of the coach. No other reason.

Elliot and Leary were at the hip and both were gone two years too late.

And Franklin did I say that Cleary is perfect? hell no...yeah he made some interesting moves but f**k...name me a coach who hasn't. I'd prefer him to Elliot any day of the blood week. And I prefer Gould over Leary any day of the week.

Both are clear upgrades.
 
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franklin2323

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Fair enough. We need to keep the juniors good & keep them. Given about 3 from NYC make it long term we need atleast good juniors every 2nd year. That was the biggest mistake those 2 clowns made. We still have holes in the roster and will be light for leadership when Kingston & Grant's off. I good base to work from.
 
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I see it as the ideal time for a young player to step up into a leadership role.

Tim Grant has, and that is fantastic. But lets see what VTK has got, Harry Seijka etc.

It is time for young leadership...and I think this will give us the opportunity to do so.
 
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darkbloom

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Big Mick said:
I mention Elliot because there was specific mention of the coach. No other reason.

Elliot and Leary were at the hip and both were gone two years too late.

And Franklin did I say that Cleary is perfect? hell no...yeah he made some interesting moves but f**k...name me a coach who hasn't. I'd prefer him to Elliot any day of the blood week. And I prefer Gould over Leary any day of the week.

Both are clear upgrades.
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Elliot and Leary hated each other. If not for the Board rejecting Leary's recommendation to dismiss Elliot, Elliot would have been gone 2 years earlier.
 
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darkbloom said:
Elliot and Leary hated each other. If not for the Board rejecting Leary's recommendation to dismiss Elliot, Elliot would have been gone 2 years earlier.
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Doesn't mean they were not joined at the hip or consulted each other on player recruitment and retention.
 
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darkbloom

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herbert henry1908 said:
Just because they hated each other doesn't mean they both didn't make bad decsions for the club.
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Everyone makes bad decisions at times. Even the great Gus makes bad decisions.

But a monumental one was made by the Board to deny Leary's recommendation.

And Mick I don't think anyone in their right might would refer to any communication between Leary & Elliot as being consulting with each other. They worked against each other.

To put it in the words recently used - they had different goals to each other.

You must have a different interpretation of the meaning of joined at the hip. I think it means they were in concordance, working together to achieve the same ends. Your view is just as valid.

The end point is that they worked against each other, therefore not for the club, and the Board was equally culpable as them both for not resolving the issue and allowing it to fester for 2 more years.
 
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Just want to wish the Panthers all the best. If Cronulla folded or no longer existed, I would follow the Panthers - possibly the 1967 connection and of course the Cronulla connection in the Panthers GF victory.

May I say to you all that despite the loss of an outstanding footballer and role model, no player is bigger than the club.

I am not suggesting LL has caused an issues or is the problem, but a club is made of many people.

Success in footy starts from the front office.

I do have a concern though regarding Phil Gould. My understanding was that Gould was employed by Penrith to "fight the real war against the AFL and ensure that RL grows in the west". That issue has really died down and now the focus is within the club and the ability to re-build. Whilst he is a great mouthpiece for the fight against the AFL, I am not sure he has the business accuman to really drive the Panthers into a new era.
 
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So Darkbloom...you want me to believe that Leary would sign players to make Elliot look bad..or Elliot would sign guys, who he didn't have the authority to sign, without telling Leary about it?
 
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I will try & find the story. There was newspaper reports of them being at loggerheads about recruitment & retention. It was when Lewis & Smith agreed to go elsewhere. Elliott said he wanted them pre-season as they were must keeps.

Leary said he knew what they were worth & wasn't paying extra for them. Leary was just useless. Even Elliott knew that. It's about the only thing he was right about. Look at the problems we are just finding out now. The contracts Leary. The poor player development Elliott.
 
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darkbloom

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Big Mick said:
So Darkbloom...you want me to believe that Leary would sign players to make Elliot look bad..or Elliot would sign guys, who he didn't have the authority to sign, without telling Leary about it?
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No. No person would do that. Bt there were decisions made by both that were based on their personal dislike for each other rather than for the benefit of the club.

I assume your response is meant it to be dismissive - it is the response of simpleton from someone who is not a simpleton.

What I said was that they were at war with each other. Not joined at the hip. Their war with each other was severely damaging for the club. Had they been joined at the hip things might have been different.

You reckon they were joined at the hip but they were not. They were a long way from that. I can't see why you can't accept that. You may accuse Leary of a lot of things but being attached to Elliot is not one of them.
 
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Fibroman

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I've got a feeling we are freeing up cash to sign a couple of quality established players, promising juniors from other clubs and retain our best juniors.

I think as fans we need to be prepared to write off this season and next year as well.

Fingers crossed Gus and Cleary have a medium to long term plan in place.
 
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Fibroman said:
I've got a feeling we are freeing up cash to sign a couple of quality established players, promising juniors from other clubs and retain our best juniors.

I think as fans we need to be prepared to write off this season and next year as well.

Fingers crossed Gus and Cleary have a medium to long term plan in place.
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Gus said 6-8 NYC players in the squad 2014. The problem is only 2-3 make it per team on average. Look at NYC team of the year 2010. more then 1/2 aren't playing regular NRL. So not all will be any good. We need another plan as well.
 
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